All right .. posing hypothesis on a topic
.. so she initiated an hypothesis along with dr. Cook.,
Is that what your point is ?? for that she should be called as believer ? and you appears to be using it as derogatory term very regularly
All the scholarship which has light the fire after Hagarism and Meccan trade. Posing an hypothese in this topic is considered as insupportable.
That is why she has fled to Princeton. Academia is your friend.
no.. no..noo.no dear Altara., no one is my friend and no one is my enemy
when it comes to historical truth and historical facts.. I am friend of facts and truth ., and and YOU ARE VERY WRONG saying she fled to Princeton., why would you say that??
Posing an hypothese in this topic is considered as
insupportable. And it makes the buzz.
what do you mean by "insupportable" ?? it is hypothese ....it is HYPO-THESIS ., it is an idea to be explored ., it is supposed to be investigated., and to be proved whether it is right or wrong . You know that ., that is how modern scholarship works in every field of investigation.
They were "popular" because they raised an hypothese.
well., no one becomes popular just by raising an hypothesis ., for e.g If I hypothesize "i could fly Altara to moon without spacecraft ..without body just by sending first his soul to moon and then rise him as Altara with the body built from moon dust "
NO ONE CARES ., at best my near and dear will send me to mental hospital .,.... lol....
So there must be something in that booklet .. whether you call it as hypothesis or convulsed ..plain..simple concept ., WHAT IS IT??
But, for me, she is a
(to the traditional narrative) as she does not put aside the "Muhammad" narrative, as she instant identifies him as the "false prophet has appeared among the Saracens ... They say that the prophet has appeared coming with the Saracens, and is proclaiming the advent of the anointed one who is to come."
From this moment (this identification between "Muhammad" and the "false prophet has appeared among the Saracens")
there is no explanation possible about the emergence of the Quran. Why, Simply because one will be always obliged to put "Muhammad"somewhere with necessarily the all traditional narrative (Mecca/Zem zem). There is no start again as she said.Besides, Crone is wrong,
like all the scholarship which, like her, identifies "the prophet has appeared coming with the Saracens, and is proclaiming the advent of the anointed one" to Muhammad.
There is no "advent of the anointed one" announcement in the Quran.
Ok., you mean to say ....she was wrong w.r.t Muhammad
and she was wrong w.r.t appearance of new prophet
.. and she was wrong in her scholarship and identifying "the prophet has appeared coming with the Saracens, and is proclaiming the advent of the anointed one" to Muhammad.
well then IT IS GOOD THING FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND OTHERS
., you have something original to write , to explore, to explain on the history of Islam ., one person can not do everything .. specially on a subject like Islam .. where anyone and every one who questions/questioned were murdered out-rightly .. whether Muslims or non-Muslims
Look dear Altara ., one must give the credit for what she did .. see this
HAGARISM _ THE MAKING OF THE
Patricia Crone & Michael Cook
PATRICIA CRONE _SENIOR RESEARCH FELLOW. THE WARBURG INSTITUTE
UNIVERSITY OF LONDON
LECTURER IN ECONOMIC HISTORY WITH REFERENCE
TO THE MIDDLE EAST.
SCHOOL OF ORIENTAL AND AFRICAN STUDIES
that booklet (NOT BOOK) is published in 1977... 40 years ago ....
in 1977 when she & Cook published it., she was NOTHING
.....if she did not move out of London, she would have been dead in 1980s in London., As far as moving to Princeton., well., she got well paid good position so she moved ., That is how Americans attracted intelligent folks ...all the way until the year 2000 or so
Here is short stuff for you ., her student wrote
. please read it https://www.academia.edu/31017984/Patricia_Crone_a_students_view
I wish my students could write something like that after my death