Yeezevee question was not about the item you are mentionning and I only replied to his question ;
the controversy you are trying to raise is off topic (as usual).
No...no..nooo. the question I raised and posts you & Altara responding are WITHIN THE TOPIC
dear Marc., let me explain you "how it is so" ., True ..I did ask you questions ..
I know you are heckling Altara dear Marc ... mutli laugh emoticon ... I am just saying "every deduction is unsatisfactory and questionable"
and that goes to you ,,Gallez,,, and many others even to late Patricia crone.,
I also said .........please post that response in folders i mentioned above .. but you choose to respond in this folder*(THAT IS OK) but but you answered vaguely ..
the question was about Muhammad Prophet of Islam and his personal life .. but what you said here was this
Let me clarify : I believe that the prophet figure was built by :
- taking things from living persons at the time i.e. the Aisha story must have derived from a caliph who wanted to have sexual relationship with under-age girls,
- traits of Jewish prophets were also used to build that prophetic figure of Muhammad ; the healing performed on one of his companion who had his eye popping out of his socket at the battle of Uhud looks like Jesus' healings abilities (though at the same battle, Muhammad was unable to heal his own forehead wound .....many lols....)
which essentially tells me that .."PROPHET OF ISLAM THAT IS DEPICTED BY EARLY HISTORIANS(ISLAMIC OR NON ISLAMIC
) DID NOT EXIST.., which is similar to what Altara saying .,
but then here you said
I will repeat : ..........even people who admit Muhammad existed (and here I am of course not referring to muslim believers but academic scholars of Islam ) admit to the fact that his story as told by muslim tradition is mostly legendary...... (so no revelation from an angel, no putting back an eye in its socket, no stopping of the course of the moon, no supply of water from a rock,etc,etc,etc). ....
see there you are evading the point about "Historical Muhammad figure "
.. and saying
............even academic scholars of Islam who admit Muhammad existed
admit to the fact that his story as told by muslim tradition is mostly legendary...... (so no revelation from an angel, no putting back an eye in its socket, no stopping of the course of the moon, no supply of water from a rock,etc,etc,etc). .........
I mean common if academic scholars believe that Voodoo stuff ...........angels, eye in its socket, moon breaking .. flying night journey on Barak ... CLEARLY THEY ARE STUPIDS.......... you can not call them as scholars .,
don't you think you are off the topic there?? All this discussion is about.... "EARLY ISLAMIC HISTORY STARTING FROM PROPHET OF ISLAM"
So if you don't believe Muhammad ..Prophet of Islam existed .....then ....
why you bring Non Muslim Historians such as Sebeos that 7th-century Armenian bishop and historian mentioning name "Muhammd" on to the table in your posts ??
Anyways.., So Marc., againYou too do not believe in a person "Muhammad.. Prophet of Islam "
that is depicted in Quran as well as in Haidth did exit....
in other words "Muhammad(PBUH) was a figure head of Islam did not exist as person but a story"
.. that is what you believe.... right??
Again please correct me If understood your posts wrong........