What.................? let me strip Altara post.. He is mixing apples and oranges .. No..no.. FRUITS AND MEAT
Both of you guys (
Yeez and Mahgraye...) take seriously and personally something that they should not. It is normal, as the general topic is very near them (Islam, Allah, whatever...)
dear Altara., WHAT YOU SAID ABOVE IS ABSOLUTE RUBBISH w.r.t yeezevee., don't mix my views on Islam for that matter any views of me on any faith faith with the views of Mahgraye.., I AM NOT A FAITH HEAD
Some one used to call me mullah yeezevee on these forums., now you are saying I am believer of Islam, Allah, whatever., anyway what you said below with reference to Crone is different. so I address it separately
Nobody here engage personally Crone. I engage her in her scholarly position, nothing else. Accessory also about what is said/thought about her by almost all scholarship and regularly stated by guys like Pregill. Crone has become the pope of scepticism whereas she was not or on accessory details which do not question anything :
-He preached the return of the Messiah :detail : Doctrina Jacobi
-He allied with Jews :detail : Sebeos
-He sought the Holy Land:detail : Doctrina Jacobi
Those are details and do not question the master narrative.
I do not call this "scepticism" "revisionism" or whatever.
Wansbrough is the only one in the field but as his access is difficult... it is far more easy to attack Crone. Issue is that she was not what they say. I consider this awful, unjust, wrong and scholarly inexact as the list above evidences it.
Those words needs detailed rebuttal. so i will postpone and respond at later times ., So I delete all of your post ..lol.. again DONOT MIX WHAT OTHERS LIKE Pregill THINKS ABOUT WHAT SHE WAS....
she never said she was pope of Islam skepticism .,And why are you so jealous of her work on ""Hagarism""?
Is it because she was the first one to say that ORIGINS IF ISLAM IS NOTHING T DO WITH MECCA MADNA ZAM ZAM .. YOUR MECCA MUHAMMAD ZAM ZAM SONG??..
And why do you expect her to solve all problems of origins of Islam?