what are you saying Mahgraye ? why Mahgraye ? why there is`NO PROGRESS in your thinking on early Islam and origins of Islam dear Mahgraye ??
Altara is really going against established knowledge.... everyone is literally wrong
what Altara doing is a good thing., that is exactly what is needed to crack the codes dear Mahgraye ., You are right.. i am right everyone is right is not the way
dear Mahgraye,, Fields gets stagnated and no progress will be made in any field by no questioning and by stagnation ...
did not know hagarims was
majmu3 al-fatawa by ibn taymiyya... again, alatara comes decades later when he has access to new materail and hypothesis and ergo comlains that hagarism was not revisionis enought. in hagarism, crone & cook proposed a marwanid era redaction, and granted, they did not discuss the quran. crone did that later on.
revisonism started in the 70s by Luling, Wansbrough, and Crone & Cook. end of story. this is descriptive and not semantics. a
nd yeah, azami was not a traditionist....
ibn taymiyya ?? who?? this guy?
Ibn Taymiyyah, in full Taqī al-Dīn Abū al-ʿAbbās Aḥmad ibn ʿAbd al-Salām ibn ʿAbd Allāh ibn Muḥammad ibn Taymiyyah, (born 1263, Harran, Mesopotamia—died September 26, 1328, Damascus, Syria), one of Islam’s most forceful theologians, who, as a member of the Pietist school founded by Ibn Ḥanbal, sought the return of the Islamic religion to its sources: the Qurʾān and the sunnah, revealed writing and the prophetic tradition. He is also the source of the Wahhābiyyah, a mid-18th-century traditionalist movement of Islam.
marwanid era redaction,?? what?.... are you talking about these guys??
The Marwanids (990–1085) he Kurdish Muslim dynasty in the Diyar Bakr region of Upper Mesopotamia (present day northern Iraq/southeastern Turkey) and Armenia,
what azami ?? what not a traditionalist?? which Azami?? who?? are you talking about this guy..
Muhammad Mustafa Al-A'zami (Arabic: محمد مصطفى الأعظمي) was a contemporary hadith scholar ..
He was born in Mau, India in the early part of the year1930
Al-A'zami received his education successively at Darul Uloom Deoband (1952), Al-Azhar University (M.A., 1955), and the University of Cambridge in the United Kingdom (Ph.D., 1966).
He is Professor Emeritus at King Saud University where he also chaired the department of Islamic Studies. Al-A'zami served as curator of the National Public Library of Qatar, Associate Professor at Umm al-Qura University, Visiting Scholar at the University of Michigan (Ann Arbor), Visiting Fellow at St Cross College, Oxford, King Faisal Visiting Professor for Islamic Studies at Princeton University, and Visiting Scholar at the University of Colorado at Boulder. He is also an Honorary Fellow in Islamic Studies at the University of Wales, Trinity Saint David
. why are you talking about these guys?? Why are you going in to history some 600..700..1000 years after that book Quran""??