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  • The whole 'thighing thing' - what is the consensus on this?
     OP - October 11, 2014, 08:13 PM

    I've seen it written and talked about in a few places, and there have been a few fatwas passed by some rather unorthodox clerics claiming that in the 3 years between the initial engagement to Aisha and the consumation, Muhammad used to rub his penis on the inside of her thighs to gain sexual pleasure, and thusly, this is halal.

    I've never seen this cited from an actual hadith, so, I'm guessing bullshit, right?
  • The whole 'thighing thing' - what is the consensus on this?
     Reply #1 - October 11, 2014, 08:21 PM

    Disgusting. I can't imagine little girl being in such a situation.
  • The whole 'thighing thing' - what is the consensus on this?
     Reply #2 - October 11, 2014, 08:42 PM

    I've seen it written and talked about in a few places, and there have been a few fatwas passed by some rather unorthodox clerics claiming that in the 3 years between the initial engagement to Aisha and the consumation, Muhammad used to rub his penis on the inside of her thighs to gain sexual pleasure, and thusly, this is halal.

    I've never seen this cited from an actual hadith, so, I'm guessing bullshit, right?

    Hello Gunner.,  Off course it is bullshit .,because whichever orifice it came from  all hadith is bullshit.  Actually it is a shit from that hole  Just shit..... Rascals had too much bacteria in their mouths and brain  when they wrote that shit..

    Who is Aisha anyways? I didn't see her name in Quran.. .  well let me watch Ghada Jamshir  

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hth0YiPhcCE
     
    Mufakhathat ....Mufakhathat .. fucking shit.. Idiots..  AT-TALAQ (DIVORCE) .. Surah stupid Talaq...

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    065.004
    YUSUFALI: Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy.

    PICKTHAL: And for such of your women as despair of menstruation, if ye doubt, their period (of waiting) shall be three months, along with those who have it not. And for those with child, their period shall be till they bring forth their burden. And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah, He maketh his course easy for him.

    SHAKIR: And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, and of those too who have not had their courses; and (as for) the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of (his duty to) Allah He will make easy for him his affair.

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    65.4. Those of your women who have passed the age of monthly courses (or those who for some reason do not have monthly periods) – if you are in uncertainty about it – their waiting-period is three (lunar) months. As for the women who are pregnant (whether divorced or widows), their waiting-period is until they deliver their burden. Whoever keeps from disobedience to God in reverence for Him and piety, He makes his affair easy for him.

    وَاللَّائِي يَئِسْنَ مِنَ الْمَحِيضِ مِن نِّسَائِكُمْ إِنِ ارْتَبْتُمْ فَعِدَّتُهُنَّ ثَلَاثَةُ أَشْهُرٍ وَاللَّائِي لَمْ يَحِضْنَ وَأُوْلَاتُ الْأَحْمَالِ أَجَلُهُنَّ أَن يَضَعْنَ حَمْلَهُنَّ وَمَن يَتَّقِ اللَّهَ يَجْعَل لَّهُ مِنْ أَمْرِهِ يُسْراً

    4. Those of your women who have passed the age of monthly courses (or those who for some reason do not have monthly periods) – if you are in uncertainty about it – their waiting-period is three (lunar) months. As for the women who are pregnant (whether divorced or widows), their waiting-period is until they deliver their burden. Whoever keeps from disobedience to God in reverence for Him and piety, He makes his affair easy for him.

    why do these IDIOTS OF QURAN put the shit in the brackets? Add that silly verse to this Bullshit you see down ., SO CALLED HADITH .. then you have the whole society with potbelly pigs preaching and doing all sorts of criminal activities in the name of Islam  and  in the name of following prophet of Islam's footsteps..



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    Volume 7, Book 62, Number 17:

        Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

        When I got married, Allah's Apostle said to me, "What type of lady have you married?" I replied, "I have married a matron' He said, "Why, don't you have a liking for the virgins and for fondling them?" Jabir also said: Allah's Apostle said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you might play with her and she with you?'


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    Volume 1, Book 6, Number 298:

        Narrated 'Aisha:

        The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).


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    Volume 1, Book 4, Number 231:

        Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:

        I asked 'Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. "


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    Volume 1, Book 5, Number 268:

        Narrated Qatada:

        Anas bin Malik said, "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet the strength for it?" Anas replied, "We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa'id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven).


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    Volume 7, Book 62, Number 142:

        Narrated Anas bin Malik:

        The Prophet used to pass by (have sexual relation with) all his wives in one night, and at that time he had nine wives.


    but i don't see any of that thing in Quran  Huh?  ...

    Anyways .. in the time and days of hadith revelations clearly there was some Rascal or RASCALS  who took the name "Muhammad"  did all sorts of horrible things.   Criminal ROGUES OF ISLAM were there in the beginning of Islam and they are there even today.    These idiots s still walk around preaching such thighing  Islam in Mosques.

    But dear Gunner., I wonder whether you could tell me who wrote hadith and when??

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  • The whole 'thighing thing' - what is the consensus on this?
     Reply #3 - October 12, 2014, 09:42 AM

    I've seen it written and talked about in a few places, and there have been a few fatwas passed by some rather unorthodox clerics claiming that in the 3 years between the initial engagement to Aisha and the consumation, Muhammad used to rub his penis on the inside of her thighs to gain sexual pleasure, and thusly, this is halal.


    A pedophile molested a child, and thus it is acceptable.

    What the fuck is wrong with people?

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    And he's the mother of grief
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  • The whole 'thighing thing' - what is the consensus on this?
     Reply #4 - October 12, 2014, 09:45 AM

    I'd go more with Mo being a hebephilia, or ephebophilia, whichever wording you prefer.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • The whole 'thighing thing' - what is the consensus on this?
     Reply #5 - October 12, 2014, 09:49 AM

    Hmm, thinking about some of the hadiths actually makes me wonder if he had paraphilia tendencies.

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    A paraphilia, for the record -- whether we're talking about pedophilia, zoophilia, coprophilia or any other -- is clinically defined as a persistent, pervasive and often exclusive sexual fantasy, urge or behavior. Most paraphilias involve objects of those attractions or behaviors which are inanimate, nonconsenting or unable to fully, clearly or informedly consent or which involve distress, humiliation or suffering on someone's part.


    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • The whole 'thighing thing' - what is the consensus on this?
     Reply #6 - October 12, 2014, 10:29 AM

    It is totally halal:

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    I affirm that. It’s quite public knowledge among Iranians. The translation is accurate, although it misses some graphic details, I guess because the translator didn’t want to be arrested for child (infant) pornography. Yes, the translation actually waters down what Khomeini has said. But I’m inside Iran and outside the reach of FBI, so here’s the real quote in its full whatever the opposite of glory is:
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    Whoever has a wife under nine years old cannot penetrate her, whether she is his permanent wife or his temporary wife. But other forms of sexual pleasure are allowed, such as lustful touching, embracing, or rubbing the penis on the thigh of the girl, even if she is an infant still.And if the baby’s vagina is so badly damaged that the bladder and urethra ‘become the same’ when he penetrates her before she is nine years old, and her hymen is not broken, he has only sinned. If he has only sinned, but if he has broken her hymen, then she will be forbidden to him forever., and [he has to pay for her her entire life (I summarized here)].



    Good stuff by Kaved Mousavi in Iran:

    Yes, Khomeini Has Really Endorsed Pedophilia

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  • The whole 'thighing thing' - what is the consensus on this?
     Reply #7 - October 12, 2014, 10:49 AM

    From a Sunni viewpoint:

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    Bismillaah

    I was asked by a brother whether or not it is true that Shi’ite men are allowed to derive sexual pleasure from infant children, and even new-born babies, by fondling them or rubbing their genitals on them. I told him that I would post about this issue soon, so this post of mine is about that topic.

    Yes, this is indeed permissible for Shi’ites. But I warn my brother from the Ahlus Sunnah to not rush to condemn the Shi’ites for this moral depravity, since I’ve looked in our own texts and I could not find any rules in the works of jurisprudence of all the madhabs that forbid such behavior. And since deriving sexual pleasure from your wives or female slaves is generally permissible in Islam, and only sexual intercourse is prohibited before the age of maturity (typically at 9 years), it appears that the act of lustful fondling and thighing infant wives may be permissible for us as well.

    So if we condemn the Shi’ites for these hideously immoral laws, and it turns out that they are permissible in our faith as well, then obviously they cannot be immoral since our religion allows them, so we will have to walk back our previous comments to the Shi’ites, which might be a little embarrassing for us. So take heed!


    From the Islamic Virtues web site:
    Deriving Sexual Pleasure from Infants

    He goes on to show some fatwas including from Al-Sistani[/i] making it perfectly allowable and then ends with this:

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    So hopefully that answers the question. Again I must warn the brothers to be careful in this regard, since this immoral law might be permissible in our faith as well, which would make it completely, 100% moral. So do not rush to judgments too quickly. And, indeed, Allaah is the best of Helper and the best of Guides.


    Fighting pedophilia is fighting Islam. That's racist!

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  • The whole 'thighing thing' - what is the consensus on this?
     Reply #8 - October 12, 2014, 10:55 AM

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    this immoral law might be permissible in our faith as well, which would make it completely, 100% moral

    I read things like that and all I can think is that islam is the greatest mass murderer of our own innate sense of right and wrong, the greatest lasting act of butchery and rape of the moral compass to perverse the collective soul of humanity I have ever come across.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • The whole 'thighing thing' - what is the consensus on this?
     Reply #9 - October 12, 2014, 10:58 AM

    ^That is incredilby disgusting  :(
  • The whole 'thighing thing' - what is the consensus on this?
     Reply #10 - October 12, 2014, 11:12 AM

    The sad thing is it doesn't surprise me. You raise a child from birth, retard their own moral growth by denying they can have their own sense of morality, that they can't develop and grow and evolve, and drill it into them you can't trust your own judgement. So you have adults who can't function as human beings in the modern world, convinced if they follow their own conscience they'll be tortured for all eternity. In fact it goes beyond that. They can't even have their own conscience, all they can do is check the rule book. It's sick and evil. But of course saying that would be islamophobic. Smiley

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • The whole 'thighing thing' - what is the consensus on this?
     Reply #11 - October 12, 2014, 11:13 AM

    http://islamicvirtues.com/

    islamicvirtues.comon  on deriving-sexual-pleasure-from-infants

    In certain aspects of Islam., these  baboons,   shia mulahs , sistans., Ayatullahs and ASS HOLES of Iran are worse than Sunni baboons. Educated shia Muslims folks whenever they read such bullshit  should  clean shave these scoundrels  and put them under burkha until they start learning to use the commonsense   that is built in to them.  

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • The whole 'thighing thing' - what is the consensus on this?
     Reply #12 - October 12, 2014, 01:06 PM

    "I’ve looked in our own texts and I could not find any rules in the works of jurisprudence of all the madhabs that forbid such behavior. And since deriving sexual pleasure from your wives or female slaves is generally permissible in Islam, and only sexual intercourse is prohibited before the age of maturity (typically at 9 years), it appears that the act of lustful fondling and thighing infant wives may be permissible for us as well"

    This is terrifying. Just because quran or hadith doesn't say molesting a child is a sin, just because of that it is moral??? What the fuck?! Doesn't muslims have their own sense of what is good and what is bad? This is really sickening... And they say atheists have no morality...
  • The whole 'thighing thing' - what is the consensus on this?
     Reply #13 - October 12, 2014, 01:08 PM

    You used to be one, you should know the mentality. Though let's be fair, it's only going to be the most extreme muslim who would follow this today.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • The whole 'thighing thing' - what is the consensus on this?
     Reply #14 - October 12, 2014, 01:13 PM

    "this immoral law might be permissible in our faith as well, which would make it completely, 100% moral"

    Sickening 'logic'.
  • The whole 'thighing thing' - what is the consensus on this?
     Reply #15 - October 12, 2014, 01:14 PM

    Doesn't muslims have their own sense of what is good and what is bad?

    It's called the whispers of the Shaytan trying to turn you against allah.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • The whole 'thighing thing' - what is the consensus on this?
     Reply #16 - October 12, 2014, 01:15 PM

    You used to be one, you should know the mentality. Though let's be fair, it's only going to be the most extreme muslim who would follow this today.

    The thing is, even as a muslim i saw the immoral side of islam. Slaves, Mo raping Aisha, killing apostates... I just tried not to think about it because "allah knows best". However, having no moral compass and just relying on islam to "know" wheter something is good or bad is truly terrifying to me.
  • The whole 'thighing thing' - what is the consensus on this?
     Reply #17 - October 12, 2014, 01:16 PM

    Well, islam does love putting fear into the hearts of it's followers.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • The whole 'thighing thing' - what is the consensus on this?
     Reply #18 - October 12, 2014, 01:18 PM

    You used to be one, you should know the mentality. Though let's be fair, it's only going to be the most extreme muslim who would follow this today.

    Rubbish... you need sleep QSE...

    Millions and millions of Muslim folks know nothing about what is there, what is written and what is preached in Islam.  But they all know tits and bits of it..    

    In fact that also goes to many other so-called religions.. I call them faiths and faith heads...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • The whole 'thighing thing' - what is the consensus on this?
     Reply #19 - October 12, 2014, 01:24 PM

    I said mentality, not scripture.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • The whole 'thighing thing' - what is the consensus on this?
     Reply #20 - October 12, 2014, 01:32 PM

    ^ that's how i understood it too. Maybe it's yeezevee who needs some sleep Wink
  • The whole 'thighing thing' - what is the consensus on this?
     Reply #21 - October 12, 2014, 01:46 PM

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    I said mentality, not scripture.

    ^ that's how i understood it too. Maybe it's yeezevee who needs some sleep Wink


    Huh!..

    Yap many people are trying to put him to sleep...  that asshole deserves it... but lucky rascal  ..   Cheesy

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • The whole 'thighing thing' - what is the consensus on this?
     Reply #22 - October 12, 2014, 02:00 PM

    ^ that's how i understood it too. Maybe it's yeezevee who needs some sleep Wink

    Your avatar reminds me of this fellow:










    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • The whole 'thighing thing' - what is the consensus on this?
     Reply #23 - October 12, 2014, 02:36 PM

    ^ It's from Tim Burton's "The melancholy death of Oyster Boy & other stories" Wink
  • The whole 'thighing thing' - what is the consensus on this?
     Reply #24 - October 12, 2014, 02:37 PM

    Yay, Tim Burton fan!

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • The whole 'thighing thing' - what is the consensus on this?
     Reply #25 - October 12, 2014, 02:40 PM

    Yup, a huge fan Smiley
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