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  • UKIP gains first elected MP with Clacton win
     OP - October 10, 2014, 07:57 AM

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29549414

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    The UK Independence Party has gained its first elected MP, with Douglas Carswell taking the seat of Clacton by 12,404 votes.

    Mr Carswell, who defected from the Conservatives, knocked his old party - which enjoyed a 12,068 majority at the 2010 election - into second place.

    UKIP leader Nigel Farage said he had "shaken up British politics".

    In the night's other by-election, Labour held on to Heywood and Middleton but UKIP slashed its majority to 617.

    Mr Farage told BBC Breakfast UKIP could hold the balance of power after next year's general election.

    He said UKIP's second place in Heywood and Middleton was "even more significant" than its win in Clacton, saying the party was now the main opposition to Labour in northern cities.

    "Something big is happening here. People want change, they have had enough of career politicians in three parties."

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  • UKIP gains first elected MP with Clacton win
     Reply #1 - October 10, 2014, 07:59 AM

    I read this a few weeks ago. I think there's something to it. Partial quote:

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    IF YOU bought a copy of The Times today, cut out and keep a copy of Matthew Parris’s column. In it, he describes the Clacton by-election as a battle between the Conservatives, Labour and UKIP for the dying parts of England, those end-of-the-line towns (literally, in the many seaside cases) where people go to retire, not to aspire nor to achieve. The Manichean scheme that he paints sums up the debate that will surely decide the future of England’s politics.

    Mr Parris is careful not to belittle the residents of the faded Essex resort, but to describe it as he saw it: poor, nostalgic and occupied by white, working-class and mostly elderly folk. Still, he has come under attack from fellow Tories for writing what he wrote. Tim Montgomerie and Tim Stanley, to name two eloquent commentators, have rubbished the column’s argument: that the Conservatives should concentrate on the fizzing, optimistic parts of the British electorate, not the drably, barely comfortable Clactonites and their ilk. They accuse Mr Parris of snobbishness, elitism and ignorance of political realities: almost everything, in fact, but being wrong in his description of Clacton.

    In your correspondent’s experience, Mr Parris is right about the town and the broader split that the by-election there will illustrate. In the past weeks I have had occasion to crisscross England from Birmingham to Southend, Hull to Berwick, Oxford to Peterborough. The single overwhelming impression of this English journey has been that the great divide is not north versus south or cities versus towns or left versus right, or even working-class versus middle-class. It is between those communities that have found a way to thrive in the economic circumstances conscribing England today—a high-wage, Anglo-Saxon service economy on the edge of Europe—and those that have not been able or (debatably) willing to do so.

    On the one side are places that have some combination of transport links, housing, natural resources, skills, international connections, open-mindedness, existing industrial clusters and political can-do. Not all of these are present in all cases (most obviously, London badly lacks the second of these). But, your correspondent submits, the last of these is disproportionately present in the places that are making a good fist of whichever other factors they have at their disposal. On the other side are those that have few of any of these. They are declining, in spirit as in population. 

    As ever, political tectonics are following socio-economic ones. Just as England is splitting along lines perpendicular to its traditional divisions, so its two main political parties are tearing along their middles. Mr Parris’s column and the reaction to it neatly depict the debate within the Conservative Party. A very similar conflict is playing out in Labour ranks, too. In both, communitarians have come to blows with cosmopolitans.

  • UKIP gains first elected MP with Clacton win
     Reply #2 - October 10, 2014, 04:28 PM

    Matthew Parris was alot more blunt in the interview he gave to an Irish radio station this morning, during which he said the electorate of Clacton on Sea was overly full of ill-educated geriatrics.  Its amusing when British politicians do that in the Irish media, they must think Ireland is in a galaxy far, far away and nothing they say here will ever reach Britain's delicate ears.

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  • UKIP gains first elected MP with Clacton win
     Reply #3 - October 10, 2014, 04:32 PM

    Sounds like imams preaching two different things to Muslims and kufr. Cheesy

    I did notice this though: "They accuse Mr Parris of snobbishness, elitism and ignorance of political realities: almost everything, in fact, but being wrong in his description of Clacton."

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  • UKIP gains first elected MP with Clacton win
     Reply #4 - October 10, 2014, 04:35 PM

    At least the Imams generally take the precaution of using two different languages.  Maybe British politicians should start giving all their interviews to Irish journalists in Arabic.   wacko

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  • UKIP gains first elected MP with Clacton win
     Reply #5 - October 10, 2014, 04:38 PM

    Or Gaeilge. That'd work. No fucker understands that anyway. grin12

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  • UKIP gains first elected MP with Clacton win
     Reply #6 - October 10, 2014, 04:44 PM

    Your Queen does!   parrot

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  • UKIP gains first elected MP with Clacton win
     Reply #7 - October 10, 2014, 04:46 PM

    Yeah but she's discreet, and doesn't get involved in politics. Wink

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  • UKIP gains first elected MP with Clacton win
     Reply #8 - October 10, 2014, 04:55 PM

    When are you going to become a Republic then?  Tongue

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  • UKIP gains first elected MP with Clacton win
     Reply #9 - October 10, 2014, 04:58 PM

    No real incentive to. The royals are fun and harmless. People seem to like them. What's the big deal?

    Personally I thought the last Jubilee was a total hoot. The sight of a choir standing on top of a barge in the pissing down rain, whilst singing "Land of Hope and Glory" at an old duck in a funny hat, was total gold. It's worth forking out a few quid for entertainment like that. Cheesy

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  • UKIP gains first elected MP with Clacton win
     Reply #10 - October 10, 2014, 05:08 PM

    I'd like to see Kylie Minogue as President. 

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  • UKIP gains first elected MP with Clacton win
     Reply #11 - October 10, 2014, 05:14 PM

    Well she defo has more style than Liz, as well as a cuter arse, so I can see some benefits in it.

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  • UKIP gains first elected MP with Clacton win
     Reply #12 - October 10, 2014, 07:46 PM

    Personally I thought the last Jubilee was a total hoot. The sight of a choir standing on top of a barge in the pissing down rain, whilst singing "Land of Hope and Glory" at an old duck in a funny hat, was total gold. It's worth forking out a few quid for entertainment like that. Cheesy


    That was funny, wasn't it lol
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