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  • 72 Virgins
     OP - July 20, 2014, 07:18 AM

    This is the greatest reward in Jannah so I would like to know more about it?

    Sorry ladies your not getting any, your emotions and fantasies arent going to be fulfilled much. Better make the most of your fantasy time whilst down here.

    1] Does it wind up Muslim women  when you mentions the hoors?
    2] Is it still 72 virgins and not grapes?
    3] I take it after the 72nd virgin has been de-flowered (maybe 72days into heaven) you have the rest of eternity with No virgins?
    4] The Virgins can give birth what happens to these children I take a guy will have maybe 100 billion kids, over time, but the space awarded to him will be limited. so over time will there be chronic overcrowding?
    5] "Al-hoor al-‘iyn are extremely beautiful, such that the marrow of their calves will be visible from beneath their garments (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, no. 3014"
        Is this really a good look?
    6] Can you determine each of the faces of the Hoors or will they be given on prescription, I'd like a Nicole Scherzinger look alike for instance
    7] Unbelivers here you gonna lose your girlfriend, wife to some beardy bloke


    Abu ‘Umama (Allah be pleased with him) reported that Allah’s Messenger (صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم) said: “Allah will not admit anyone in the Paradise but Allah, the Mighty and glorious will marry him with 72 wives, two will be from virgin (houris) with big eyes and 70 will be his inheritance from the people of the Hell-Fire*.” Every one of them will have a pleasant vagina and he (the man) will have sexual organ that does not bend down during sexual intercourse (perpetual erection).” [Ibn Majah, volume 5, number 4337]

    8] Perpetual erection thats gonna hurt?

    9] Your old missus wont be there as she is too much of a nag
    "Houris do not want wives to annoy their husbands, since the houris will also be the spouses [i.e. wives] of the Muslim husbands in the afterlife; —”Mu’adh b. Jobal (R.A.) reported that Allah’s Messenger (صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم) said, ‘A woman does not annoy her husband but his spouse from amongst the houris (maidens with wide eyes, intensely white and deeply black irises) will say: Do not annoy him, may Allah ruin you.” He is with you as a passing guest. Very soon, he will part with you and come to us.’” [Ibn-i-Majah vol.3:2014 p.212]"

    10] It actually gets better "Narrated from Abu Hurayra (R.A.) that the Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم) was asked: “O RasulAllah (صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم)! Will we touch our wives in heaven? He (صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم) replied: A man will touch 100 virgins a day.” [Tabarani, al-Mucam as-Saghir & Awsat]"
    Right im converting back now... woo hoo  Cheesy


    Late Eid Mubarak, Where's my eidee present ?
  • 72 Virgins
     Reply #1 - July 20, 2014, 07:25 AM

    Grapes!

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    The Virgins and the Grapes: the Christian Origins of the Koran
    A German scholar of ancient languages takes a new look at the sacred book of Islam. He maintains that it was created by Syro-Aramaic speaking Christians, in order to evangelize the Arabs. And he translates it in a new way

    by Sandro Magister                               





    ROMA - That Aramaic was the lingua franca of a vast area of the ancient Middle East is a notion that is by now amply noted by a vast public, thanks to Mel Gibson´s film "The Passion of the Christ," which everyone watches in that language.

    But that Syro-Aramaic was also the root of the Koran, and of the Koran of a primitive Christian system, is a more specialized notion, an almost clandestine one. And it´s more than a little dangerous. The author of the most important book on the subject - a German professor of ancient Semitic and Arabic languages - preferred, out of prudence, to write under the pseudonym of Christoph Luxenberg. A few years ago, one of his colleagues at the University of Nablus in Palestine, Suliman Bashear, was thrown out of the window by his scandalized Muslim students.

    In the Europe of the 16th and 17th centuries, mangled by the wars of religion, scholars of the Bible also used to keep a safe distance with pseudonyms. But if, now, the ones doing so are the scholars of the Koran, this is a sign that, for the Muslim holy book as well, the era of historical, linguistic, and philological re-readings has begun.

    This is a promising beginning for many reasons. Gerd-Rüdiger Puin, a professor at Saarland University in Germany and another Koran scholar on the philological level, maintains that this type of approach to Islam´s holy book can help to defeat its fundamentalist and Manichean readings, and to bring into a better light its ties with Judaism and Christianity.

    The book by "Christoph Luxenberg" came out in 2000 in Germany with the title "Die Syro-Aramäische Lesart des Koran" ("A Syro-Aramaic Reading of the Koran"), published in Berlin by Das Arabische Buch. It is out of print, and there are no translations in other languages. But a new, updated edition (again in German) is about to arrive in bookstores.

    Here follows an interview with the author, published in Germany in the newspaper "Süddeutsche Zeitung" and in Italy in "L´espresso," no. 11, March 12-18, 2004:


    From the Gospel to Islam

    An interview with "Christoph Luxenberg" by Alfred Hackensberger


    Q. - Professor, why did you think it useful to conduct this re-reading of the Koran?

    A. - "Because, in the Koran, there are many obscure points that, from the beginning, even the Arab commentators were not able to explain. Of these passages it is said that only God can comprehend them. Western research on the Koran, which has been conducted in a systematic manner only since about the middle of the 19th century, has always taken as its base the commentaries of the Arab scholars. But these have never gone beyond the etymological explanation of some terms of foreign origin."

    Q. - What makes your method different?

    A. - "I began from the idea that the language of the Koran must be studied from an historical-linguistic point of view. When the Koran was composed, Arabic did not exist as a written language; thus it seemed evident to me that it was necessary to take into consideration, above all, Aramaic, which at the time, between the 4th and 7th centuries, was not only the language of written communication, but also the lingua franca of that area of Western Asia."

    Q. - Tell us how you proceeded.

    A. - "At first I conducted a ´synchronous´ reading. In other words, I kept in mind both Arabic and Aramaic. Thanks to this procedure, I was able to discover the extent of the previously unsuspected influence of Aramaic upon the language of the Koran: in point of fact, much of what now passes under the name of ´classical Arabic´ is of Aramaic derivation."

    Q. - What do you say, then, about the idea, accepted until now, that the Koran was the first book written in Arabic?

    A. - "According to Islamic tradition, the Koran dates back to the 7th century, while the first examples of Arabic literature in the full sense of the phrase are found only two centuries later, at the time of the ´Biography of the Prophet´; that is, of the life of Mohammed as written by Ibn Hisham, who died in 828. We may thus establish that post-Koranic Arabic literature developed by degrees, in the period following the work of al-Khalil bin Ahmad, who died in 786, the founder of Arabic lexicography (kitab al-ayn), and of Sibawwayh, who died in 796, to whom the grammar of classical Arabic is due. Now, if we assume that the composition of the Koran was brought to an end in the year of the Prophet Mohammed´s death, in 632, we find before us an interval of 150 years, during which there is no trace of Arabic literature worthy of note."

    Q. - So at the time of Mohammed Arabic did not have precise rules, and was not used for written communication. Then how did the Koran come to be written?

    A. - "At that time, there were no Arab schools - except, perhaps, for the Christian centers of al-Anbar and al-Hira, in southern Mesopotamia, or what is now Iraq. The Arabs of that region had been Christianized and instructed by Syrian Christians. Their liturgical language was Syro-Aramaic. And this was the vehicle of their culture, and more generally the language of written communication."

    Q. - What is the relationship between this language of culture and the origin of the Koran?

    A. - "Beginning in the third century, the Syrian Christians did not limit themselves to bringing their evangelical mission to nearby countries, like Armenia or Persia. They pressed on toward distant territories, all the way to the borders of China and the western coast of India, in addition to the entire Arabian peninsula all the way to Yemen and Ethiopia. It is thus rather probable that, in order to proclaim the Christian message to the Arabic peoples, they would have used (among others) the language of the Bedouins, or Arabic. In order to spread the Gospel, they necessarily made use of a mishmash of languages. But in an era in which Arabic was just an assembly of dialects and had no written form, the missionaries had no choice but to resort to their own literary language and their own culture; that is, to Syro-Aramaic. The result was that the language of the Koran was born as a written Arabic language, but one of Arab-Aramaic derivation."

    Q. - Do you mean that anyone who does not keep the Syro-Aramaic language in mind cannot translate and interpret the Koran correctly?

    A. - "Yes. Anyone who wants to make a thorough study of the Koran must have a background in the Syro-Aramaic grammar and literature of that period, the 7th century. Only thus can he identify the original meaning of Arabic expressions whose semantic interpretation can be established definitively only by retranslating them into Syro-Aramaic."

    Q. - Let´s come to the misunderstandings. One of the most glaring errors you cite is that of the virgins promised, in the Islamic paradise, to the suicide bombers.

    A. - "We begin from the term ´huri,´ for which the Arabic commentators could not find any meaning other than those heavenly virgins. But if one keeps in mind the derivations from Syro-Aramaic, that expression indicated ´white grapes,´ which is one of the symbolic elements of the Christian paradise, recalled in the Last Supper of Jesus. There´s another Koranic expression, falsely interpreted as ´the children´ or ´the youths´ of paradise: in Aramaic: it designates the fruit of the vine, which in the Koran is compared to pearls. As for the symbols of paradise, these interpretive errors are probably connected to the male monopoly in Koranic commentary and interpretation."


    http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/7025?eng=y

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • 72 Virgins
     Reply #2 - July 20, 2014, 07:27 AM

    good referencing there

    i wish it was all true could you imagine

    sounds like a porn set

    but u have to admire mo's creativity, the guy was probably doubling up when he had a moment to himself lol

    my wife is jealous of the houris

    to make her happy i told her that i will take her instead Smiley

    Life is like a box of chocolates, shut the fuck up and eat them!
  • 72 Virgins
     Reply #3 - July 20, 2014, 07:28 AM

    I've never really took the promise of 72 virgins as literal, i always presumed it meant that heavenly bliss will be equivalent to having endless sex (for men only)  :/ .. Not sure why they have to be useless virgins though lol...  still it is BS..   i think point 5.  above promotes anorexia in young girls yes  wacko
  • 72 Virgins
     Reply #4 - July 20, 2014, 07:59 AM

    "Inheritance from the people of hellfire" this is the first time I've come across that. What does that even mean?

    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • 72 Virgins
     Reply #5 - July 20, 2014, 08:04 AM

    ^ I'd love to see the whole quran translated into syro aramaic, would be fascinating to read.

    Hey so does that mean that men will not get their virgins but will now receive 72 white grapes ?   lol
  • 72 Virgins
     Reply #6 - July 20, 2014, 11:13 AM

    Mohammed had great imagination. Lol. Its all about sex and food in 'so called heaven'. Also, whats attractive about seeing marrow through skin unless ur a dog  how do ppl even believe this crap.

    "Question with boldness even the existence of God...because...if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear"...Thomas Jefferson
  • 72 Virgins
     Reply #7 - July 20, 2014, 11:26 AM

    Virgins are mentioned in the Quran (houris) but 72 is only found in an obscure weak hadith, IIRC. And they're for all righteous Muslim men, not just martyrs.
  • 72 Virgins
     Reply #8 - July 20, 2014, 11:44 AM

    Virgins are not mentioned in the koran - that is a mistranslation.  Grapes are discussed in the koran alluding to the christian heaven where we feast on the body and blood - wine in xianity - of Christ.

    Arabic was not written in the 600s.

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    We begin from the term ´huri,´ for which the Arabic commentators could not find any meaning other than those heavenly virgins. But if one keeps in mind the derivations from Syro-Aramaic, that expression indicated ´white grapes,´ which is one of the symbolic elements of the Christian paradise, recalled in the Last Supper of Jesus


    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • 72 Virgins
     Reply #9 - July 20, 2014, 11:52 AM

    No, that's just Luxenburg going OTT with his hypothesis. Virgins means virgins. Not grapes.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • 72 Virgins
     Reply #10 - July 20, 2014, 12:03 PM

    Is it OTT?  Why trust eighth century commentators more than modern scholars?

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    Pakistan has banned the latest issue of Newsweek's international edition, saying an article on new interpretations of the Quran, the Islamic equivalent of the Bible, is offensive to Islam.





    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-does-the-quran-really-say/

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • 72 Virgins
     Reply #11 - July 20, 2014, 12:31 PM

    Scholar. Many academic reviews of his book pan his conclusions vizaviz grapes in heaven. Just google reviews of christoph Luxenburg.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • 72 Virgins
     Reply #12 - July 20, 2014, 12:33 PM

    we (women) also wanna have endless sex in heaven with good looking guys like garrett clayton!!! and have countless good looking men around us!!! ALL VIRGIN  finmad finmad finmad

    what happens when these 72 virgins arent virgins anymore? they will be useless? or forever for this men? how comes men do have a lot of wives (on earth and in heaven) and women do only have ONE man?
    maybe, back then, in the time of mo, there were too many ladies that wanted to marry, so he came up with a new rule (every man can have 4 wives)?

    Dogs never bite me - just humans. ~ M. Monroe

    Religions seem to cause more grief than good.

    Exmuslim Chat
  • 72 Virgins
     Reply #13 - July 20, 2014, 02:27 PM

    Believe me you dont want a virgin, 72 good thoroughbred studs will do the job much better.


    Make dua

    Late Eid Mubarak, Where's my eidee present ?
  • 72 Virgins
     Reply #14 - July 20, 2014, 02:29 PM

    Im sure Mo wouldnt have been able to encorage his troops much with 72 grapes, I can pick them up at the corner shop for about £3.


    Late Eid Mubarak, Where's my eidee present ?
  • 72 Virgins
     Reply #15 - July 20, 2014, 02:39 PM

    good referencing there

    i wish it was all true could you imagine

    sounds like a porn set




    Hmmm i see a money making opportunity here Cheesy

    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • 72 Virgins
     Reply #16 - July 20, 2014, 02:40 PM

    72 virgins are better than 72 deflowered women, because men during Mo's time, like in any patriarchal mysogynist society, liked their women untouched. Like, a virgin is so much better because you can feel like a real manly man thinking she has never been touched prior to you. And since Mo was a 7th century desert Arab, knowing nothing about human anatomy, he thought that "virginity" was something that like, could "grow back" and that it felt "different" being a virgin and non-virgin. So the houris, and his human wives, will be virgins in heaven, and every time after he's fucked one of them, they go back to being virgins again. Roll Eyes

    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • 72 Virgins
     Reply #17 - July 20, 2014, 02:50 PM

    "Inheritance from the people of hellfire" this is the first time I've come across that. What does that even mean?


    I think it means that all non-muslim's women will belong to Muslims.


    Late Eid Mubarak, Where's my eidee present ?
  • 72 Virgins
     Reply #18 - July 20, 2014, 02:54 PM

    But aren't disbelievers destined to eternal hell? And if its true what you say, and that is what the hadeeth says, what kind of existence is a kafir woman having in paradise. Is her living there a punishment, like is allah punishing and torturing her in some way (besides being someone's sex slave). Like, how does it work. Where is a shaykh when you need one!

    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • 72 Virgins
     Reply #19 - July 20, 2014, 02:57 PM

    Accepted Islamic theology gets even more fucked up!
  • 72 Virgins
     Reply #20 - July 20, 2014, 03:26 PM

    Omg, so... Male nonbelievers will be used as... Male sex slaves by other man. :| thats their punishment :|

    Dogs never bite me - just humans. ~ M. Monroe

    Religions seem to cause more grief than good.

    Exmuslim Chat
  • 72 Virgins
     Reply #21 - July 20, 2014, 03:33 PM

    ^ Cheesy I knew it! We all know Quran abd hadeeth is full of homoeroticism, so male lovers in paradise are perhaps OK. Roll Eyes

    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • 72 Virgins
     Reply #22 - July 20, 2014, 03:36 PM

    Omg, so... Male nonbelievers will be used as... Male sex slaves by other man. :| thats their punishment :|


    Is the burning flames code for non-transferable STD/Is? Jesus!
  • 72 Virgins
     Reply #23 - July 20, 2014, 03:54 PM

    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=LKt8AgAAQBAJ&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=luxenberg+grapes&source=bl&ots=X0ex_9WGpD&sig=yV318cCN9NGzl5UA_lrNvJaOdIE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=gxzMU-TwBKby7Aac-YGABQ&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAzgK#v=onepage&q=luxenberg%20grapes&f=false

    Quote
    Sura 97 Christmas night is better than a 1000 night vigils
    Quote



    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • 72 Virgins
     Reply #24 - July 20, 2014, 07:22 PM

    I am trying to picture one from the description below but I cant, can someone describe to me in this worldy descripttions what one would look like?

    * A houri is a most beautiful young woman with a transparent body. The marrow of her bones is visible like the interior lines of pearls and rubies. She looks like a red wine in a white glass.
    *The stunning beauty of the hoori is such that the marrow of her calves can be seen from beneath her clothes, and a man will be able to see his face in the liver of one of them, like a mirror because of the fineness of her skin and the purity of her colour.
    Fath al-Baari, 8/570
    * A houri is a girl of tender age, having large rising breasts which are round, and not inclined to dangle.
    * A houri's face is more radiant than a mirror and one can see one's image in her cheek. The marrow of her shins is visible to the eyes.
    * Their glances, with big eyes (Of wonder and beauty)
    * when a man turns his face away from her, she will become 70 times more beautiful in his eyes
    * if she were to spit in the salty water of the seven occeans, then all the seven occeans would turn sweater than honey.
    *the noun hur is a plural of both ahwar (masc) and hawra (fem.) either of which describes "a person distinguished by hawar" which latter term primarily denotes "intense whiteness of the eyeballs and lusturous black of the iris".




    And for the women of this earth who have praised Allah well
    haykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked: Does the description of the hoor al-‘iyn include the women of this world?

        He replied: It seems to me that the women of this world will be better than the hoor al-‘iyn, even in outward appearance,

    Late Eid Mubarak, Where's my eidee present ?
  • 72 Virgins
     Reply #25 - July 20, 2014, 07:34 PM

    The Maidens of Jannat : http://www.kalamullah.com/Books/maidens.pdf

    Late Eid Mubarak, Where's my eidee present ?
  • 72 Virgins
     Reply #26 - July 20, 2014, 10:25 PM

    Believe me you dont want a virgin, 72 good thoroughbred studs will do the job much better.


    Make dua


    Virginity is highly overrated. Take it from someone who married a 30 yr old virgin.  Tongue

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
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