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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #2310 - January 25, 2017, 05:31 PM

    Tom Holland reviews Graeme Wood's The Way of the Strangers: Encounters with the Islamic State

    http://www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/2017/01/west-can-never-hope-understand-islamic-state
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #2311 - July 28, 2017, 11:11 PM

    Philip Wood - An inconvenient truth: IS draws on Islamic sources for its inspiration

    http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/oborne-holland-islamic-state-narratives-831456349
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #2312 - August 05, 2017, 06:35 PM

    Thread: Interview with an ISIS wife

    https://mobile.twitter.com/jenanmoussa/status/893182653767319552
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #2313 - October 12, 2017, 02:05 AM

    For some reason I can't hyper link this, but apparently Sally Jones, the White Widow, is dead.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4971652/British-ISIS-recruiter-Sally-Jones-killed-drone.html

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #2314 - October 14, 2017, 03:39 AM



    well here are the videos 

    CNN's Nick Paton Walsh speaks with the wives of ISIS in Syria.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7lFtUYHqG0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uKEJArRxso

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BHFcaFjK8Y

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic9ZJokrE0c

    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #2315 - October 14, 2017, 03:50 AM

    Well On that ISIS or "IShitIShit "  ...whatever ... dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy writes hard hitting eyeopening article  in today's Dawn

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    IS IS actually bad? UnIslamic? by  Pervez HoodbhoyOctober 14, 2017

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    PAKISTAN’S military and government have proscribed the militant Islamic State (IS, aka Daesh) group and declared it an enemy organisation. They have never explained why.
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    Of course, IS’s atrocities — which include beheadings, crucifixions, suicide bombings, and intimidation of civilians in captured territories — have been condemned by many. It is also a fact that IS has killed many more Muslims than non-Muslims. But is IS to be faulted for bad tactics or is its goal to create an Islamic state in Pakistan itself wrong? Should attempts to make a global caliphate be condemned or, instead, assisted?


    Our generals and politicians would rather bomb IS than argue logically against it because they know IS’s stated goal resonates with millions of ordinary Pakistanis. Through its internet machinery, IS declares it will establish God’s principality (mumlikat-i-khudadad) headed by a righteous caliph who would govern by God’s law. For this to happen territory must be seized and secured, idolatry and heresy eliminated, and the immoral mixing of men and women stopped. This is sweet music to many Pakistani ears.

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    IS literature claims that Muslims can properly practise their faith only in an Islamic state. This also resonates perfectly. The leader of Kashmiri separatists and a member of the Jamaat-i-Islami, Syed Ali Shah Geelani, put it succinctly: “It’s as difficult for a Muslim to live in a non-Muslim society as it is for a fish to live out of the water.”

    More support comes from Allama Iqbal, Pakistan’s celebrated poet-philosopher who declared that the ultimate goal of Muslims is to create a caliphate. In his influential 1934 lectures The Reconstruction of Religious Thought in Islam, Iqbal said: “In order to create a really effective political unity of Islam, all Muslim countries must first become independent: and then in their totality they should range themselves under one caliph. Is such a thing possible at the present moment? If not today, one must wait.”


    Pakistan’s generals and politicians would rather bomb IS than argue logically against it.

    With such a powerful voice advocating the caliphate as an eventual goal, should one then accept IS’s vision as authentically Islamic? Does IS genuinely represent Muslim thought and Muslim aspirations today? For two strong reasons — the ones that generals and politicians fail to articulate — I think not.

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    First, IS claims its legitimacy through Islam. But this is futile. IS’s takfiri Islam is definitely not mainstream Islam. This one particular strain must be contrasted against countless gentler, differently reasoned, more humane forms that reject IS’s harsh interpretations. To say which one of these is the truer Islam is irresolvable since Islam does not have a central authority like the pope.


    But IS wants ‘purification’ and so those Shia Muslims and Sunni Muslims who disagree with its version have been declared apostates, stoned, killed, and had their hands and feet cut off. Like the Afghan Taliban, IS delights in destroying humanity’s common heritage. It despises archaeology, women and non-Muslims. Even if some Muslims agree with IS’s deeds, most reject them.

    Second, IS’s claim that Islam insists upon a caliphate is not supported by the Holy Quran. Every Islamic scholar has to agree that the Quran does not mention a territorial Islamic state. In fact, there is no word for a territorial state in classical Arabic. That which comes closest today is dawlah but this word acquired its current meaning well after the 1648 Treaty of Westphalia, when the European concept of a geographically defined nation-state was born.

    Islam’s greatest sociologist and political scientist, Ibn-i-Khaldun (1332-1406), had emphatically rejected the concept of an Islamic state and opposed using religion in politics. Others such as al-Mawardi (earlier) and Syed Abul Ala Maudoodi (later) thought otherwise, but all agree that the holy texts are not governance manuals.

    Quarrels among scholars would have been stilled if the Quran or hadith had defined even the broad outlines of statehood. However these texts provide no hint of an executive or of government ministries. How should administrative units be determined, and the police or army organised. Would there be jails?

    Most tellingly, the holy texts leave us guessing on how an Islamic state’s ruler is to be chosen and what might be legitimate cause for his removal. To this day there are furious disagreements as to whether Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) did or did not specify his successor — or even a procedure for determining one. This created an enduring schism on how to select the next leaders of the faithful. So, for example, is Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi acceptable as the present caliph or should it be someone else?

    There can surely be hugely different opinions on religious and political matters, including whether a caliphate is desirable or possible in a globalised world. These are tolerable, arguable differences. But what Pakistan absolutely must not tolerate is messianic radicalism that encourages the killing of innocents after labelling them kafirs. Whether a group is anti-Pakistan (IS, Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan), or pro-Pakistan (Afghan Taliban, Lashkar-e-Taiba, Jaish-e-Mohammad) is irrelevant. Every group that calls for violence against civilians inside or outside national borders should be banned. A victory of religious fanatics would ensure limitless suffering and the destruction of every Muslim society on this planet.

    So far ideologically unchallenged, IS is now fast increasing its presence across Pakistan and particularly in Balochistan. Even as it loses territory in Iraq and Syria, its propaganda units are trying to create new generations of religious extremists, much as they have done in Europe.
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    Decrying IS as a rogue movement is insufficient to reverse this trend. It is also futile to claim that IS has nothing to do with Islam because its leadership carefully quotes supportive holy doctrines to justify every major atrocity. Therefore IS must first be defeated on ideological grounds — military action can come later if necessary.


    Counter narratives to radicalisation do exist within the Islamic paradigm. A meeting of ulema called by the National Counter Terrorism Authority that I attended earlier this year cogently argued that radical takfiri groups depart from Islamic tradition and that their interpretation of Islamic sources is incorrect. But these wise recommendations, like many before them, have met obscurity. No Pakistani civil or military leader of significance has had the courage to endorse or own them. Extremism can breed rapidly in this climate.


    well that is one heck of hard hitting article on reality of Islamic literature

    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #2316 - October 07, 2019, 04:17 PM

    Latest betrayal of Kurds risks undermining defeat of Isis

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/07/latest-betrayal-of-kurds-risks-undermining-defeat-of-isis
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    As US armour and troops started to leave the region on Monday, a frantic Kurdish leadership was demanding explanations and readying for an invasion that could change the map of the region and prove hugely consequential in other ways too, including undermining the security gains achieved in the war on Isis.

    Since the battlefield victory, Syrian Kurds have swapped roles from fighters to jailers, detaining 90,000 suspected Isis supporters in four camps across the province. Guards remained loyal to the cause on the promise of ongoing patronage from Washington. They have far less incentive to do so now.

    European states, deeply invested in what happens to the Isis camps, were blindsided by Trump’s announcement that Turkey would take control of them and sceptical that Ankara has either the will or capacity to do such a thing.

    For its part, Ankara also appears to be surprised. The site of one camp, al-Hol, is not on maps it has prepared for its operation. Inheriting a headache on this scale seems to be part of a quid pro quo imposed on Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. A state dinner at the White House may well hinge on him agreeing.

    Among the camp detainees are hard-wired ideologues who would be central to an Isis resurgence if given the chance. The spectre of a jihadist juggernaut once again roaming the plains of Iraq and Syria after using captivity to regroup – think the US-run detention centres in Iraq writ large – now hangs heavy over a region still grappling with the seismic regional power shifts that have defined Trump’s three turbulent years in office.

  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #2317 - October 07, 2019, 08:56 PM

    seems to be an easy win for turkey. have no idea why european countries are sitting on their hands waiting for the fallout to reach their capital cities.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #2318 - October 07, 2019, 09:13 PM

    Because they’re more concerned with the agreement with Turkey to stop migrants reaching the EU?

    https://apnews.com/d3f1357181564f32a64e4696faedf17e
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    The EU has only paid out about half of the 6 billion euros ($6.6 billion) promised to Turkey under a landmark 2016 agreement to halt westward migration, and officials in Ankara have recently threatened call off the deal without renewed disbursements.

  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #2319 - October 09, 2019, 06:05 PM

    air strikes have begun whilst europe are writing statements.

    Quote from:
    France, Britain and Germany are set to issue a statement strongly condemning Turkey's offensive in northeastern Syria, France's European affairs minister said on Wednesday.


    https://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN1WO1W8
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #2320 - October 10, 2019, 04:07 PM

    Erdogan using refugees as a bargaining chip - it will be interesting to see if this makes European countries back away from criticism.

    Turkish president threatens to send 3.6m refugees to Europe
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    The Turkish president has threatened to “open the gates” for Syrian refugees in his country to migrate to Europe if the continent’s countries label Turkey’s military campaign in north-eastern Syria an “occupation”.

    Recep Tayyip Erdoğan warned European leaders he would “open the gates and send 3.6 million refugees your way” during a combative speech at a meeting of lawmakers from his Justice and Development (AK) party.

  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #2321 - October 10, 2019, 07:19 PM

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=91&v=YhS9ejhtOso
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #2322 - October 12, 2019, 05:42 PM

    turkish invaders have a thin skin.

    Quote from:
    Turkish prosecutors have ordered the detention of 121 social media users for criticizing a military operation in northeast Syria on charges of insulting the national identity, Interior Minister Süleyman Soylu said on Friday, according to the Artı Gerçek news website.

    ... “This is not an invasion. Calling this a war is treason,” Soylu said, adding that Turkey is fighting against terrorist groups.


    https://www.turkishminute.com/2019/10/11/turkey-detains-121-social-media-users-for-criticism-of-syria-incursion/
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #2323 - October 13, 2019, 09:31 AM

    British orphans found trapped in Syria IS camp  says BBC news with a Video

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    British orphans found trapped in Syria IS camp

    The war in Syria has been reignited on new fronts by Turkey's incursion into the north east of the country. In camps across the regions are thousands of terrified children whose parents supported the Islamic State group, but most of their countries don't want them home.

    In one camp, the BBC has discovered three children, believed to be from London, whose parents joined IS five years ago, and were subsequently killed in the fighting.

    The children - Amira, Heba and Hamza - are stranded, in danger and they want to come home.

    not just three Children from UK.,  not just UK ,,, Children from  from all over the world are there...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97sWukV695c

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbX92TK6-IM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XpFhv6SL-I

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1geq17mjSE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cYURB3uPhw



    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #2324 - October 13, 2019, 10:54 AM

    Demo in London today against the invasion: https://www.facebook.com/events/2607334165980151
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #2325 - October 13, 2019, 12:09 PM

    At least 750 Isis affiliates escape camp after Turkish shelling
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #2326 - October 13, 2019, 05:42 PM

    desperate kurds turning to syrian govt and their russian backers.

    Quote from:
    With little leverage left in the game, Syria's Kurds -- viewed by Ankara as "terrorists" -- may have to thaw ties with President Bashar al-Assad's Russian-backed regime.

    "The absence of US forces could cause them to turn to Damascus for assistance," Syria expert Samuel Ramani told AFP.


    https://news.yahoo.com/exposed-under-fire-syrias-kurds-may-turn-damascus-093617284.html
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #2327 - October 14, 2019, 09:06 AM

    Looks like it’s a deal with Assad: https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/13/kurds-assad-syria-russia-putin-turkey-genocide/
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #2328 - October 14, 2019, 07:47 PM

    UK refuses to join France, Germany and Netherlands in halting arms sales to Turkey
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #2329 - Yesterday at 09:13 PM

    Trump writes to Erdogan: https://mobile.twitter.com/trish_regan/status/1184559361638748161
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #2330 - Yesterday at 09:58 PM

    away from the trump circus, the real deals are being struck.

    Quote from:
    Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan will meet Russian President Vladimir Putin in the Black Sea city of Sochi on Oct. 22, the Turkish presidency said on Wednesday.

    It gave no further details. Both countries have troops in Syria, where Turkey has launched a cross-border offensive targeting Kurdish YPG fighters, and Russian forces are supporting Syrian army troops moving into northeast Syria after the U.S. started a military withdrawal.


    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/turkeys-erdogan-meet-putin-russia-200700920.html

    meanwhile, kurdish politicians are beng targeted by execution squads.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSFuoAumxFo
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