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  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #690 - August 18, 2014, 02:42 PM

    Quote
    Stability. Security. The peace of mind that comes from being able to get a decent job and provide for your family, in a country that you feel has a good future ahead of it and that treats people fairly. In a nutshell, that is what people in Britain want – and what the Government I lead is dedicated to building.

    Britain – our economy, our security, our future – must come first. After a deep and damaging recession, and our involvement in long and difficult conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan, it is hardly surprising that so many people say to me when seeing the tragedies unfolding on their television screens: “Yes, let’s help with aid, but let’s not get any more involved.”

    I agree that we should avoid sending armies to fight or occupy. But we need to recognise that the brighter future we long for requires a long-term plan for our security as well as for our economy. True security will only be achieved if we use all our resources – aid, diplomacy, our military prowess – to help bring about a more stable world. Today, when every nation is so immediately interconnected, we cannot turn a blind eye and assume that there will not be a cost for us if we do.

    The creation of an extremist caliphate in the heart of Iraq and extending into Syria is not a problem miles away from home. Nor is it a problem that should be defined by a war 10 years ago. It is our concern here and now. Because if we do not act to stem the onslaught of this exceptionally dangerous terrorist movement, it will only grow stronger until it can target us on the streets of Britain. We already know that it has the murderous intent. Indeed, the first Isil-inspired terrorist acts on the continent of Europe have already taken place.

    Our first priority has of course been to deal with the acute humanitarian crisis in Iraq. We should be proud of the role that our brave armed services and aid workers have played in the international effort. British citizens have risked their lives to get 80 tons of vital supplies to the Yazidis trapped on Mount Sinjar. It is right that we use our aid programme to respond rapidly to a situation like this: Britain has given £13 million to support the aid effort. We also helped to plan a detailed international rescue operation and we remain ready and flexible to respond to the ongoing challenges in or around Dahuk, where more than 450,000 people have increased the population by 50 per cent.

     But a humanitarian response alone is not enough. We also need a broader political, diplomatic and security response. For that, we must understand the true nature of the threat we face. We should be clear: this is not the “War on Terror”, nor is it a war of religions. It is a struggle for decency, tolerance and moderation in our modern world. It is a battle against a poisonous ideology that is condemned by all faiths and by all faith leaders, whether Christian, Jewish or Muslim.

    Of course there is conflict between Shias and Sunnis, but that is the wrong way to see what is really happening. What we are witnessing is actually a battle between Islam on the one hand and extremists who want to abuse Islam on the other. These extremists, often funded by fanatics living far away from the battlefields, pervert the Islamic faith as a way of justifying their warped and barbaric ideology – and they do so not just in Iraq and Syria but right across the world, from Boko Haram and al-Shabaab to the Taliban and al-Qaeda.

    So this threat cannot simply be removed by airstrikes alone. We need a tough, intelligent and patient long-term approach that can defeat the terrorist threat at source.

    First, we need a firm security response, whether that is military action to go after the terrorists, international co-operation on intelligence and counter-terrorism or uncompromising action against terrorists at home. On Friday we agreed with our European partners that we will provide equipment directly to the Kurdish forces; we are now identifying what we might supply, from body armour to specialist counter-explosive equipment. We have also secured a United Nations Security Council resolution to disrupt the flows of finance to Isil, sanction those who are seeking to recruit for it and encourage countries to do all they can to prevent foreign fighters joining the extremist cause.

    Here in Britain we have recently introduced stronger powers through our Immigration Act to deprive naturalised Britons of their citizenship if they are suspected of being involved in terrorist activities. We have taken down 28,000 pieces of terrorist-related material from the web, including 46 Isil-related videos. And I have also discussed the police response to this growing threat of extremism with the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe. The position is clear. If people are walking around with Isil flags or trying to recruit people to their terrorist cause, they will be arrested and their materials will be seized. We are a tolerant people, but no tolerance should allow the room for this sort of poisonous extremism in our country.

    Alongside a tough security response, there must also be an intelligent political response. We know that terrorist organisations thrive where there is political instability and weak or dysfunctional political institutions. So we must support the building blocks of democracy – the rule of law, the independence of the judiciary, the rights of minorities, free media and association and a proper place in society for the army. None of these things can be imposed by the West. Every country must make its own way. But we can and must play a valuable role in supporting them to do that.

    Isil militants have exploited the absence of a unified and representative government in Baghdad. So we strongly welcome the opportunity of a new start with Iraqi Prime Minister-designate Haider al-Abadi. I spoke to him earlier this week and assured him that we will support any attempts to forge a genuinely inclusive government that can unite all Iraqi communities – Sunnis, Shias and Kurds – against the common enemy of Isil, which threatens the way of life of them all.

    The international community will rally around this new government. But Iraq’s neighbours in the region are equally vital. So we must work with countries like Saudi Arabia and Qatar, the UAE, Egypt and Turkey against these extremist forces, and perhaps even with Iran, which could choose this moment to engage with the international community against this shared threat. I want Britain to play a leading role in this diplomatic effort. So we will be appointing a Special Representative to the Kurdistan Regional Government and using the Nato summit in Wales and the United Nations General Assembly in New York to help rally support across the international community.

    Finally, while being tough and intelligent, we must also be patient and resolute. We are in the middle of a generational struggle against a poisonous and extremist ideology, which I believe we will be fighting for the rest of my political lifetime. We face in Isil a new threat that is single-minded, determined and unflinching in pursuit of its objectives. Already it controls not just thousands of minds, but thousands of square miles of territory, sweeping aside much of the boundary between Iraq and Syria to carve out its so-called caliphate. It makes no secret of its expansionist aims. Even today it has the ancient city of Aleppo firmly within its sights. And it boasts of its designs on Jordan and Lebanon, and right up to the Turkish border. If it succeeds, we would be facing a terrorist state on the shores of the Mediterranean and bordering a Nato member.

    This is a clear danger to Europe and to our security. It is a daunting challenge. But it is not an invincible one, as long as we are now ready and able to summon up the political will to defend our own values and way of life with the same determination, courage and tenacity as we have faced danger before in our history. That is how much is at stake here: we have no choice but to rise to the challenge


    And all that on Iraq  ISIS  is written by this man at telegraph.co.uk

     .... "Stability. Security. The peace of mind that comes from being able to get a decent job and provide for your family, ..........

    well that is NOT just England.. WHOLE WORLD,  ALL 7billion people are looking for same thing including millions of Iraqis(barring ISLAMIC BABOONS)  who were bombed by your govt and AMRIKA govt without thinking about the vacuum you are creating after that Saddam Hussein  

    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #691 - August 18, 2014, 04:10 PM

    To be fair it was uncle George and his nutcase nephew Bliar Yeez!
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #692 - August 19, 2014, 12:24 AM

    He's right, it does

    https://twitter.com/mujahid4life/status/500274884971614208

    Most Muslims are embarassed by this side of scripture and tradition.

    Lets hope the introspection that may be caused by this makes many question the belief in 'flawlessness' of Islam, and a need at the very least to re-think the relation between religion and power because of what literalist religion does when it gets power




    Do you know what, some of these tweets from ISIS are becoming so unashamedly outrageous, that they almost seem to be a caricature of themselves, like its the EDL in disguise trying to make all muslims look bad.

    Kind of like a sick Poe's law.

    I am better than your god......and so are you.

    "Is the man who buys a magic rock, really more gullible than the man who buys an invisible magic rock?.......,...... At least the first guy has a rock!"
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #693 - August 19, 2014, 07:24 AM

    He's right, it does

    https://twitter.com/mujahid4life/status/500274884971614208

    Most Muslims are embarassed by this side of scripture and tradition.

    Lets hope the introspection that may be caused by this makes many question the belief in 'flawlessness' of Islam, and a need at the very least to re-think the relation between religion and power because of what literalist religion does when it gets power

    You must be joking. Cheesy All the Muslim spokespeople in Australia have been falling over themselves to claim that nothing ISIS does is really Islamic. Introspection is about as likely as flying pigs.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #694 - August 19, 2014, 11:05 AM

    ISIS marching over 1000 men to be executed



    http://imgur.com/r/wtf/8SbRqE5

    http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/2dwvjf/sfw_isis_marching_over_1000_men_to_be_executed/

    Don't know if real but that is hauntingly creepy!
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #695 - August 19, 2014, 11:35 AM

    ^ about as many as the executed boys and men from Banu Quradha....

    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #696 - August 19, 2014, 11:56 AM

    ISIS marching over 1000 men to be executed

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    http://imgur.com/r/wtf/8SbRqE5

    http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/2dwvjf/sfw_isis_marching_over_1000_men_to_be_executed/

    Don't know if real but that is hauntingly creepy!

    well worse than that news is this one on that Iraq's Mosul Dam
    Quote
     ISIS booby traps Mosul Dam, which could unleash 18-metre-high wall of water on Iraq’s second largest city

    The American-backed offensive to recapture Iraq’s biggest dam stalled Monday, as fighters from the Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham rigged part of the area with booby traps and remotely triggered bombs. Whilst a series of air strikes by American F-18 fighter jets reportedly sent most of the jihadists fleeing from the central parts of Mosul dam, a network of landmines and planted explosives they left behind impeded Kurdish ground forces from recapturing the strategically vital terrain.

    “The jihadists have escaped from their positions beside the water pumps – the most important levers for the dam,” said Gen Kawa Kawani, the spokesman for the Kurdish special forces. “But we cannot enter the area because of the explosives.”  Kurdish peshmerga, Iraqi government troops and America joined forces over the weekend in an offensive to regain control of Mosul hydroelectric dam on the Tigris, a structure that provides water and electricity to hundreds of thousands of Iraqis in the region.
    Quote
    The dam, which holds back 11-billion cubic metres of water and produces more than 1,000 megawatts of electricity, has the potential to be used as a “weapon of mass destruction,” experts have warned.  If the dam is intentionally damaged – or even just not properly maintain, it could unleash a 18-metre-high wall of water that would submerge Mosul, Iraq’s second largest city, drowning hundreds of thousands of people, and even potentially flooding parts of Baghdad.

    U.S. fighter jets Monday launched 15 air strikes in areas around the dam, continuing the biggest U.S. offensive in Iraq since it pulled its troops from the country in 2011.

    “The failure of the Mosul dam could threaten the lives of large numbers of civilians, endanger U.S. personnel and facilities, including the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad, and prevent the Iraqi government from providing critical services to the Iraqi populace,” Mr. Obama said..........

    well read the rest at that link...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeNY60UO6Qg

    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #697 - August 19, 2014, 12:10 PM

    If that gets unleashed the soils will be ruined basically screwing any agriculture for decades thus impacting further into the future than that event on its own.
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #698 - August 19, 2014, 02:57 PM

    You must be joking. Cheesy All the Muslim spokespeople in Australia have been falling over themselves to claim that nothing ISIS does is really Islamic. Introspection is about as likely as flying pigs.

    There was uproar at the dinner table when I described ISIS as "religious fanatics". They're all like "they're not religious at ALL. What the hell? They're not even Muslim. Blah blah blah". My mum reckons Baghdadi and the leadership are Jews. It's hard to tell if she's joking or being serious. But man the outrage for referring to Islamic extremists as Islamic extremists was unbelievable Grin  
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #699 - August 19, 2014, 03:01 PM

    ..........My mum reckons Baghdadi and the leadership are Jews. It's hard to tell if she's joking or being serious. But man the outrage for referring to Islamic extremists as Islamic extremists was unbelievable Grin ... 

    I think she is right

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMutsQbOOGI

     if i take that Baghdadi's DNA sample  and run a maternal DNA profile of him with some Jewish guys from Israel I am sure it will show that they are related and he does have a Jewish DNA.  

    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #700 - August 19, 2014, 03:10 PM

    There was uproar at the dinner table when I described ISIS as "religious fanatics". They're all like "they're not religious at ALL. What the hell? They're not even Muslim. Blah blah blah". My mum reckons Baghdadi and the leadership are Jews. It's hard to tell if she's joking or being serious. But man the outrage for referring to Islamic extremists as Islamic extremists was unbelievable Grin  


    It's protectionistic Al-Alethia. They would feel too butthurt if the religion was in any way involved so they deny it is so. I think it is probably the disconnect as well between waht is actually written in the book and what they have been bought up with; a 'loving god', a 'merciful god' et cetera. They actually do not believe in Islam, they believe in their 'Islam'.
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #701 - August 19, 2014, 03:48 PM

    ... "they're not religious at ALL. What the hell? They're not even Muslim. Blah blah blah".


    Actually, that's pretty extremist doing takfeer on them Roll Eyes

    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #702 - August 19, 2014, 05:54 PM

    It's protectionistic Al-Alethia. They would feel too butthurt if the religion was in any way involved so they deny it is so. I think it is probably the disconnect as well between waht is actually written in the book and what they have been bought up with; a 'loving god', a 'merciful god' et cetera. They actually do not believe in Islam, they believe in their 'Islam'.


    Why not promote Fake islam then? I mean I'd rather Muslims be atheist but Fake Islam Muslims is a better alternative to Real Islam.
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #703 - August 19, 2014, 05:57 PM

    Fake Islam is OK, as long as it means you don't stick your head in the sand when ISIS type Islam rears its head. That doesn't seem to be what is happening, when it becomes an avoidance strategy its a problem.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #704 - August 19, 2014, 06:07 PM

    ^^^ Exactly billy

    Why not promote Fake islam then? I mean I'd rather Muslims be atheist but Fake Islam Muslims is a better alternative to Real Islam.


    Cause that would be conceding the point that Islam is fluid and not perfect Nergal!
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #705 - August 19, 2014, 07:00 PM

    Why not promote Fake islam then? I mean I'd rather Muslims be atheist but Fake Islam Muslims is a better alternative to Real Islam.


    There is a person called muslim atheism trying to spearhead that initiative.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #706 - August 19, 2014, 07:23 PM

    ISIS marching over 1000 men to be executed

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    http://imgur.com/r/wtf/8SbRqE5

    http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/2dwvjf/sfw_isis_marching_over_1000_men_to_be_executed/

    Don't know if real but that is hauntingly creepy!


    It's for real: http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/bestoftv/2014/08/16/nr-npw-pkg-isis-video-victims-families.cnn&video_referrer= (Trigger Warning: it's a another fucking "islamic state" video.)

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #707 - August 19, 2014, 07:38 PM

    Disturbing...fucking savages
    And nothing is being done to stop it...
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #708 - August 19, 2014, 07:39 PM

    Oh, that interview was so sad, the thing about him being reminded to watch the video and ignoring it for so long was heartbreaking.
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #709 - August 19, 2014, 07:47 PM

    " It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made great slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise." 8:67
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #710 - August 19, 2014, 08:12 PM

    Sick bastards. Where are the dawah fuck wits condemning this shit!? Come on iERA you cowards! The Hittin Institute?  THIS IS WORSE THAN GAZA!!!! Where are the anti-ISIS protests? Where the fuck is Maryam Francois, Tariq Ramadan, Nawaz, Warsi and that idiot from the New Statesman and all those other dawah knobs who claim that Islam is peace why aren't they ranting and raving and posting videos outright condemning those bastards!!! They should be demanding TV time to condemn and challenge the ISIS scum!   finmad  finmad  finmad

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #711 - August 19, 2014, 08:16 PM

    So sad, disgusting..  wouldnt you want to fight to death if you were in that situation, got nothing to lose, i guess you dont know how you would react until it happend to you.. What happend to the useless UN, they used to step in, show their presence atleast..
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #712 - August 19, 2014, 08:17 PM

    The Francois-Cerrah bitch is buisy with explaining how romantic it was when Mo fucked 9 year old Aishah. Ramadan only cares about "European Islam", and Nawaz is just being stupid as usual. Can't expect much from him. Our very own Tortoise on the other hand, has his hands full with figuring out his next dawah move and who he will plagiarize this time without anyone finding out.

    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #713 - August 19, 2014, 08:26 PM

    Nawaz is just being stupid as usual. Can't expect much from him.


    I think that's a little unfair to Majid Nawaz. He is one of the few Muslim commentators who I respect, as he is actually very honest and does indeed speak out against the double standards Muslims often reflect.
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #714 - August 19, 2014, 08:32 PM

    Ah yes of course, Majid is the only "real" (public) Muslim I like listening to. I mistook his name for the other one what's his face. A journalist, had Dawkins on his show. That's the one who's silly.

    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #715 - August 19, 2014, 08:34 PM

    Oh yeah I know the one you mean. I can't remember his name either. I saw him in a debate in Oxford. Pretty slippery character.
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #716 - August 19, 2014, 08:36 PM

    Ah yes of course, Majid is the only "real" (public) Muslim I like listening to. I mistook his name for the other one what's his face. A journalist, had Dawkins on his show. That's the one who's silly.


    Mehdi Hasan  Roll Eyes

    "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
     Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
     Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
     Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God." - Epicurus
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #717 - August 19, 2014, 08:37 PM

    Mehdi Hasan  Roll Eyes


    That's the fella! lol
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #718 - August 19, 2014, 08:37 PM

    Mehdi Hasan is the guy you mean. He hates Maajid Nawaz.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #719 - August 19, 2014, 08:38 PM

    ^  Yes that's the one! He hates Majid? Now I really don't like him.  Cry

    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
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