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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     OP - June 11, 2014, 07:01 PM

    I saw some experts saying that this is the most important and significant moment for Jihadism since 9/11


    Iraq is facing its gravest test since the US-led invasion more than a decade ago, after its army capitulated to Islamist insurgents who have seized four cities and pillaged military bases and banks, in a lightning campaign which seems poised to fuel a cross-border insurgency endangering the entire region.

    The extent of the Iraqi army's defeat at the hands of militants from the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (Isis) became clear on Wednesday when officials in Baghdad conceded that insurgents had stripped the main army base in the northern city of Mosul of weapons, released hundreds of prisoners from the city's jails and may have seized up to $480m in banknotes from the city's banks.

    Iraqi officials told the Guardian that two divisions of Iraqi soldiers - roughly 30,000 men - simply turned and ran in the face of the assault by an insurgent force of just 800 fighters. Isis extremists roamed freely on Wednesday through the streets of Mosul, openly surprised at the ease with which they took Iraq's second largest city after three days of sporadic fighting.

    Senior government officials in Baghdad were equally shocked, accusing the army of betrayal and claiming the sacking of the city was a strategic disaster that would imperil Iraq's borders.

    The developments seriously undermine US claims to have established a unified and competent military after more than a decade of training. The US invasion and occupation cost Washington close to a trillion dollars and the lives of more than 4,500 of its soldiers. It is also thought to have killed at least 100,000 Iraqis.

    In a day of extraordinary developments, Isis gunmen also encircled the city of Deir el-Zour across the border in Syria, kidnapped 80 Turkish citizens in two mass abductions, made advances in two other provinces and claimed to have successfully smuggled a huge weapons haul to eastern Syria's Hassaka province.

    Isis fighters rode unopposed into Saddam Hussein's birthplace of Tikrit. There, as in Mosul the day before, they quickly set up checkpoints, sacked government buildings and filled trucks with weapons and cash, some of which were quickly dispatched to Syria.

    Militants seized the Turkish consulate in Mosul and kidnapped the head of the diplomatic mission along with 24 staff members. A local police colonel told AFP he had spoken with the kidnappers who said those held "are safe with us" and would be moved to a "safer place". Turkish forces have targeted Isis forces in Syria.

    Militants also destroyed a police station in Baiji, site of Iraq's largest refinery. Local officials said the insurgents withdrew on Wednesday after local tribal leaders persuaded them not to seize the refinery and power stations.

    At least half a million residents of northern Iraq are reported to be on the move, with most attempting to flee to the Kurdish far north where border officials were overwhelmed and expecting refugee numbers to increase sharply in coming days.

    The UN said it was scrambling to deal with the crisis. Save the Children said: "We are witnessing one of the largest and swiftest mass movements of people in the world in recent memory. The majority of Iraqis fleeing Mosul had to escape in a matter of minutes."

    As security unravelled in the country's north and centre, the radical Shia Islamic leader Moqtadr al-Sadr threatened to reform the Mahdi army - a key protagonist in the sectarian war that nearly ripped Iraq apart in the wake of the US invasion. Militias had primacy nationwide during the worst of the war years and are once again ascendant as the Iraqi military's authority crumbles.

    Foreign minister Hoshyar Zebari urged Kurdish and central government leaders to set aside their differences to deal with the "mortal threat" facing the country. Kurdish authorities were letting nearly all new arrivals enter in an early sign of closer than normal cooperation.

    For a second day, the road between Mosul and Kirkuk was choked with cars full of families who described chaos in the city as troops beat an undignified retreat.

    Abu Abdulla, a 55-year-old who had just arrived in Irbil, said: "Suddenly the army withdrew and there was no army nor police, just the militants; we don't know where they are from; they are masked."

    So many soldiers had fled Mosul that the price of firearms plummeted as troops flooded the market with their service weapons, said Shirzad, a taxi driver at the border of Iraqi Kurdistan, who had been ferrying Iraqi army deserters from the checkpoint towards Kirkuk

    Isis released footage of large numbers of weapons and armoured military vehicles being received by members in eastern Syria, confirming fears that the looted weapons would fuel the insurgency on both sides of an increasingly irrelevant border. Sources in the Syrian city of Hassaka confirmed to the Guardian that large convoys of trucks carrying weapons arrived late on Tuesday and were met by a senior Isis figure, Omar al-Chechani.

    Statements released by the group claimed that the assault on Mosul was the beginning of the end of the Sykes Picot agreement - the post-colonial settlement which in 1916 enshrined the nation states of Syria and Lebanon and influenced the drawing of the Jordan and Iraq borders. Isis commanders say they are fighting to destroy the post-Ottoman nation state borders and restore a caliphate that submits to fundamentalist Islamic law.

    The group has been steadily building towards such an outcome, rampaging first through northern Syria and then back into Anbar province, the heartland of its earliest incarnation almost 10 years ago. Along the way, it has steadily accrued weapons and gained confidence, storming unopposed into towns and cities that were notionally protected by the best trained and armed military in the Arab world.

    However, Mosul is by far its biggest prize so far: a gain that will seriously undermine Nour al-Maliki's efforts to be renominated as prime minister for a third term - and cripple the standing of the military, regarded for the past three years as the most important institution in the land. Any counter-offensive against Isis is expected to be led instead by Kurdish Peshmurga forces, which remain fiercely loyal to Kurdish leaders, but not to Baghdad.

    A spokesperson for the Peshmurga, Brigadier General Halgord Hekmat, told the Guardian that "the sudden collapse of the Iraqi army has left us with no option but to fill some areas with our forces because we can't have a security vacuum on our border".

    Maliki accused some senior military figures of "negligence" and "betrayal", but attempted to deflect personal blame for the rout. As commander in chief, Maliki has ultimate responsibility for Iraq's armed forces and has presided over a series of spectacular defeats at the hands of Isis, starting last July when Abu Ghraib prison on Baghdad's western outskirts was overrun by the extremist group in a raid that freed several hundred convicted terrorists.

    In December parts of Fallujah and Ramadi - both former al-Qaida strongholds - were retaken by the group, which has ever since deterred Iraqi forces from trying to re-enter the cities and maintained a withering insurgency in the nearby countryside.

    "I know the reasons why the army collapsed," Maliki said. "But now is not the time to point the blame to whoever ordered the army to fall back. Even if it's a ploy, the generals who are responsible must be held accountable. A conspiracy has led Isis to occupy Mosul. Whoever is responsible will not get away with that they did."

    Most of the weapons seized by Isis were taken from the al-Qayara base in Mosul, the fourth largest in the country, after two divisions of the Iraqi army fled the city en masse on Tuesday, allowing a far smaller extremist force to enter.

    The haul included armoured humvees, rockets, tonnes of ammunition and assault weapons. Evidence of the large-scale desertion remained littered across the streets of the central city, with flak jackets, camouflage uniforms and ammunition clips being held up by insurgents as they celebrated their victory.

    Hamad al-Mutlaq, a member of the Iraqi parliament's defence committee, said: "I'm convinced that what happened in Mosul is deliberate negligence or there is an agreement between the parties because it's impossible for an army to be unable to stand up to a group made up of hundreds of men."

    "Isis can't have had more than a few thousand men versus two divisions made up of 30,000 Iraqi soldiers. This signifies that the army has been built on weak foundations. The Iraqi government is the one to blame and should be held responsible for this failure; it has been unable to build a healthy state and unable to defend it."

    Atheel al-Nujaifi, governor of Ninevah province, who fled Mosul along with the city's chief of police, said on Wednesday Iraqi authorities were determined to recapture the northern city.

    "Mosul is capable of getting back on its feet and getting rid of all the outsiders …and we have a plan to restore security," he said. "We have taken practical steps in order to restore order … by mobilising people into public committees that would retake the city."

    Al-Mutlaq believes the city has been lost to Isis. "I don't think the government is able to retake Mosul. After eight years, it shows that all its plans have been faulty," he said.

    Not all Mosul residents condemned the Isis rout. Ali Aziz, 35, a humanitarian worker, said: "We got statements by them confirming that they won't cause harm to anyone and all the minorities will be protected by them. They are really welcomed and we are so happy to have them rather than having Maliki's bloody, brutal forces.

    "I feel we have been liberated of an awful nightmare that was suffocating us for 11 years. The army and the police never stopped arresting, detaining and killing people, let alone the bribes they were taken from the detainees' families.

    "Me and my neighbours are waiting for the news that the other six Sunni protesting provinces falling in the hand of the Isis fighters to declare our Sunni region like the three provinces in Kurdistan."

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"

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  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #1 - June 11, 2014, 08:31 PM

    ISIS take Mosul

    ISIS.... Great..

    Thank you Bush.. Thank you AMRIKA., Now International Society  of Islamic  SCOUNDRELS can rule the land and control the Oil but I am sure the war will continue until Oil fields back in the hands of Seven Sisters..

    ISIS Takes Control Of Mosul, Iraq's Second Largest City Full Video from BBC

    Meet ISIS, the Islamic Militant Group That Took Mosul ......he New York Times

    Half A Million People Forced To Fled Mosul.

    ..Seven Sisters.. .. How the hell any one names criminals at high places as sisters??

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #2 - June 11, 2014, 08:38 PM

    Interesting times. whistling2

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #3 - June 11, 2014, 09:18 PM

    There is a widespread tendency for people to refer to any frightening group of Islamists as al-Qaeda. It's sort of like Texans referring to any sort of soft drink as a "coke". However, details matter when we're trying to understand the actions of heavily armed and dangerously violent psychopaths so let's start with the relationship between ISIS and Zawahiri :

        Though the ISIS is mostly referred to as an al-Qaeda affiliate, information seems
        to confirm the opposite, namely that the ISIS is not representative of al-Qaeda in Iraq.
        On 03 February 2014, al-Qaeda general command published a media statement on
        jihadi websites stating that the ISIS is not "a branch of the al-Qaeda group".

        ISIS members pledge of allegiance is to the ISIS leader al-Baghdadi and not to Sheikh
        Zawahiri (al-Qaeda central command). this is reflected in an ISIS nasheed (a song that
        carries with it an Islamic belief and/or practice) released during 2013 in which it states (translated version):

        “They have closed ranks and pledged bay’ah to Baghdadi, For [he is] our amir in our Iraq and ash-Sham."

        The ISIS non-affiliation with al-Qaeda was also evident in Sheik Zawahiri (al-Qaeda central command) calling during 2013 for the dissolution of ISIS, anticipating that Sheikh Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi would accept authority and control from al-Qaeda central command.

    If you are confused by the media references to al-Qaeda in the surge of ISIS stories it is probably because there's so much inconsistency in how the group is discussed - even among experts who acknowledge the rift with al-Qaeda central. And it is probably safe to say that the relationship will continue to evolve. Whatever you call them though the broader movement that they both represent will undoubtedly benefit from the massive upsurge in ISIS's strength and capabilities. The group now:

        Controls significant territory in northern and central Iraq
        Has seized an untold, but undoubtedly significant, amount of operations-fueling cash from Iraqi banks.
        Has captured vast amounts of military hardware and weapons from Iraqi forces - much of it supplied by the United States.
        Controls a significant portion of Iraq's oil production facilities and will likely control more soon.
        Is surprisingly close to realizing their goal of an Islamic state that spans Iraq and Syria.

    I could go on. Bad news is flooding in around the clock. This is a tremendously worrying destabilization that will create an environment in which only really terrible things happen. Jessica Lewis and Ahmed Ali of ISW have given some thought to where all of this is heading and paint a pretty dire picture:

        Iraq's security forces will not be able to retake all of the ground they have lost. They may not even be able to hold what they still have. The best-case scenario is a stalemate in which Iraqis manage to contain the ISIS state and army for now. The more likely case is the creation of another Syrian-style conflict pitting ISIS with increasing international support against desperate and increasingly brutal Iraqi Shi'a militias and ISF elements. The two civil wars, which have now completely merged, will continue to expand, destabilizing an already unstable Middle East and inviting further intervention by the Sunni Arab states and Iran. In the very worst case, the fall of Mosul could be a step down the path to outright regional war.

    If there is any hope at all, and I am not sure that there is, it might be in that ISIS has overextended itself and the terrible performance by Iraqi forces has made them appear far more formidable than they actually are. Attacking and destabilizing areas that are so poorly defended is relatively easy. Securing cities and holding them long-term will be far more difficult, especially as forces inside Iraq (and quite possibly from beyond) rise to counter their momentum.

    I should also add that the significance of their military hardware seizures is also somewhat overstated. The weapons grab is a very big win for the group but utilizing the advanced hardware (especially aircraft) in a meaningful way is just not possible without the significant training and support resources that ISIS does not have. The captured small arms and ground transport will be far more useful.

    ISIS may not get their state or hold it for long. But their reach, resources, and brand are all now likely strong enough to survive giving back some of their recent gains. The group is now a massive player in a massive problem that may continue to worsen for quite some time.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"

    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #4 - June 11, 2014, 09:22 PM

    ^Very informative.
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #5 - June 11, 2014, 11:04 PM

    This broke my heart.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #6 - June 11, 2014, 11:59 PM

    It's a cataclysm that may take hundreds of years to get over.

    One of many such cataclysms that ancient part of the world has got over.
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #7 - June 12, 2014, 12:52 AM

    ^ Shit post, sorry. Portentous shit to boot.
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #8 - June 12, 2014, 04:29 AM

    its so weird reading the tones of these news sites compared to the tone on Arabic news. Anyway this was disturbing.."Isis kids"

    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #9 - June 12, 2014, 04:35 AM

    Fucking hell... That's absolutely disturbing and depressing :(
    @0:26 - The cutest allahu akbar I've ever heard!

  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #10 - June 12, 2014, 02:57 PM

    This pic is from twitter. Such a bizarre and unsettling gang of havoc raisers these jihadists are.

    The cake reads: The soldiers of Riqqa Province celebrate the liberation of Mosul.

  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #11 - June 12, 2014, 07:35 PM

    Maliki's most solemn hour. Partial quote:

    Disillusionment with Maliki's sectarian agenda, power-grabs, and refusal to reign in the abuses of federal forces has been coupled with a worsening economic situation in the area as ISIS and its sometimes-allied fellow insurgents milked Iraq's second largest city for all it was worth: Iraq is, after all, the treasury of several Islamist militias fighting in Syria thanks to smuggling, Islamic charities, and plain old-fashioned extortion, theft, or ransom demands. Local media reported that, trusting less in the Iraqi Army than in protection money, Mosul's well-to-do chose to pay ISIS not to attack over paying the security services to defend. Unfortunately for them, ISIS's Mosul organization was not the Italian 'Ndrangheta. The local governor, Adheel al-Nujaifi, did not acknowledge such unpleasant details in his post-loss tirade against the security forces. But mass desertion and retreat was the result of this ill-advised trade off: the roads out of the city are littered with discarded army and police uniforms.

    The Mosul area is home to Kurdish peshmerga now gearing up to fight ISIS where the security services have not. Despite an announcement from ISIS that it has no beef with the Kurds, clashes have been reported and the road to Kirkuk is in ISIS's hands. The Kurds are not fighting for Maliki's sake, though, but for their own autonomous region. Militarily, the federal government may only really be able to rely on the U.S.-trained Special Operations brigades - which did force ISIS to retreat from the city of Samarra, hometown of ISIS's leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, with heavy losses - air force, and a handful of regular army divisions.

    None of these well-trained and politically reliable units were on hand in Mosul this week, though, and a large chunk of the Iraqi military is tied up in Al Anbar in a reprisal campaign against anti-government militias that took over the major towns there earlier in 2014. Shortages plague the regular army, and the national police have little stomach for enduring the constant assaults on their stations. The city effectively fell overnight: the main government offices, the northern dams supplying power and water to central Iraq, the airport, and the oil fields are all in ISIS's hands now. Watching the loss - and the militants parading around in captured Humvees - must be especially galling for the U.S. military because the 101st Airborne Division's initial occupation of Mosul a decade ago was hailed as an exception to the rule of anarchy in the rest of the country. Mosul was actually a "model" for the Surge and the "Awakening" that followed the worst of the internal violence in Iraq under the U.S. Occupation (2003-2011), especially in Fallujah, to the southwest.

    For its part, Fallujah - site of two bloody battles after 2005 - has been outside of Baghdad's control for some months. Not that it was ever fully under federal or even U.S. authority during the Surge. Though ISIS is present, the city's loss is far more the result of the "Awakening's" politics being well past their sell date in the region. The Sunni Arab "Sons of Iraq" tribal movement could have been a significant moment in Iraqi state building there. But it was ultimately compromised by the inability of Maliki's government to accept the legitimacy of the movement. Prior to the Sons' formation, the incessant attacks on Sunni communities by Shia militias and terrorists meant that many Sunnis decided not to trust the new authorities: as Phil Williams wrote in 2009, "the very force that was designed to protect them [the Iraqi national police] preyed on them instead, engaging in sectarian killings, extortion, robberies, and kidnapping." In response to this, and the depredations of al Qaeda, Iraqi Sunnis began organizing themselves into self-defense leagues and soliciting U.S. assistance (mainly in the form of air support and monies that Iraqi officials either did not have or were hoarding). Eventually, these militias were turned on the nebulous "al Qaeda in Iraq" jihadists, men who were led by foreigners and had displayed again and again a complete inability to govern the Sunni areas they took over. By 2011, when the U.S. left the county, most Iraqis had turned on this bandit coalition and (with sufficient U.S. "inducement") many influential tribal leaders put their men on the barricades to repulse the terrorists, rather than ordering them to mortar checkpoints alongside them.

    When Sunni leaders went to Baghdad cap in hand to obtain official blessing for their militias during the Surge, the Maliki government very reluctantly granted it, and then stalled on implementing the understandings that had been reached. This was due to the Shia leaders' fears of arming groups that only weeks before had been fighting in the anti-government camp, something that the U.S. did not seem to grasp on its way out of Iraq. This federal recalcitrance, in turn, convinced some of the Sons of Iraq that they were better off keeping their arms and rejecting vague promises of official recognition and salaries. And after the contested 2010 elections that returned Maliki to power - before the U.S. even left the country, it is worth noting - Al Anbar found itself heading back to where it was before the "Awakening" began.

    The catalyst for the (third?) Battle of Fallujah in January 2014, though, was not spillover from Syria but a disastrous raid on a Sunni protest camp by federal forces. The two "Arab Spring-style" protest camps set up in that city and nearby Ramadi were set upon by the federal authorities; Sunni clerics began calling for open revolt against Baghdad to defend the protestors. ISIS took advantage of the chaos to organize in the city, yet the initial revolt - and the people the government and local sheiks have been trying to talk down from the barricades - was staged by fed-up local militias who had formally been the guarantors of a cold peace. Maliki's deputy PM Saleh al-Mutlaq contends that the typical heavy-handed response of Baghdad to an assassination in the province - unrelated to the demonstrations - killed the cold peace that had been maintained by the "Sons of Iraq."

    Sunni grievances against the government are real and legion: job discrimination, undue prosecution of activists, human rights violations by the police, welfare cuts that "punish" the Sunnis for their collaborationist role in past dictatorships. Well before this uprising, "the Sunnis [had] lost faith in the political process and the jihadists were once again able to make inroads among them." Hence the castle-building Iraqi political factions all continue to engage in, because it is one death squad or another if you try to play honestly by constitutional rules the Maliki government itself doesn't respect. "State collapse produces sectarianism - not the other way around," as James Fromson at the Middle East Institute writes. ISIS and the federal government agree on one thing implicitly: there is an Iraqi nation, but there is only a weak state grafted onto it, and representatives of different factions should seek to capture it for their own in-group. This mistrust, and not the Syrian Civil War alone, ultimately collapsed the uneasy power-sharing arrangements the "Awakening" had brokered between local (predominantly Sunni) and provincial authorities. Sunnis are also angered by Maliki's alliance with Iran, which in practical terms allows the IRGC to fly men, material, and money over the country into Lebanon or into Syria to back Assad.

  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #12 - June 12, 2014, 08:17 PM

    Iraqi Kurdish forces take Kirkuk as Isis sets its sights on Baghdad says news

    The crisis in Iraq escalated rapidly on Thursday as Iraqi Kurdish forces took control of key military installations in the major oil city of Kirkuk and the Sunni jihadi group Isis revealed its intention to move on Baghdad and cities in the southern Shia heartland. Kurdish peshmerga fighters entered Kirkuk after the central government's army abandoned its posts in a rapid collapse during which it lost control of much of the country's north.

    Iraq has a Shia majority, with a substantial Sunni minority concentrated in Baghdad and the provinces north and west, who have long complained of being disenfranchised. Iraqi Kurds enjoy a large degree of autonomy and self-government in the north-east but have long coveted Kirkuk, a city with huge oil reserves which they regard as their historical capital.

    About 500,000 people have fled Mosul, home to 2 million, and the surrounding province, many seeking safety in autonomous Kurdistan. Isis's spokesman, Abu Mohammed al-Adnani, said on Thursday that the group's fighters intended to take the southern cities of Kerbala and Najaf, which hold two of the holiest shrines for Shia Muslims

    trust me you rogues  enter in to Kerbala you will NOT GO OUT OF THAT CITY ALIVE with Amrika or without Amrika help.. Those days of controlling Karbala from Sand land is over., the better thing to do is go back in to SAND LAND replace the king and make it as ISIS CALIPH kingdom..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #13 - June 12, 2014, 08:29 PM

    The battle for Baghdad is nigh: Thousands of men answer Iraqi government's call to arms as ISIS jihadists bear down on capital

        Iraq's government has indicated a willingness for the US military to conduct airstrikes against radical Islamist militants

        Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant have taken over Iraq's second biggest city Mosul and town of Tikrit

        Government forces have stalled the militants' advance near Samarra, a city just 110km (68 miles) north of Baghdad

        ISIS's goal is to create a Islamic caliphate (state) - it already controls territory in eastern Syria and western/central Iraq

        Iraq's parliament were to hold an emergency session today but it was postponed due to a opposition boycott

        Kurdish forces are in full control of Iraq's oil city of Kirkuk after the federal army abandoned their posts

        Iran has sent special forces and a unit of elite troops to Iraq to assist the Iraqi government halt the advance

        Turkey is negotiating for the release of 80 nationals held by Islamist militants in Mosul

        Iraqi air force is bombing insurgent positions in and around Mosul - 1.3 million citizens still remain in the city

        Oil price hit a three-year high this morning on worries that supply could be disrupted

    Yap forget the people death and destruction but controlling OIL and OIL PRICES is important...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #14 - June 12, 2014, 09:55 PM

    So is this a full out civil war? The new services here have barely covered the situation beyond Mosul.
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #15 - June 12, 2014, 10:00 PM

    No. There's nothing civil about it.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #16 - June 12, 2014, 10:18 PM

    I had been wondering when something like this would finally happen. The situation in Iraq is one you definitely don't hear about on the news here anymore. Just earlier this week I had watched an hour + long daash propaganda video, and calling it brutal would be putting it lightly.
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #17 - June 12, 2014, 10:23 PM

    The situation in Iraq is one you definitely don't hear about on the news here anymore.

    Hey, mission accomplished. parrot

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #18 - June 12, 2014, 10:28 PM

    Yeahh, that never lasts long for us re Iraq.  wacko
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #19 - June 12, 2014, 10:30 PM

    As soon as I saw that twat marching around in his little cowboy boots, I just knew the shit was going to hit the fan.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #20 - June 12, 2014, 11:20 PM

    Mosul Seized: Jihadis Loot $429m from City's Central Bank to Make Isis World's Richest Terror Force

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #21 - June 13, 2014, 12:34 AM

    It was nice knowing you Iraq...

    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #22 - June 13, 2014, 12:42 AM

    This seems to me to be a sign of the weakness of Iraq rather than the strength of ISIS. They've been fighting Assad for years and not taken a single major city from him. there is even talk that Assad actually purposefully goes soft on them because the longer they remain the more legitimacy he has in the world because he is fighting terrorists.

    yet USA could take all of Assad's cities in a couple of weeks if they had the will. if ISIS captures any oil fields i think the US will come down hard on them. but until that time, the best way to fight terrorism is to stand back and watch them kill other Muslims and become more and more hated. this obviously sucks for the poor Syrian and Iraqi people of course.
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #23 - June 13, 2014, 10:41 AM

    This is just too sad. I didn't know the Iraqi army was that unbelievably incompetent; 30,000 soldiers with U.S. weaponry/ equipment/training just up and ran at the sight of 800 AK-wielding jihadis. It's madness. Assad has been able to hold off these guys with worse odds. 

    The Iraq war was probably the single biggest mistake in the last decade. Sadly, Iraq isn't really viable as a unified state, I don't think it ever was. How feasible is partition on ethnic/sectarian lines? Not sure how exactly the lines will be drawn (who takes Baghdad? Kirkuk?) and how it'll be possible to negotiate with ISIS given their blatantly imperialistic aspirations for the rest of the region but I can't see Iraq working long-term. It's a shame any independent Sunni state will be an ISIS-run hellhole. 
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #24 - June 13, 2014, 10:55 AM

    Good post, Miss Alethia.
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #25 - June 13, 2014, 12:37 PM

    ...........How feasible is partition on ethnic/sectarian lines? Not sure how exactly the lines will be drawn (who takes Baghdad? Kirkuk?) ............

    It is already partitioned for all the practical purposes as the land for Kurds, Shais and Sunnis

    that map above gives you the info...the only thing that is left to distribute/fight for  is the  OIL UNDER ITS LAND.  The ISIS guys of Syria are slightly different from ISIS of Iraq., In Iraq it is actually former Baathist soldiers,supporters of Saddam party that are firing the bullets    off course blame is going to those ISIS Jihadi FOOLS

    than you thank you for all that AMRIKA.....The great freedom loving democratic super power of this little planet..

    fucking shit.........

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  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #26 - June 13, 2014, 01:27 PM

    American Politicians on Present state of Iraq...

    Obama: Iraq 'Needs More Help' From U.S

    Obama and McCain clash over handling of Iraq

    Almost 5,000 Americans Died In Iraq For What!!!!!

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  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #27 - June 13, 2014, 02:03 PM

    The Young Turks...........John McCain LIVID Over Iraqi Turmoil He Helped Create

    Bill O'Reilly on America's Bad Spring, The Border, Iraq Tottering, and Obama's Collapse

    Gingrich 'U.S. Must Use Airstrikes In Iraq'

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  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #28 - June 13, 2014, 02:12 PM

    fools and poodles in power....

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  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #29 - June 13, 2014, 02:34 PM

    ^I don't even want to hear it from those in power who were instrumental in promoting the war years ago. Now that popular opinion has turned, they have, too, and they're trying to completely dissociate themselves from their mess.
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