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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1440 - October 13, 2014, 09:09 PM

    Yes, I don't think that anyone is denying that Iraq war played a role, but the leaders of today can only play the hand they have been dealt by their antecedents, and the situation they see. Do you think we should even have a supporting role or a total hands-off 'let them deal with it' attitude?

    There are groups that are pleading for arms and heavy weaponry to save their people, and argue that by doing nothing the West is turning a blind eye to their fate. Look at the rage that the Kurds are firing up in Turkey for their inaction against isis in Kobane. Turkey is a NATO member don't forget so correct me if I am wrong, if it gets attacked then we are, as signatories to the Treaty, would it not be an obligation to get involved?


    Turkey has troops and tanks parked right across the border, literally within sight of Kobane.  And they are doing nothing, even though they would be perfectly capable of intervening.  So why is a NATO member not doing anything when its arms and troops are within a few hundred yards of Kobane, while mass murder, rape and atrocities are being committed in front of them?

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1441 - October 13, 2014, 09:15 PM

    Yes, I don't think that anyone is denying that Iraq war played a role, but the leaders of today can only play the hand they have been dealt by their antecedents, and the situation they see. Do you think we should even have a supporting role or a total hands-off 'let them deal with it' attitude?

    I don't know.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1442 - October 14, 2014, 03:59 AM

    Maybe the "global community" - which really means the US and its hangers on - should stop taking action and leave the Middle East to sort its own affairs.


    Are the fighters of ISIS allowing the middle east to sort its own affairs? In my opinion full intervention by Western armies is completely justified. The problem is it cannot be done because of the conditions created by the invasion of Iraq. There are always unintended consequences of military action. At least this much was predictable before it started.

    Do ISIS exist because of the Iraq invasion? I think probably not. I think the Arab Spring and the resulting power vacuum would have occurred anyway. The point is that it would now be possible to act wholeheartedly if the invasion of Iraq hadn't happened.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1443 - October 14, 2014, 01:02 PM

    Turkey will fix it inshallah:

    Turkish President Declares Lawrence of Arabia a Bigger Enemy than ISIS

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    In a stunning speech, Erdogan railed against Western “spies” and journalists and seemed to endorse the ISIS plan to redraw the region’s borders.

    GAZIANTEP, Turkey — Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan took on the iconic Lawrence of Arabia Monday in a furious anti-Western diatribe.  The Turkish president compared the outside meddling in the region now to the role the renowned British army officer played during the Arab Revolt against the Ottomans during World War I. And Western diplomats here say the tirade bears a rather striking resemblance to some of the propaganda that has come out of the so-called Islamic State, widely known by the acronym ISIS or ISIL.

    Last week, stung by Western criticism of Turkey’s conspicuous absence from the U.S.-led air combat against the terror organization, and the refusal of the Turkish government to rescue the besieged town of Kobani, just across the Syrian border, Erdoğan insisted he had no sympathy for the jihadists.

    But on one very important point of history and geography it now appears there’s a serious convergence of views between ISIS and Erdoğan. In his speech Monday at a university in Istanbul, the Turkish president blasted the Sykes-Picot Agreement, a secret understanding (signed behind Lawrence’s back) that divided up the Middle East after World War I between British and French spheres of influence. That deal opened the way for a British vow to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine and led to borders drawn by the European powers that created modern Syrian and Iraq. Historian David Fromkin summed up the mess that resulted in the title of his book The Peace to End All Peace.

    “Each conflict in this region has been designed a century ago,” said Erdoğan. “It is our duty to stop this.”

    In point of fact, T. E. Lawrence was opposed to the secret Anglo-French agreement, because it reneged on promises given the Arabs by London in a bid to persuade them to revolt against Ottoman Turkish rule. He tried mightily to sabotage the deal. But Erdoğan is either unaware of that or sought to simplify history.

    ISIS, meanwhile, has done some simplifying of its own, and on similar lines. Its militants say explicitly they are out to erase the borders that Sykes-Picot established across most of the modern Middle East. In the summer, after sweeping in from Syria to seize Mosul, the second largest city in Iraq, they produced a video called, yes,  ”The End of Sykes Pico,” in which they blew up a border outpost and leveled part of the earthen barrier on the Iraqi-Syrian border. They declared triumphantly they would bulldoze other Western-imposed borders as well.

    The Erdoğan speech was suffused with an angry anti-Western narrative—he also tilted at Western journalists, accusing them of being spies—and will no doubt thrill some of Erdoğan’s supporters. In southern Turkey, some local officials in his Justice and Development Party (AKP) express sympathy for ISIS. But it will ring alarm bells in Western capitals at a time coalition officials are redoubling their efforts to try to persuade a reluctant Turkish government to play a forward-leaning part in the American-led war on the jihadists.

    Turkey is considered crucial if President Barack Obama’s war aim to “degrade and defeat” ISIS is to be accomplished. The country has been the main logistical base for the Islamic militants, the main transit country for foreign fighters to enter neighboring Syria and a key source of it’s revenue from the smuggling of oil tapped in captured oil fields. In his determination to topple Syrian President Bashar Assad, Erdoğan has been accused of at best turning a blind eye to the rise of ISIS and at worst actively encouraging it.

    At the weekend U.S. officials announced a breakthrough in their efforts to persuade Turkey to become a frontline ally, saying the Turkish government had agreed that a NATO airbase at Incirlik could be used by the anti-ISIS coalition. But the Turkish government was ominously silent Monday on that score and just hours after Erdoğan’s speech Turkish officials denied they had agreed U.S. warplanes could use Incirlik air base for attacks on Islamic militants.

    Erdoğan’s comments Monday give a glimpse into the Turkish leadership’s reasons for denying the use of Incirlik. And they augur badly for the overall effort, revealing the deep level of distrust the Turkish president harbors for the West. Certainly the speech suggests that American hopes of persuading Turkey to come fully on board are misplaced.

    About T.E. Lawrence—who is still viewed as a hero in the West and by many Arabs—the Turkish President showed nothing but disdain, then used Lawrence as a vehicle to heap opprobrium on others. Erdoğan dismissed the British officer as “an English spy disguised as an Arab.” And he told the university audience—the speech was televised—that Westerners are “making Sykes-Picot agreements hiding behind freedom of press, a war of independence or jihad.”

    Erdoğan argued there are modern-day Lawrences in Turkey right now “disguised as journalists, religious men, writers and terrorists.” And the remark was especially ominous on the day five foreign journalists—three of them German—were hauled before a court for a preliminary hearing in the southeastern Turkey of Diyarbakır, following their arrests at the weekend by anti-terrorist police. They had been covering Kurds protesting Turkey’s refusal to help save the besieged Syrian border town of Kobani, where Kurdish men and women have fought off an ISIS onslaught for 28 days.

    “We were photographing Kurdish protesters building a barricade and we were accused of being provocateurs and of encouraging them to do so and of engaging in espionage,” says German freelance photographer Christian Grodotzki. “As they arrested us they pushed us around and punched two of us and some German tourists were there and they kicked one of them in the stomach. It was a pretty rough arrest. They tried really hard to get us to confirm we were spies or trick us into signing false confessions.”

    The journalists have now been released but the cases against them will be continued. Grodotzki says Erdoğan’s remarks about journalists being spies is likely to be seen by the police as the go-ahead for a no-holds barred approach towards the Western media.

    This isn’t a speech one expects from an ally, especially when there are delicate negotiations going on,” says an Istanbul-based European diplomat. “It reveals starkly what we are up against when it comes to Erdoğan.” Another diplomat said: “The Turks are determined to ensure that whatever happens in Syria post-Assad, it is seen as their sphere of influence and they have two aims: to keep Iran at bay and keep the West out.”


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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1444 - October 14, 2014, 05:19 PM

    I read that Turkey supported the Muslim Brotherhood.

    To be blunt, is Turkey actively supporting ISIS to destroy the kurds and shias?

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1445 - October 14, 2014, 05:27 PM

    Quite likely, yes.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1446 - October 14, 2014, 06:29 PM

    Here we go:

    Iraq descends into anarchy: Shia militias 'abducting and killing Sunni civilians in revenge for Isis attacks'

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    The re-emergence of the militias and the failure to rebuild the Iraqi army is torpedoing the US and British policy of supporting a more inclusive and less sectarian government
    PATRICK COCKBURN  Author Biography   Tuesday 14 October 2014

    Iraq is descending into savage sectarian warfare as government-backed Shia militias kill, torture and hold for ransom any Sunni whom they detain. Isis is notorious for its mass killings of Shia, but retaliation by Shia militiamen means that Iraq is returning to the levels of sectarian slaughter last seen in the Sunni-Shia civil war of 2006-07 when tens of thousands were murdered.

    The Shia militias have become the main fighting force of the Baghdad government since the Iraqi army was defeated by Isis when it took northern Iraq in June. According to a detailed Amnesty International report published today, the militias enjoy total immunity in committing war crimes against the Sunni community, often demanding large ransoms but killing their victims even when the money is paid.

    The re-emergence of the Shia militias and the failure to rebuild the Iraqi army is torpedoing the US and British policy of supporting a more inclusive and less sectarian government in Baghdad. The aim was to create a government that could reach out to Iraq’s five or six million-strong Sunni community and seek to turn it against Isis. But, since the militias treat all Sunni men as Isis fighters or supporters, the Sunni are left with no choice but to stick with the jihadi militants.

    The report cites a member of the Asa’ib Ahl al-Haq, one of the largest militias, on duty at a checkpoint north of Baghdad, saying: “If we catch ‘those dogs’ [Sunni] coming down from the Tikrit we execute them; in those areas they are all working with Daesh [Isis]. They come to Baghdad to commit terrorist crimes. So we have to stop them.”

    In addition to sectarian motives, militias such as Asa’ib Ahl al-Haq, the Badr Brigades, Kata’ib Hezbollah and Saraya al-Salam are thoroughly criminalised. One mother said: “I begged friends and acquaintances to lend me the ransom money to save my son, but after I paid they killed him and now I have no way to pay back the money I borrowed, as my son was the only one working in the family.”

    Moving on the roads has become lethally dangerous for Sunni even before Isis launched its summer offensive. On the afternoon of 30 May two cousins, Majed, a 31-year-old ministry of education employee and father of three, and Nayef, an engineer, were abducted at a checkpoint when they went to Tikrit from Baghdad to pick up furniture.

    A $90,000 (£56,000) ransom was demanded and paid but they were later found handcuffed and shot in the head. A Sunni businessman called Salem, 43, was kidnapped from his factory at al-Taji and, though a ransom was paid, his body was later found with his head smashed in either by a large calibre bullet or some form of club.

    American and British ministers have lauded the new government in Baghdad under Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi as being less sectarian than that of his predecessor, Nouri al-Maliki, whom he replaced in August.

    But in practice, Mr Abadi’s administration is much like the old. “For now nothing is different,” says Donatella Rovera, Amnesty International’s senior crisis response adviser. “Shia militias are way more important than the army and are running the show.” Even if it wanted to the government would have difficulty in bringing them under control. Ms Rovera says: “In terms of sectarian violence we are back to the levels of 2006-07.”

    The militia gunmen frequently act in co-ordination with the police and army. Their victims are Christian as well as Sunni. One Christian family, threatened with death by three militiamen unless they paid a large sum, fled the country but without telling the police.

    The report comments that the fact that the family thought it would be unsafe and unwise to tell the police “speaks volumes about the atmosphere of lawlessness in the capital, where [Shia] militias know they can act with impunity.”

    One reason the Sunni community first protested and supported armed resistance against the government has been the knowledge that they could be detained and tortured by government forces at any time.

    Uda Taha Kurdi, 33, a lawyer, was arrested at the Baghdad Central Court on 10 June. Two weeks later his family was told he had suffered from “a health problem” and had died, a judge alleging that he was “from a terrorist family” and was “from the IS leadership”. A forensic examination of Mr Kurdi’s body concluded that he had probably been killed by electrical torture with electrodes attached to his calf and little toe.

    The overall plan of Mr Obama and his allies to find a reliable ally on the ground in Baghdad who could woo the Sunni has failed to make progress, despite the departure of Mr Maliki. Mr Abadi has still to get his choice for the defence and interior ministries accepted by parliament.

    Meanwhile, Isis has seized all of Anbar province west of Baghdad, defeating the Iraqi army despite the support of US airpower. One of the last two army bases in Anbar fell on Monday as Isis began moving towards west Baghdad.

    The inability of the Baghdad government to field a national army and its reliance on militias means that Iraq is in the last stages of disintegration. The few mixed Sunni-Shia areas are disappearing.

    In places where the army and militias have retaken towns such as Amerli, north of Baghdad, the inhabitants of nearby Sunni villages have fled. The final break-up of Iraq has become a fact.



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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1447 - October 14, 2014, 06:38 PM

    Right. That's that then. Game over.

    ETA: Looks like the only ones worth supporting in the entire region are the Kurds, but nobody will do that. Poor fuckers.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1448 - October 14, 2014, 06:50 PM

    The Kurds in Iraq - which are somewhat allied with Turkey - get a lot of support and weapons now.

    Germany to send Iraqi Kurds enough weapons for 4,000 fighters

    France to send arms to Iraqi Kurds

    Iraq conflict: Canada to fly weapons to Kurdish forces battling ISIS

    Peshmerga Begin Training on New Weapons Sent by France, US

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    Spokesman for the Peshmerga Ministry Halgord Hikmat stated that “the US, UK, France, Germany, Canada, Finland and Italy, along with a few other countries, are ready to send weapons to the Kurdistan Region.”


    Since then Northern Iraq has been somewhat stabilised and several villages and towns have been taken back from IS by the Kurds - often in alliance with the local Sunni tribes as they very understandable rather want to be "liberated" by Kurdish forces than extremist Shia militias.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1449 - October 14, 2014, 06:53 PM

    Yeah but at the moment this is predicated on the mythical country of Iraq being salvageable, in a sort of bizarre attempt to atone* for the Iraq War. If it becomes clear even to the die hard optimists that Iraq as it was no longer exists, how long do you think anyone will really bother to keep supporting the Kurds?


    *Well, also to assure Western electorates that the efforts weren't wasted.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1450 - October 15, 2014, 08:24 AM

    Not just the kurds who deserve support but the fsa poor bastards are the forgotten resistance.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1451 - October 15, 2014, 08:52 AM

    Those left that haven't joined Islamic Front, Jabhat al-Nusra nor the Islamic State.

    Perhaps the amalgamation we now see will help.

    This is a couple of weeks old:

    Syrian rebel groups unite to fight ISIS

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    Antakya, Turkey (CNN) -- More than 20 Syrian rebel commanders, including members of Christian opposition groups, have signed off on what they called a historic agreement to unite in the fight against ISIS and President Bashar al-Assad's forces.

    The deal came out of a meeting Thursday in Turkey facilitated by staff from the U.S. House Foreign Affairs Committee and the Washington-based Syrian Emergency Task Force. Two U.S. congressmen sat in on the final negotiations between the groups, just days after Congress signed off on President Barack Obama's call to arm and train moderate rebels to fight ISIS.

    Under the agreement, moderate Muslim rebel groups fighting under the Supreme Military Council of Syria agreed to form an alliance with the predominantly Christian Syriac Military Council. It marks the first meeting between Syrian rebels and members of Congress since Obama announced the new policy.

    Envisioning a free Syria

    The agreement calls for the groups to work together to assure any free Syria will be inclusive of all ethnic, religious and political parties. While the group called it historic, it may at this stage be only a symbolic gesture given that these groups are already fighting alongside each other against al-Assad's forces and ISIS.

    Among the groups that met with Republican Rep. Adam Kinzinger of Illinois and Rep. George Holding, R-North Carolina, was the Supreme Military Council of Syria and the Syriac Military Council, made up of Christians. CNN was the only news agency present at the meeting.

    It is unclear when the groups might receive the arms and training they've been promised. It's also unclear if all of the groups present will benefit.

    This is not the first time that groups opposed to ISIS have agreed to fight together. Previous efforts faltered, sometimes over ethnic and religious divides.

    While the Supreme Military Council of Syria includes the Free Syrian Army, which is considered one of the leading moderate forces, there are questions about other members of the alliance.

    The Syrian Revolutionary Front reportedly signed a deal with ISIS in one suburb in Damascus, and another -- the Hazzam group -- put out a statement this week condemning U.S. airstrikes.

    "Well, I think the question has been answered," said Khalid Saleh, the spokesman for the National Coalition for Syria.

    He said the Free Syrian Army brigades, which have been receiving aid for months, have been vetted, and he called for an increase in the flow of aid and support to them.

    Airstrikes are not enough

    The rebel groups told CNN that coalition airstrikes against ISIS targets were not enough. The strikes must also hit al-Assad's forces, they said.

    "This is a partial strategy. It's a containment policy that did not work and will not work," Saleh said.

    "We need to deal with this problem at its root cause: Assad, the gangs that support him and ISIS. Those are the three problems every Syrian deals with."

    The groups were also critical of the way the strikes were being carried out.
    "We also delivered a message how Syrians are upset about the killing of civilians from these strikes," said Abdul al-Bashir, head of the Supreme Military Council.

    Notably absent at the meetings, but very present on the Syrian battlefield, were jihadist groups who have also been fighting ISIS and al-Assad's government, including the Islamic Front and the al Qaeda-linked al-Nusra Front.

    The groups have been blacklisted and sidelined by the United States, but critics have said cutting them out will weaken the effectiveness of the coalition on the ground.

    "We do want to make sure that we don't put weapons in the hands of the wrong people," Kinzinger told CNN.


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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1452 - October 15, 2014, 10:33 AM

    https://soundcloud.com/littleletters/kurdistan-inside-out-episode-2

    @CahitStorm interview!

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    An interview with Jeid Ozsoy, known on Twitter as @cahitstorm - Jeid was recently live tweeting from the besieged Syrian Kurdish town of Kobani. He talks about his humanitarian work, and the Kurdish battle against Islamic State.

  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1453 - October 15, 2014, 10:55 AM

    Thanks Lilyesque - listening to it now Smiley

    Found this Facebook group - they are activists reporting from inside the IS "capital" of Raqqa in Syria. Mostly in Arabic. They were 17 activists but one got discovered and was executed.

    الرقة تذبح بصمت Raqqa is Being Slaughtered Silently

    Website - almost solely in Arabic

    Also this older article and video through VICE:

    Raqqa Is Being Slaughtered Silently, And These Guys Are Risking Their Lives To Document It

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    By Alice Speri
    September 26, 2014 | 12:55 am

    Earlier this week, a video aired on French television showed scenes of daily life in Raqqa, Syria, the de-facto capital of the Islamic State.

    Filmed in secret and at a huge risk by a Syrian woman who hid a camera behind her niqab, the footage shows armed men patrolling the city, a woman carrying an AK-47 into a playground, and an internet café where foreign women who traveled to the caliphate phone their relatives back in France, saying they love it there.

    The video, like VICE News' The Islamic State before it, once again brought the attention of the world to Raqqa, a city where life under the Islamic State is as inscrutable to outsiders as it is terrifying — a reminder of the caliphate's brutality as much as of its bureaucratic efficiency.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TkuAIKoI28
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    With open dissent all but stifled in the city — and punished with death, when it still happens — a group of young residents has taken the huge personal risk of documenting life under the Islamist fighters' rule — sharing photos, videos, and stories from the city on the web. Even after one of them was caught and executed, the group carried on, speaking with journalists and sharing images from the city.

    "Raqqa is being slaughtered silently" is both the group's name and the reason for its existence — to make sure the world hears and sees what's going on in the city, which now lives between the violence of its conquerors and the air strikes of the US and its allies.

    VICE News caught up with 22-year-old Abu Ibrahim Raqqawi, a member of the group who in the last four years went from medical student, to activist against the regime of Bashar al-Assad, to a chronicler of the fate of his city under the Islamic State, which he documented one crucifixion at the time until he was forced to flee just two weeks ago.

    With him, VICE News spoke about this latest video filmed by a woman with no connection to his group, life in Raqqa — especially for women, divides between Arab and foreign members of ISIS, and local support and criticism for US air strikes.

    VICE NEWS: How do you guys operate?
    Abu Ibrahim Raqqawi: Our campaign is called "Raqqa is being slaughtered silently," and it was launched in April, 2014. We wanted this campaign because ISIS commits a lot of crimes in the city, without anyone in the world knowing about it. So we launched this campaign to document all the crimes that ISIS is doing in the city. After we launched the campaign and posted a lot of crucifixions and executions on the news and Facebook and Twitter, they made three Friday sermons about us, saying we are infidels and we're against Allah and " we'll catch them and we'll execute them." We were 17 but unfortunately one of us got captured and executed by ISIS because he was caught with the videos and photos he was taking of executions. So because of that, we decided to use a new strategy to make sure not another one of us is captured. We are 12 inside the city and four outside. Before the 12 inside the city were posting on Twitter and posting on Facebook, and talking to journalists, but it's very dangerous. So we decided to use a "secret room," and the people in the city post all the photos, the news, and everything, and the four that are out, we are posting it on the internet, Twitter, and Facebook, and talking to journalists. We hide behind fake names and we don't trust anyone, so we don't get captured.

    So those of you that are out of Raqqa, where are you?
    There are three in Turkey, and I got out of Raqqa about two weeks ago, but I'm not in Turkey and not in Syria. I got out because they want to execute me but my family is still in Raqqa.

    Are you all from Raqqa?
    All of us are from Raqqa, and we were all in Raqqa our all lives.

    Were you guys fighting the regime of Bashar al-Assad before ISIS came in?
    We were activists against the Assad regime when we started, but after our city was freed, and ISIS took over our freedom, we just decided to launch this campaign to expose all the crimes that ISIS do, and not just ISIS but all the extremist groups in the city.

    A video has recently gone viral of a woman using a camera hidden behind her niqab to film life in Raqqa and especially life for women.
    I saw the video. She has a camera, a very expensive camera, and a secret one. The problem that we have with our campaign is that we don't have cameras. We are just using our cell phones and it's very dangerous to take photos inside the city. First, ISIS put cameras all over the city, so they can know who is taking photos and there are a lot of checkpoints. Also, the internet in the city is very, very slow so we use internet cafes and it's very dangerous because all the internet cafes are monitored by ISIS. So we are risking our lives when we are taking photos of executions with our cell phones. The second thing, and it's the most difficult thing for us, is the Al-Khansa brigade. It's a female brigade from ISIS, all of them female. They have weapons, and they control women inside the city, they check if some of them didn't wear the niqab and things like that, they inspect them.

    Are these women Syrian or mostly foreigners?
    Most of them are foreigners.

    From where?
    All over the world. From the UK, from the US, Dutch, Shishan (Chechen).

    Do they all speak Arabic?
    Some of them don't and some of them just simple words. The bad thing for us is that when I'm an activist and I want to take a photo in the streets of Raqqa, there are a lot of women with veils, you know? And I don't know who's from Al-Khansa and who isn't. So when I get out my cell phone and I am taking photos of the city I don't know if any of them are looking at me or not, because they have the veil, and I don't know if they are Al Khansa. Because if you are taking photos and one of the women from Al-Khansa is looking at you, they will catch you immediately, and you'll be executed immediately. This is a big problem for us.

    What does Al-Khansa mean?
    It's just a name, there was a woman in ancient Islam, four of her sons were martyred in battles for Islam, so they call her Al-Khansa, it's the mother of a lot of martyrs.

    What are some of the things you documented when you were in Raqqa, showing the life of women there?
    We showed two women who were stoned to death.

    You know why?
    They said for sleeping with other men.

    I have seen reports of women brought in from Iraq as slaves, mainly Yezidi girls.
    That's not true, it's just propaganda.

    Do the women of the Al-Khansa brigades execute people too, or do they just carry weapons, but hand over people to the men of the group?
    They just hand them to the men. They lash women, they take them to prison. Things like that, but they don't make executions.

    How are Raqqa's women, your sisters, or other relatives, reacting to all this?
    Women now cannot say "no." The worst things that happened in Raqqa happened to women. Now the Al-Khansa brigades are even telling women, "you cannot wear colorful shoes, it's haram. Just black shoes." Now a lot of them are trying to find girls to marry ISIS fighters. They are now telling women who want to marry ISIS fighters to wear a white veil under the black veil, so they can recognize them. But no women want that, they don't like ISIS.

    Are any women being forced to marry ISIS guys?
    Not by ISIS, but some of the fathers are forcing their daughters to marry ISIS fighters, because of the money and power they have. In one case, a girl called Fatima, she was 18, when her father forced her to marry an ISIS fighter from Tunisia, she committed suicide. The other girl, I don't remember her name, her father also forced her to marry a Tunisian fighter from ISIS and she ended up in the hospital because of… how can I say it… sexual violence.

    You have mentioned Tunisian fighters a lot. Are there many?
    You know, fighters from Morocco, Tunisia and so on, they want to marry Syrian girls. But fighters from the UK, US and so on, they prefer to bring their own or just marry another foreigner, from Sweden, and Holland. They keep to themselves. There's like a wall between them and the people of Raqqa because there is no language, the people don't like them, they are taking all the good houses and money from the people, and all of these things.

    Who is in charge? Mostly foreigners? Or mostly Iraqis or Syrians?
    Most of them are Iraqis and Tunisians. But mostly Iraqis.

    How was Raqqa before ISIS, and before the war, especially for women? Were they able to work?
    It was a normal city like any other city in the world. There were female doctors, lawyers, teachers. There were a lot of women who weren't even wearing hijabs. It was a mixed city, there were mixed marriages, mixed cafes, mixed restaurants. It was a normal city like any city in the world.

    Are women allowed to work at all now?
    No, just the teachers, and they are not allowed to teach boys over 6 years.

    Are any girls still going to school?
    There has been no school or education since ISIS has taken the city. No universities, no school, no nothing at all. They said they want to make new, special books, and special schools, but until now there is nothing at all, and they say that teachers must take special lessons from ISIS to be allowed to teach and those who don't won't be allowed.

    This week, the Islamic State publicly executed Samira Salih al-Nuaimi, an Iraqi women's rights activist, in Mosul. Have women's rights advocates in Raqqa faced the same backlash?
    Most of the women in Raqqa now are just at home. They do nothing.

    Are there any underground organizations, or groups like yours?
    There are almost no activists.

    Do you think they are looking for the woman that took this video?
    I think she's now in Turkey, because her face shows in the video. I think she will not go back to Raqqa.

    Are you afraid for your family in Raqqa, because of the work you do?
    Sure. A week ago, they went to the home of one member of our group who's in Turkey, searching for him, and they said to his father, "If your boy does not stop talking about us, that will be a big problem for you."

    How are you protecting your family, are you trying to get them out?
    It's a very bad situation for us, we cannot take them out of the city.

    Do your families support your decision to do this?
    Not just our families, the whole city of Raqqa, because people are just tired of ISIS.

    How long do you think this is going to last, or when do you think you'll be able to go back to Raqqa?
    I don't know, but when ISIS get out of the city I will immediately go back.

    How do people in Raqqa feel about the US air strikes?
    I would say the people of Raqqa just split into two parts. The first part say, "I will deal with the devil just to take ISIS out of the city, because we are tired of ISIS. Enough of this, we want you to take them out of the city, we want our freedom, we want our lives back, and our sons back from prison, because there are more than 1,200 people from Raqqa in ISIS prisons." They just want these air strikes to kick ISIS out of the city but they fear these air strikes, because they don't want any of the civilians or the innocent prisoners, and innocent families to die. The second part, including me, are against these strikes, because if the West wanted our freedom, why didn't they bomb the Assad regime after he used chemical weapons, and why didn't they bomb the Assad regime when we have been begging for their help for four years now, and they didn't do anything? They are just now doing this because of ISIS, not for us. So they are against these airstrikes. People just split into two parts, but both parts are fearing that air strikes will kill innocent people.

    Are ISIS fighters using Raqqa's civilians as human shields?
    Yes. After Obama's speech, when he said he wants to bomb ISIS in Syria, they moved all their families to the suburbs of the city. All their buildings are now empty, and just have two or three guards to secure the buildings, and all the ISIS members are heading to flats they are taking from the people of Raqqa — the civilians, the Christians, those who are escaping from the war. Or if you for instance have three houses, they'll come to you and say, "you don't need three houses, we'll take two and you keep one, to put foreign fighters in it." And you know, people are just scared of them, they cannot say no. They know if they say no it will be a big problem and they may be put in prison because they'll say "you're against the Islamic State." So if for example there's a building with 10 flats, six flats will be for ISIS and four for the people of Raqqa. Each flat between 10 to 15 members. So they are making people into human shields, to hide between them. It's a big problem for the people, they are scared of this.

    Is anyone in Raqqa still trying to resist ISIS? Are some people starting to buy into their claims or do they just do it to survive?
    Most of the people of Raqqa are against ISIS, maybe 90 percent. The other 10, ISIS gives them money, power, and because of that they want it in the city. After the airstrikes, a few more people said, "I will be with ISIS against these strikes." But most in the city just want them out. They are just tired.


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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1454 - October 15, 2014, 11:18 AM

    Speaking of VICE, this just popped up:

    Islamic State Insurgent Cells Cause Death and Discrimination Behind Iraq's Front Lines

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    By Alice Su
    October 15, 2014 | 4:35 pm

    The road into the city of Kirkuk is lined with peshmerga, police, and flames — they continually shoot out of the ground as natural gas seeps up and ignites. On the road, dozens of cars wait at a checkpoint while peshmerga halt and question each driver: "Kurdi? Arabi?"

    Kurds are waved in, while Arabs are pulled over, searched, and interrogated; the men stand in front of their car windows with crossed arms and grim faces, shielding the women and children inside. Some argue. Only a few make it through. The line of cars grows.

    Kurds are leading the battle against the Islamic State — known as Daash in the region — in northern Iraq, particularly in places like Kirkuk, which has been under peshmerga control since the Iraqi army fled an Islamic State advance in June. Kurdish peshmerga and asayish [security] forces are now forced to fend off the Sunni militant group on the front lines, which are as close as 7 1/2 miles from Kirkuk's center, and inside the city in the form of insurgent cells.

    Kurdistan has taken in hundreds of thousands of displaced people, many of them Yezidis and Christians who now fill the churches and schools of Ankawa and Dohuk. But as international airstrikes increasingly compel Islamic State fighters to adopt guerrilla tactics, Kirkuk faces a rising threat of militants hiding among civilians — especially the 129,500 displaced people fleeing Islamic State-held areas, most of whom are Sunni Arabs. Their presence is both a humanitarian challenge and a security threat — people without shelter or aid who are suffering among insurgents who are initiating sectarian killings and bombings.

    Sectarian distrust runs deep in Kirkuk, which has both oil wealth and a history of ethnic cleansing. Inside the city, 73-year-old shopkeeper Hassan Abdulghafour recounts to VICE News the times he's been forcibly displaced: from his home village to Kirkuk in the 1960s, then to Erbil in 1988, and then to Iran in 1992 while fleeing Saddam Hussein's chemical attacks and Baathist Arabization. Abdulghafour returned to Kirkuk in 2003, opening a shop and building his house as US forces invaded.

    A decade later, Iraq is still burning. "I have no faith this will end unless God does a miracle," Abdulghafour said. The Islamic State are like the Baathists all over again, he added — perhaps not the same people, but people who are using similar kinds of terror, brutality, and religious manipulation.

    "Saddam used to say 'Allahu Akbar' too," Abdulghafour said. "The Baathists turned against us like tigers. I don't want Arab friends anymore."

    Many displaced Christians and Yezidis echo his words. Longtime Sunni neighbors suddenly turned against them when Islamic State fighters arrived, they say, looting their houses. And so few trust the Sunnis who are now seeking refuge in Kurdistan.

    "The displaced people are pretending," Abdulghafour said. "They are infiltrating here as Daash. Their young people are fighting, and they plant older people here to take control. You don't know who they are or if they're telling the truth."

    Five minutes from Abdulghafour's home, piles of garbage float in stagnant water near a concrete hut that houses four displaced Arab families from Baiji; 30 people spill out of the home, some sleeping outside on the ground or on the roof. The children's skin is gray with dust. Mohamad Dhahir Thiyab, a grandfather and head of the household, lies sick on a mat inside.

    "Daash came to us like a nightmare," Thiyab said. He has three sons: Two were Iraqi police officers, which makes them Islamic State targets. A roadside bomb killed the third last year. Thiyab himself was once an officer in Saddam's army, and he rejects the idea that former Baath supporters are now with the Islamic State. "Only a few former soldiers joined Daash in my town," he said. "Mostly they were young people who weren't thinking. Daash are barbarians."

    There are Islamic State supporters among the displaced Sunnis, Thiyab said. But those Sunnis who oppose the group have no defense or support. "Most military commanders abandoned their posts for no reason, and Daash started blowing up our houses," he said. "Iraq's soldiers take money instead of fighting. The militias act like Daash and kill people. It's all bullshit. No one is willing to fix it."

    No one, his neighbors would agree, except the Kurds. As suicide car bombings continued in Kirkuk through the summer, asayish raided Islamic State cells and arrested militant suspects. "If not for Kurds, this would be a Daash area right now," said one asayish officer. He listed a number of recent successes — captured weapons, explosives found hidden inside houses, and arrests based off of tips from Kurds and Arabs alike. The Kurds' problem is not intelligence or capacity, the officer said, but a lack of cooperation from Iraqi police and military.

    "Baghdad and peshmerga are not friends," he said.

    Asayish also distrust Iraqi police. "We don't share all information with them — they are infiltrated [by the Islamic State]," the officer claimed. "We report to Kurdistan." Kirkuk's asayish forces detain suspects and then turn them over to the Iraqi police, as the city is still technically under Baghdad's authority. "But then they get released through bribery or phone threats," he said. "Or if we work with Iraqi police, suspects are already tipped off by the time they get to the arrest."

    Meanwhile, killings and kidnappings, mostly of Sunni Turkmen and Arabs, are on the rise in Kirkuk. Many residents believe they are the work of Shia militias, according to a recent Amnesty International report, operating openly in Kirkuk and "parading through the city with their weapons on display." While the Shia militias tacitly fight against the Islamic State with the peshmerga, they also carry out indiscriminate attacks on civilians with no repercussions, the report says.

    Displaced Arabs are allowed into Kirkuk, but only if they can produce a Kurdish kafeel — a resident sponsor. The kafeel must come personally to the checkpoint and vouch for the Arab, at which point peshmerga may or may not let them in. Those without kafeel are sent back to Islamic State-controlled areas.

    Mohamad Khalil al-Jubouri, a member of the Kirkuk Provincial Council from Mulla Abdullah, a mostly Sunni town now under Islamic State control, said Kirkuk's humanitarian situation is urgent. "The Kirkuk government is ignoring displaced Arabs," he told VICE News. "They blame it on security, but that's just an excuse. Some council members don't want to talk about the displaced people because they don't want them here at all."

    The predominant fear among Kurdish politicians is not that the Islamic State will infiltrate Kirkuk, al-Jubouri said, but that Kirkuk's population will tip in favor of Arabs; they want to keep Kirkuk part of Kurdistan. "We need to see this as a humanitarian problem, not a political one," al-Jubouri said. "No one wants to be displaced."

    Members of Kirkuk's other minorities — Assyrians, Chaldeans, and Turkmen — say they are glad that Kurdish forces are defending Kirkuk from the Islamic State instead of the Iraqi army. "If we were still counting on Maliki's government, we'd be finished in an hour," said Ayad Mohammad, a local Turkmen.

    "Baghdad is never going to change," Mohammad said. "With Kurdistan, we still have a chance."



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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1455 - October 15, 2014, 12:06 PM

    Not just the kurds who deserve support but the fsa poor bastards are the forgotten resistance.


    The FSA are assholes most of em.

    fuck you
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1456 - October 15, 2014, 12:10 PM

    In my opinion full intervention by Western armies is completely justified.


    Then go join the fuckin military.

    fuck you
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1457 - October 15, 2014, 01:25 PM

    The FSA are assholes most of em.


    Why do you say that?
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1458 - October 15, 2014, 01:46 PM

    Why do you say that?

    Because THIAT  FUCKING SA hitting back at ISIS in east Syria province.. They should have been in with ISIS heroes..

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    Members of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) expelled fighters belonging to the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) from parts of the eastern city of Al Bukamal near the border with Iraq, sources told Al Arabiya News Channel Saturday.

    The FSA, which is also seeking the ouster of Syrian President Bashar Assad, had launched a large campaign to clear the mainly ISIS-held city of the militant fighters.

    FSA reinforcements were dispatched at dawn Saturday as part of the campaign.

    The moderate Syrian opposition also issued a 24-hour ultimatum for ISIS to vacate the city, which is in the eastern province of Deir al-Zor.


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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1459 - October 15, 2014, 02:06 PM

    The FSA are assholes most of em.

    Why do you say that?


    I'm not necessarily agreeing with the colonel but it's worth reading some of Edward Dark's reports from Aleppo for a critical take on the FSA: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/contents/authors/edward-dark.html

    Maybe start with this: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/05/syria-revolution-aleppo-assad.html

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1460 - October 15, 2014, 02:25 PM

    I'm not necessarily agreeing with the colonel but it's worth reading some of Edward Dark's reports from Aleppo for a critical take on the FSA: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/contents/authors/edward-dark.html


    Thanks for that - even though it depressed me :(
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1461 - October 15, 2014, 02:52 PM

    I never said it wouldn't be depressing...

    This is worth reading on relations between the Kurds and the FSA: http://www.warscapes.com/reportage/extremists-and-moderates-kobani
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1462 - October 15, 2014, 04:18 PM

    Turkey has troops and tanks parked right across the border, literally within sight of Kobane.  And they are doing nothing, even though they would be perfectly capable of intervening.  So why is a NATO member not doing anything when its arms and troops are within a few hundred yards of Kobane, while mass murder, rape and atrocities are being committed in front of them?


    Yes Turkey have the means to at least assist with support and open or protect supply lines without getting militarily involved at this stage, but they don't even do that.. Their total inactivity is exasperating and Turkey have a very professional and well equipped and formidable army.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1463 - October 15, 2014, 04:25 PM

    'White Shroud'. Clandestine Syrian groups assassinating ISIS members.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11164976/Secret-white-shroud-guerrilla-group-killing-Islamic-State-militants.html

    Are they for real or is this just disinfo/propaganda to keep the ISIS zombies looking over their shoulders? 

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1464 - October 15, 2014, 04:32 PM

    'White Shroud'. Clandestine Syrian groups assassinating ISIS members.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11164976/Secret-white-shroud-guerrilla-group-killing-Islamic-State-militants.html

    Are they for real or is this just disinfo/propaganda to keep the ISIS zombies looking over their shoulders? 


    If true then wow! Infiltration and assassination, that is well planned stuff.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1465 - October 15, 2014, 04:49 PM

    Well it's not so much infiltration per se, but rather a 'scatter 'em and pick em off' tactic. The aerial attacks seem to have broken IS down into more manageable 'bite-size' chunks.

    As a lion catches a gazelle.

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1466 - October 15, 2014, 05:16 PM

    It is interesting to watch!
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1467 - October 15, 2014, 05:42 PM

    Then go join the fuckin military.


    I did go on to say why (in my opinion) it couldn't be done.
  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1468 - October 15, 2014, 06:15 PM

    Is IS getting baathist support?

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  • 'Islamic State' a.k.a. ISIL
     Reply #1469 - October 15, 2014, 06:20 PM

    British jihadis are depressed, lonely and need help, says Prof

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11164182/British-jihadis-are-depressed-lonely-and-need-help-says-Prof.html

    Of course this has nothing to do with religion, apparently it's video games or comics or the internet, and belief in fantasy worlds. that puts people at risk.

    His solution is that they probably need more religion. yup!  Thinking hard

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