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 Topic: Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?

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  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #150 - May 26, 2014, 08:04 PM
    Quote from: Descent on May 26, 2014, 07:52 PM
    ^You would have sex (and not a relationship) with a women who lacks intelligence?


    Is it just me or is that odd? Doesn't it turn you off?


    It doesn't turn my penis off, no.
    Simply put though, I'm rarely in that type of situation since I avoid atmospheres which are promulgate a lack of intellect.
    I've never met a female who fits my "attraction" criterion and is simultaneously devoid of intelligence.
    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #151 - May 26, 2014, 08:16 PM
    Who said anything about being stupid or having an ugly personality? When I was talking about "manipulation" I was jokingly referring to the fact that when a couple (for example lua and Mr Saudi lover-boy Wink ) have a minor conflict, a girl can catch a break by just being very loving and sexy. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, or that people should or shouldn't do it Tongue
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #152 - May 26, 2014, 08:18 PM
    Suki mentioned personality, I voiced my opinion. Then Descent brought intelligence into the convo and we digressed  grin12
    Anyways, I agree.
    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #153 - May 26, 2014, 09:57 PM
    Quote from: Cornflower on May 26, 2014, 07:07 PM
    It's scary how easily you can manipulate someone (some men) with sex...


    Worked for Mohammad, innit.
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #154 - May 26, 2014, 10:29 PM
    Quote from: serpentofeden on May 26, 2014, 04:25 PM
    If you;re gonna reject hadith then it's only tenable to reject the quran too...as the earliest complete written copy of the quran is from the 12th century, where as the hadith are from the 8th-9th Century


    I think your line of reasoning would be more conducive to the rejection of hadith only. In general Muslims will not entertain the idea that the Qur'an is errant and you will be accused of a genetic fallacy.
    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #155 - May 27, 2014, 12:30 AM
    Quote from: Cornflower on May 26, 2014, 07:07 PM
    It's scary how easily you can manipulate someone (some men) with sex...

     

    That's why some men's advice columns recommend that you masturbate before making any important decisions. So your penis doesn't affect the decision making process.

    It's wise advice.
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #156 - May 28, 2014, 05:02 AM
    Quote from: lua on May 26, 2014, 12:24 PM
    This is super long and I'm sorry!  wacko
    … …
    If you could get through it, did any of that make sense? Grin

    Yes lua, it made sense Grin I think I now understand that Quranists have a fundamentally different approach to Islam than orthodox Sunnis. It's not all about laws and the minutiae of rituals. It's more the spirit of the Quran than the letter of the Quran. Given my background and upbringing, I'm extremely biased towards the mainstream Sunni position, it being the majority exacerbates this, so it was a bit new for me to really think about Islam outside that box. I still have a hard time seeing Shi'a Islam as anything other than blatant bid'ah, for example.
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #157 - May 28, 2014, 12:53 PM
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    I still have a hard time seeing Shi'a Islam as anything other than blatant bid'ah, for example.

     

    Well for sunnis biddah is anything thats not in the quran and hadiths. And since the quran is really vague you need the hadiths to interpret it. 

    but the problem is that shias follow a different set of hadiths.

    They probably think the sunni hadiths are blatant bidaah. 
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #158 - May 28, 2014, 01:22 PM
    ^They have a series of imams they near-worship as infallible and they also practically worship the prophet's family. And what's with the Ali thing? I don't know how that can possibly be justified; it's bid'ah and shirk. It's more intense than Sunni reverence for the caliphs, for example. 

    Also, the Karbala incident occurred after the prophet's death and it's treated as a religious "holiday" despite it happening after the end of revelation hence obviously never being endorsed by Mo. No hate for Shi'as but it seems harder to believe than Sunni Islam, at least to me. Too many of their core beliefs/ practices came about post-Mo as a result of a political schism. 
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #159 - May 28, 2014, 01:25 PM
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    they also practically worship the prophet's family

     

    I don't remember the exact hadith but there is a SUNNI hadith which glorifies the prophet's family and put's them on a near infallible status as well.   

    And like I said before it seems biddah based on the sunni hadiths used to interpret the quran but if you interpret the quran using the shia hadiths you get a different picture.

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #160 - May 28, 2014, 01:25 PM
    Pornography alternative for Muslims: Islamic Sects.
    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #161 - May 28, 2014, 01:33 PM
    @TDR

    But…but. How about the hereditary imam stuff? That's pretty wack, there's no Sunni equivalent, and it all came about because a group didn't agree with the political leadership of the nascent Muslim community. For some reason, a religious sect was spawned out of a political schism. 
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #162 - May 28, 2014, 01:57 PM
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    But…but. How about the hereditary imam stuff?

     

    that's based on the shia hadith though.  You can't really argue against that without using any sunni hadiths.

    So it all boils down to a matter of which hadiths are more accurate than the other. And they both seem to be equally fabricated.
     

    And I'm speaking as an ex sunni here.
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #163 - May 28, 2014, 02:34 PM
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    that's based on the shia hadith though.  You can't really argue against that without using any sunni hadiths.

    Yeah, but it has no basis or precedence in the Quran. It was literally made up by a group of political dissidents after the prophet's death. Sunni Islam doesn't have an equivalent system of hereditary imams/caliphs; there aren't a bunch of dudes post-Mo who are infallible and worshipped by Sunnis. Mo said he was the seal of prophethood and revelation ended with him, therefore commemorating Karbala and incorporating all this post-MO stuff into the deen is blatant bid'ah.
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #164 - May 28, 2014, 03:22 PM
    Quote from: Al-Alethia on May 28, 2014, 02:34 PM
    Yeah, but it has no basis or precedence in the Quran. It was literally made up by a group of political dissidents after the prophet's death.


    Do you really think that the Sunni hadiths that make up the meat of the practice of Islam, are any less likely to be made up after the fact in a similar manner?
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #165 - May 28, 2014, 04:18 PM
    Quote from: Al-Alethia on May 28, 2014, 02:34 PM
    Yeah, but it has no basis or precedence in the Quran. 

     

    Well neither of the five pillars of islam have been described in any detail in the quran either.  They are only described in detail in the hadith.

    The Quran is completely useless without the hadiths.
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #166 - May 28, 2014, 04:40 PM
    ^It's not about the details, it's about core beliefs. Prayer, fasting, believing in Allah and Mo, hajj, and charity are all mentioned in the Quran; the hadith just gets into specifics (how many prayers, % of zakat, etc). The core beliefs of Shi'a Islam, OTOH, have no basis in the Quran. It'd be like if Sunnis shouted "ya, Uthman!" and had a whole culture about mourning Abubakr or Umar's deaths.

    If we were to go Quran-alone (Quranism), this form of Islam would resemble Sunni Islam much more than Shi'a Islam. Do you agree? There's no mention of Karbala and Hussain and 12 infallible imams in the Quran. This is what I mean when I say that the entire Shi'a sect was essentially created by political dissidents.
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #167 - May 28, 2014, 05:04 PM
    Quote from: TheDarkRebel on May 28, 2014, 04:18 PM


    Well neither of the five pillars of islam have been described in any detail in the quran either.  They are only described in detail in the hadith.

    The Quran is completely useless without the hadiths.


    That is not the case TDR. Here is the link, but it lacks many rituals of the Ahadith.

    http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/pillars_%28P1188%29.html
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #168 - April 29, 2017, 12:53 PM
    A recent debate between a Sunni and a Quranist.

    Quranists seem to pretty much make up their interpretations on the spot.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV4Oogq0djw

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #169 - April 29, 2017, 02:47 PM
    Quote from: TheDarkRebel on April 29, 2017, 12:53 PM
    A recent debate between a Sunni and a Quranist.

    Quranists seem to pretty much make up their interpretations on the spot.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV4Oogq0djw

    useless fellows wasting their time and energy debating on ridiculous nonsense ..On the way they will either become victims of their own silly belief or they victimize others by brainwashing with nonsense..

    Quran is just a book of its time  with songs  sonnets and stories from  earlier Abrahamic faiths
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Why Should the Muslims Not Reject the Ahadith?
     Reply #170 - May 02, 2017, 11:51 PM
    Quote from: TheDarkRebel on April 29, 2017, 12:53 PM
    A recent debate between a Sunni and a Quranist.

    Quranists seem to pretty much make up their interpretations on the spot.


    Well one would hope they could be free to do it and generally everyone would leave it at that, instead of having the Sunni thought police challenging them on it.

    Edit: Not that it's wrong to challenge beliefs, rather the whole mainstream Islam positioning itself superior to other beliefs thing that is rather distasteful, to say the least.
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
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