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  • 'Jihadist plot to take over Birmingham schools'
     Reply #60 - June 15, 2014, 08:57 PM

    The Guardian, sadly, is no more reputable than the Daily Mail. They are very similar.
  • 'Jihadist plot to take over Birmingham schools'
     Reply #61 - June 15, 2014, 08:58 PM

    Really ? 

    I mean obviously every media outlet has it own political biases but I usually hear the daily mail being referred to as Britain's fox news.


    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • 'Jihadist plot to take over Birmingham schools'
     Reply #62 - June 15, 2014, 09:06 PM

    And the Guardian is the other side of the same coin. They both have their agenda, and will not let the truth stand in the way of it.
  • 'Jihadist plot to take over Birmingham schools'
     Reply #63 - June 15, 2014, 09:15 PM

    Can you imagine? if it was christian people doing it to a muslim majority school, every muslim and their mother would have risen up against this kind of bullshit. but as it goes, it was just a botched up attempt by stupid muslim people to "run their own school". with the way things are going, it seems like they will be thrown out.

    "There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life." ― Frank Zappa
  • 'Jihadist plot to take over Birmingham schools'
     Reply #64 - June 15, 2014, 09:24 PM

    Can you imagine? if it was christian people doing it to a muslim majority school, every muslim and their mother would have risen up against this kind of bullshit. but as it goes, it was just a botched up attempt by stupid muslim people to "run their own school". with the way things are going, it seems like they will be thrown out.

    hello  APHarith.. Glad to see you .,   but  that is NOT true in so-called Islamic nations .

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • 'Jihadist plot to take over Birmingham schools'
     Reply #65 - June 15, 2014, 10:21 PM

    Hey YZV, good to see you too. and you are right, this would not take place in a muslim nation. as it so happens, United Kingdom is not part of the 'muslim nations'. but imagine for a moment, that something like this was taking place in a muslim school. do you think the muslim parents, teacher, head master would have just sat back and allowed it to happen? i do not think so.

    This is proof that muslims are trying to manipulate the education system of UK to meet their own standard. if something like had happened in a 'muslim school' then every single parent who sends their kids to that school would have cried foul. islamophobia as they like to call it.

    "There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life." ― Frank Zappa
  • 'Jihadist plot to take over Birmingham schools'
     Reply #66 - June 16, 2014, 12:53 AM

    well let us get it from every side

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHIOKY4DgEI

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtV_WcKcSzU

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XjSnzMGaSA

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • 'Jihadist plot to take over Birmingham schools'
     Reply #67 - June 16, 2014, 07:26 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3Fn4SOSnI

    Yap that is FACT from David Cameron on that last year Kenya mall attack., it is indeed  'sickening and despicable'   .. Yes... "They  Do not represent Islam or Muslims"  provided ..provided?Huh??

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • 'Jihadist plot to take over Birmingham schools'
     Reply #68 - June 16, 2014, 11:20 AM

    Wait until those Brit jihadists in Syria get back and start their jihad/war here, there is no doubt in my mind that there will be a bloodbath, I hope I'm wrong but…!

    Arthur.
  • 'Jihadist plot to take over Birmingham schools'
     Reply #69 - June 16, 2014, 11:24 AM

    Wait until those Brit jihadists in Syria get back and start their jihad/war here, there is no doubt in my mind that there will be a bloodbath, I hope I'm wrong but…!

    Arthur.

     Are you wishing for that arthur2 ?   Well If I am in England ruling party I will tag the rascals with a 24 hr monitoring chip..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • 'Jihadist plot to take over Birmingham schools'
     Reply #70 - June 16, 2014, 02:48 PM

    Wait until those Brit jihadists in Syria get back and start their jihad/war here, there is no doubt in my mind that there will be a bloodbath, I hope I'm wrong but…!

    Arthur.

    Scary thought. Anyone who goes to Syria for fighting shouldn't be allowed back, from wherever they came from.
  • 'Jihadist plot to take over Birmingham schools'
     Reply #71 - June 16, 2014, 02:50 PM

    Humanitarian aid workers included?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • 'Jihadist plot to take over Birmingham schools'
     Reply #72 - June 16, 2014, 02:52 PM

    I'm pretty sure I included "for fighting". Maybe I should have worded it better.
  • 'Jihadist plot to take over Birmingham schools'
     Reply #73 - June 16, 2014, 03:05 PM

    But how will you know?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • 'Jihadist plot to take over Birmingham schools'
     Reply #74 - June 18, 2014, 11:58 PM

    Now Tony Blair's talking about it.

    Trojan Horse plot driven by same 'warped' Islamic extremism as Boko Haram, says Tony Blair

    Quote
    Birmingham schools 'plot' is part of extremist movement stretching from Pakistan to Africa to Britain, former prime minister Tony Blair claims

    The alleged Islamic extremism seen in the 'Trojan Horse' scandal in schools in Birmingham is the same as that practised by Boko Haram, the Nigerian terrorist network, Tony Blair has said.

    The Trojan Horse 'plot' to bring hardline practices into Birmingham classrooms is part of a global extremist movement stretching from Britain to Africa to the Far East, the former Prime Minister claimed.

    Six Birmingham schools are in special measures after the education watchdog found they had fallen into the hands of bullying governors who had sought to narrow the curriculum and exclude non-Muslim pupils.

    Inspectors told how raffles and tombolas at one primary school been banned from a recent school fête because they were considered “un-Islamic” as they promoted gambling.

    It was also revealed that the academy's Christmas special assembly was cancelled and a termly assembly staged by a Christian charity had been scrapped. The terms “white prostitute” had been used in assemblies.

    Sheikh Shady Al-Suleiman – an al-Qaeda sympathiser – had spoken at Park View secondary academy, and the theory of evolution was dismissed by teachers as “not what we believe.” There was evidence boys and girls were segregated in class.

    Mr Blair said the alleged plot was part of a movement that included extremists in Pakistan and Boko Haram, the Nigerian terrorist group.

    The group is responsible for the kidnapping of hundreds of schools girls in Nigeria two months ago and dozens of deadly attacks on churches and predominantly Christian villages.

    Speaking from Abu Dhabi in the Middle East, the former Prime Minister said: “There is a very fundamental problem that we face, that may have originated in this region but has now spread across the world.

    “That problem is extremism based on a warped and abusive view of the religion. It is a problem here in the region. It is a problem in countries like Pakistan, it’s a problem in the Far East. We can see from Nigeria and Boko Haram it’s a problem in African countries and it’s a problem in our own society as we can see from Birmingham schools.”

    He added: “We have to assert the strong values of religious respect and tolerance for difference.

    “Any politics that is based on a view that ‘This is my religion and if you don’t agree you are my enemy’, that is the ideology we have to attack and root out.”

    Every pupil will be taught about the British values enshrined in the Magna Carta, David Cameron has said, in the wake of the Trojan Horse scandal.

    Schools will teach how the document, sealed 800 years ago next year, established the rule of law and paved the way for parliamentary democracy.

    The British values of free, democracy, tolerance and respecting the law are “as British as the Union Flag, as football, as fish and chips,” the Prime Minister said today. It is “not an option” for anyone living in Britain to not abide by them.

    He also suggested that any move away from the "Western model" of democracy and free enterprise would threaten Britain's economic success.

    Michael Gove, the education secretary, announced plans for schools to “actively promote” British values in the wake of the Birmingham plot.

    Mr Cameron, writing in the Mail on Sunday, said too much latitude has been given to opponents of democracy.

    "In recent years we have been in danger of sending out a worrying message: that if you don't want to believe in democracy, that's fine; that if equality isn't your bag, don't worry about it; that if you're completely intolerant of others, we will still tolerate you.

    "This has not just led to division, it has also allowed extremism - of both the violent and non-violent kind - to flourish," he said in the article.

    "We need to be far more muscular in promoting British values and the institutions that uphold them.

    "A genuinely liberal country believes in certain values, actively promotes them and says to its citizens: this is what defines us as a society."

    Mr Cameron said it was "a matter of pride and patriotism" to promote British values and history and urged people to stop being "squeamish" about doing so.

    "As President Obama put it when he addressed MPs and peers in Parliament, 'What began on this island would inspire millions throughout the continent of Europe and across the world'."

    Celebrations are planned next year to mark 800 years since King John signed the Magna Carta at Runnymede which established for the first time that the king was subject to the law.

    Mr Cameron said they will now include lessons for all pupils.

    "The remaining copies of that charter may have faded, but its principles shine as brightly as ever, and they paved the way for the democracy, the equality, the respect and the laws that make Britain, Britain.

    "So I want to use this upcoming 800th anniversary as an opportunity for every child to learn about the Magna Carta, for towns to commemorate it, for events to celebrate it."


    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • 'Jihadist plot to take over Birmingham schools'
     Reply #75 - June 19, 2014, 12:07 AM

    Awesome. So does that mean he's going to invade?

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • 'Jihadist plot to take over Birmingham schools'
     Reply #76 - June 19, 2014, 12:14 AM

    I'm now picturing Blair invading Birmingham.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • 'Jihadist plot to take over Birmingham schools'
     Reply #77 - June 24, 2014, 01:36 PM

    Radical school is brainwashing our children

    Quote
    Mohammed Zabar, whose daughter attends Oldknow Academy, has spoken out after the head, Bhupinder Kondal, was driven out


    Children at one of the state schools taken over by hardline Muslims are being “programmed” and have been “drilled” by their teachers to lie to Ofsted inspectors investigating the plot, according to a parent.

    Mohammed Zabar, the father of a 10-year-old girl attending Oldknow Academy in Birmingham, today becomes the first person to speak openly about events at his daughter’s school.

    Mr Zabar, 44, decided to break his silence after The Sunday Telegraph described how teachers at the supposedly secular school led children in anti-Christian chanting, stopped them from celebrating Christmas, organised subsidised trips to Mecca and required all pupils to learn Arabic.

    The successful non-Muslim head, Bhupinder Kondal, who achieved an Ofsted rating of “outstanding”, has been driven from her post. Four of the six-strong management team have left in the past six months.

    “Everything I read in your articles is true,” he said. “The last three or four months have been really difficult. My daughter’s education has been at the back of my mind the whole time.

    “It is important for Muslim parents to say that what is happening is wrong, and to stand up against it. The culture I’ve been brought up with is that you mix with all races and communities and this will drive wedges between different communities.”

    Mr Zabar spoke out as a former teacher at another school in the city targeted, Park View, told The Sunday Telegraph that he repeatedly witnessed the man who is now effectively Park View’s head giving “mind-blowing” anti-Western assemblies to pupils at the school.

    Nigel Sloan, the former head of drama at Park View, said that Monzoor Hussain told pupils in assembly that the Americans were, among other things, “the evil in the world” and “the cause of all famine”.

    Mr Sloan said: “I heard Mr Hussain say those words. It was always anti-American, anti-Western propaganda. Some of his assemblies were so anti-American in their content as to be mind-blowing.”

    Mr Hussain, a maths teacher at the time, is now Park View’s principal, effectively its head teacher. His nominal superior, the school’s respected executive head, Lindsey Clark, has told Ofsted inspectors that she has been marginalised by Mr Hussain and the hardline chairman of governors, Tahir Alam.

    Serving staff at Park View have told The Sunday Telegraph and the BBC’s Today programme that a senior teacher there praised the al-Qaeda ideologue, Anwar al-Awlaki, at assemblies.

    It can also be disclosed that the same senior teacher is a person of interest to West Midlands Police, which have arrested his brother and questioned him about the senior teacher’s comments.

    Mr Sloan, now a department head at another school, said: “Park View thought I was too Westernised. I used to talk to the kids about motorbikes and rock music, so they tried to push me out. The kids would tell me that they were being warned against me in the local mosques.”

    He said that one day he was approached by a female pupil out of the blue and asked whether she should wear the veil.

    “I told her I thought that would be a shame, and then that was the sole basis for a trumped-up allegation of racism against me,” he said.

    “I am 100 per cent sure it was a set-up and that she had been put up to it.

    “I just felt that the situation at the school was untenable and I got another job before they could take it any further.”

    Park View’s leadership and management have been rated “inadequate” by Ofsted in a report expected to be published soon.

    Oldknow will be inspected this week as part of a widening investigation ordered by Michael Gove, the Education Secretary, into claims that Birmingham schools have been targeted by radical Muslims in an organised plot.

    Mr Zabar said his daughter had been told by a teacher at the school to lie to the inspectors if they spoke to her.

    “The teacher said all of the stories about the school were untrue and if anyone from Ofsted speaks to you, you have to tell them what we are telling you to say,” he said.

    “Two weeks ago I asked my daughter about what was

    happening with the head, and she recited, 'Miss Kondal is off sick at the moment. Her sicknote ends at the end of March and then we will wait and see what happens.’

    “Those were my daughter’s exact words. It’s not how a child would speak – it’s as if she’d been drilled in exactly what to say. I don’t send her to school to have the teacher brainwash or programme my child.”

    Mr Zabar said his daughter, who does not wear a headscarf, “comes back from school saying she’s been told her hair is un-Islamic, or that trousers are not Islamic”.

    He added: “We as parents are on the ball, we are looking out for the signs [of radicalisation] and we are trying to counter them, but it’s almost like the poor girl is stuck in the middle between us and the school.

    “We’ve tried to protect her as much as possible from it but it’s not fair to her.”

    According to staff at Oldknow, the school has been making other preparations to receive the inspectors when they arrive tomorrow. A trip to a synagogue has been hastily arranged and pupils have been ordered to make Easter cards in an attempt to show that the school is not hostile to other faiths.

    One staff member said the head teacher’s PA, who has close knowledge of the circumstances of Miss Kondal’s departure, was sent home sick last week. The acting head, Jahangir Akbar, has called staff together and explicitly threatened them with dismissal if they talk freely to outsiders, the staff member said.

    Mr Zabar said that at a meeting with Mr Akbar and other teachers on Friday afternoon, he and several other Muslim parents raised strong concerns about events at the school, including the anti-Christian chanting in assembly led by Asif Khan, the Arabic teacher. After initially denying his involvement, both Mr Khan and the acting head confirmed it, Mr Zabar said.

    “Another Muslim parent asked what had happened about Christmas,” Mr Zabar said. “Mr Akbar said the Christmas festivities didn’t go ahead because the children weren’t getting good enough grades. The parent replied, so why do you take them out in term time to do Umrah [the Muslim lesser pilgrimage to Mecca] then?”

    Another Muslim parent complained that his calls and emails of concern were never answered by the school.

    Mr Zabar said the claims of “racism” and “Islamophobia” made by Oldknow and Park View against their critics were “insulting”.

    He said: “The charge of Islamophobia is sometimes bandied around to deter people from approaching this issue. But there are many Muslim parents raising concerns and this is not about religion.

    “It is about our children receiving a balanced all-round education and giving them what they need to live in British society today.

    “If you want to have a religious education, the schools are there. But I chose to send my child to a non-religious school and by changing it they are denying me that choice. They think that in this society children are corrupt and have been misled. They think they have the duty to substitute their judgment for my duty as a parent.”

    Mr Zabar tried to raise his concerns in a meeting with Mr Akbar before Christmas, but said the then deputy head “shouted me down and wouldn’t give me the chance to speak. He was rude, obnoxious and abusive and in the end I walked out”.

    Mr Zabar said that at the meeting on Friday, Mr Akbar apologised for his behaviour. Mr Zabar, who has five children, said his oldest two had gone through Oldknow without problems.

    “Eleven years we’ve had children going through that school and we’ve not had an issue until last year,” he said. “I am adamant that unless something seriously changes my youngest two are not going to the school.”

    Mr Zabar, who has complained to his MP, Liam Byrne, about the school, said he was frustrated at the lack of accountability for schools like Oldknow, which have become academies with much more freedom from local authority and government control.

    “When we complained we were pretty much told that they were an academy, they can do what they want,” he said. “It shouldn’t have to get to this situation for someone to start paying attention. I shouldn’t have to contact my MP, there should be a phone number you can call.”

    Mr Zabar said he had thought carefully about his decision to go public but said: “I have to do something now, there’s no other option. I am hoping that by being the first person to go on the record, it will encourage other parents to speak out.”

    Mr Akbar, Oldknow’s acting head, denied that any children had been drilled or that staff had been threatened.

    In an angry 10-minute tirade, he accused The Sunday Telegraph of a “hate campaign” and said: “I’ll give you a hundred parents, two hundred parents, why are you speaking to one parent? The parents’ meeting was the best meeting we’ve ever had. Why weren’t you there, you idiot? Why weren’t you there, you t---? Why are you a racist?”

    A spokesman for Park View said that no anti-American views had been expressed at assemblies and that Mr Sloan had been suspended after allegations of racism were made against him.


    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • 'Jihadist plot to take over Birmingham schools'
     Reply #78 - June 28, 2014, 12:02 PM

    Few years old but a good watch.

    Panorama: British Schools Islamic Rules

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN3eKN-ybG8

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • 'Jihadist plot to take over Birmingham schools'
     Reply #79 - June 29, 2014, 09:13 AM

    Big Questions debate on the subject two weeks ago.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67L_T9ieXuU&feature=player_embedded

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • 'Jihadist plot to take over Birmingham schools'
     Reply #80 - June 30, 2014, 04:45 PM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtV_WcKcSzU

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • 'Jihadist plot to take over Birmingham schools'
     Reply #81 - June 30, 2014, 05:29 PM

    To Mr Peter Hitchens and others for promoting religious teaching as fact in schools. Hey I have an idea, how about this. If you want to pray or learn about religion..............GO TO CHURCH ON SUNDAY!!!!!

    Just a crazy idea of mine.

    I am better than your god......and so are you.

    "Is the man who buys a magic rock, really more gullible than the man who buys an invisible magic rock?.......,...... At least the first guy has a rock!"
  • 'Jihadist plot to take over Birmingham schools'
     Reply #82 - June 30, 2014, 06:06 PM

    Peter Hitchens in the Big Questions clip claimed that 'extremism' is a meaningless word and he may have a point.

    May I suggest a new term for 'religious extremism' and call it 'religious consistency' as any bible-thumping wingnut who suggests that we should stone gays or adulterers to death is not actually being 'extremist' but is rather being 'consistent' with his holy book.

    I am better than your god......and so are you.

    "Is the man who buys a magic rock, really more gullible than the man who buys an invisible magic rock?.......,...... At least the first guy has a rock!"
  • 'Jihadist plot to take over Birmingham schools'
     Reply #83 - June 30, 2014, 06:15 PM

    True Adey!
  • 'Jihadist plot to take over Birmingham schools'
     Reply #84 - June 30, 2014, 06:57 PM

    Big Questions debate on the subject two weeks ago.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67L_T9ieXuU&feature=player_embedded


    The comments below it are fascinating.  
  • 'Jihadist plot to take over Birmingham schools'
     Reply #85 - June 30, 2014, 07:05 PM

    In what way?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • 'Jihadist plot to take over Birmingham schools'
     Reply #86 - June 30, 2014, 07:08 PM

    They just seem to be more open than I have seen in the past in such a public forum as under an uploaded BBC programme. Less cagey, in some ways exposing Islam with some big debate between two or three Muslims about Islam. So debate within the community not between Muslims and non-Muslims.
  • 'Jihadist plot to take over Birmingham schools'
     Reply #87 - June 30, 2014, 07:16 PM

    To Mr Peter Hitchens and others for promoting religious teaching as fact in schools. Hey I have an idea, how about this. If you want to pray or learn about religion..............GO TO CHURCH ON SUNDAY!!!!!

    So good I tweeted it. In inverted commas, of course.
  • 'Jihadist plot to take over Birmingham schools'
     Reply #88 - June 30, 2014, 07:23 PM

    So good I tweeted it. In inverted commas, of course.


    Tweet this too!

    Peter Hitchens in the Big Questions clip claimed that 'extremism' is a meaningless word and he may have a point.

    May I suggest a new term for 'religious extremism' and call it 'religious consistency' as any bible-thumping wingnut who suggests that we should stone gays or adulterers to death is not actually being 'extremist' but is rather being 'consistent' with his holy book.

  • 'Jihadist plot to take over Birmingham schools'
     Reply #89 - July 01, 2014, 04:48 PM

    Bread and Roses (with Maryam Namazie & friends) with an interview of Aliyah Saleem who had been in Islamic school in both the UK and then Pakistan. Interesting tale.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy4s80lDDbk

    Danish Never-Moose adopted by the kind people on the CEMB-forum
    Ex-Muslim chat (Unaffliated with CEMB). Safari users: Use "#ex-muslims" as the channel name. CEMB chat thread.
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