You mentioned your presumptuousNess that and your arrogance is very typical and doesn't bother me in the least.
I am sorry that you’ve found me to be arrogant. I do, however, hope that it isn’t because I've demanded evidence and rejected your claims that had none behind them.
My bad otherwise. Not intentional. I can see how I might come off that way.
I have also on doctors orders mediated numerous patients to mask minor symptoms of the body having difficulty tolerating the interdiction of blood that is not an ideal match.
Like I said, blood transfusions can have risks.
Before this conversation even started I explained why I wasn't interested in having this conversation.
As I said before, you basically engaged me in this argument from my statements about vaccines (which again you’ve never mentioned since I explained your gross error) and my position that you don’t get to deny your kid lifesaving treatment. I don’t understand why you’re saying that you didn’t want to have this discussion. I’m not holding you against your will.
1) The intolerance and selfrighteous attitude of people who will demand their right to want ever while at the same time inflicting their will on someone else.
I feel like I’ve made myself so incredibly clear about my positions on your religion, Lynna. I could not care less about what you believe or what you do, provided that it harms no one but yourself. And refusing medical treatment for your kids when that treatment is the best option for their condition is not your right in the eyes of the United States law, nor should it be.
For WHAT REASON! ?! Because that child might grow up to be an apostate like you. LOL. No by the highest percent not.
I’m sorry, Lynna, but if this is seriously what you believe I’ve suggested the only reason is, or that it is even an important reason, you clearly have not been reading anything that I wrote. Or I need to somehow make myself clearer. I can't think of any way to make it clearer, though.
So our children can show they know more about mercy and tolerance then you have the ability to show. So they show they can have a Christ like spirit answer can forgive the people who assaulted them unjustly just like Jesus forgave the people who assault and ill treated him.
Your children won’t show us a thing if they died because you refused them a life-saving medical treatment.
Three's comment was classic. But I am sure see's herself as a kind and reasonable person.
She has good reason to see herself that way. I'm still not trying to be a dick to you, but I suppose it's no use either way, since it sounds to me like you're now comparing the trials of having your words criticized by people like three and I to the burden of Jesus' crucifix.
one article doesn't prove anything..
The only article I sent you was a compilation of the ruling of the Supreme Court cases on the matter. You tried to tell me that the Supreme Court has had your back, Lynna, and it didn’t take me long to find the precise opposite.
3) You keep on posting that Jehovah's Witnesses want to kill their children.
I humbly invite you to quote me having said even one time that JWs want to kill their children. Luckily, cases of children needing blood transfusions to save their lives are quite rare, so the vast majority of you will never even be tested in this way. In fact, I came across one case where a JW family was facing shunning by the JW community after allowing their child to have a blood transfusion to save the child’s life. So clearly, no, not all of you are going to put your child’s life in danger. However, it has happened. And JWs have been taken to court over it. And they have lost.
I still hold out hope that if you believed your child needed a blood transfusion to live, you'd let him live. I don't think you're that far gone.
If you've got time to type and match a unit of blood there is time to get the patient t a hyperbarichamper. But anyhow long before oxygenaction is a problem You'll have to worry about shock form volume depletion. LR could even work.
Is that so? No matter where you are in the world, you are only steps away from a free and functional hyperbaric chamber? Are there ones on every corner? In every hospital? In the field? On a corner next to every Starbucks? The people who died after childbirth and car accidents as JW refusing transfusions also declined to use the hyperbaric chamber that was totally an option at the time?
What if, God forbid, you are in a place that does not have a hyperbaric chamber, and your child is in imminent danger of exsanguination. What then, Lynna?
Anyway, besides the obvious flaw with the availability of the chambers, particularly in situations like emergency transport after critical injuries, there are conditions where HBOT has not been proven to be a viable replacement for conventional treatments:
http://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatmentsandsideeffects/complementaryandalternativemedicine/herbsvitaminsandminerals/hyperbaric-oxygen-therapyClaims about alternative uses of HBOT include that it destroys disease-causing microorganisms, cures cancer, relieves chronic fatigue syndrome, and decreases allergy symptoms. A few supporters also claim that HBOT helps patients with AIDS, arthritis, sports injuries, multiple sclerosis, autism, stroke, cerebral palsy, senility, cirrhosis, Lyme disease, and gastrointestinal ulcers. Available scientific evidence does not support these claims. Because of that, the FDA has sent a warning letter to at least one manufacturer about promoting HBOT for unproven uses. The FDA considers oxygen to be a drug, meaning it must be prescribed by a physician or licensed health care provider to treat illnesses or health conditions.
Furthermore, there are people who cannot use the chambers without extreme risks, and sometimes exsanguination/medical emergencies don’t politely wait for these issues to resolve:
include myopia (short-sightedness) that can last for weeks or months, sinus damage, ruptured middle ear, and lung damage. A complication called oxygen toxicity can result in seizures, fluid in the lungs, and even respiratory (lung) failure. Patients at high risk of oxygen toxicity may be given "air breaks" during which they breathe ordinary air rather than pure oxygen for short periods during treatment.
People with severe congestive heart failure may have their symptoms worsened by HBOT. Patients with certain types of lung disease may be at higher risk of collapsed lung during HBOT. Pregnant women should be treated with HBOT only in serious situations where there are no other options. People getting certain chemotherapy drugs (such as bleomycin, doxorubicin, or cisplatin) should not get HBOT. Anyone getting disulfiram (Antabuse) or using sulfamylon cream should not get HBOT, nor should anyone with a collapsed lung.
A person with a pacemaker, high fever, or even a cold can be harmed by HBOT. Someone with claustrophobia would likely have trouble being in the HBOT chamber.
Hyperbaric oxygen chambers can be a fire hazard: fires or explosions in hyperbaric chambers have caused about 80 deaths worldwide. Medical hyperbaric chambers today are generally well-built and have good safety records, but certain cautions must always be observed.
Relying on this treatment alone and delaying or avoiding conventional medical care for cancer may have serious health consequences.
Here’s some other articles that confirm these findings:
http://qjmed.oxfordjournals.org/content/97/7/385.2.fullhttp://www.aetna.com/cpb/medical/data/100_199/0172.htmlAnyway, Lynna, you’ve managed to do it again. You’ve managed to totally ignore the inconvenient questions again. You ignored Osmanthus the first time he asked you what you would say if there were not an available hyperbaric chamber. You apparently just found it beneath you to provide Ishina with an answer. And you’ve ignored me pretty much since I’ve been talking, as you still somehow fail to understand that I am only talking about how it will not be your right to decide whether your child lives or dies regardless of the therapy you have a personal feud against if it comes down to it.
"if you were told that your child is going to die without a blood transfusion by actual, real medical doctors whom you trusted, are you still saying it is your right to refuse?"
This a straightforward question. Can we get a straightforward answer, instead of walls of text full of red herrings and weaselling?
I’m going to ask you once again to just answer the question, Lynna. This has been the subject from the start, and I'm getting a little tired of reminding you.
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