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  • I disapprove of what you say
     OP - November 06, 2013, 02:09 PM

    I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
    -Voltaire-

    Do you agree with it?
    Now that I have left Islam, for me it's even impossible to defend someone who is saying " women are inferior". How can I defend someone whom I totally disagree with? Is it intolerant?
    Freedom of expression means everything, so would you defend someone saying that " wife beating is not a big deal"?
    Or in general, defending someone promoting violence ?
  • I disapprove of what you say
     Reply #1 - November 06, 2013, 02:34 PM

    You're not defending the message, you're defending the right for someone to express what they think, even if it's batshit crazy. This way, opposing and counter arguments can freely be expressed too and hopefully, right minded people will know which message to take on board and accept. But people are batshit crazy anyway so fuck 'em.
  • I disapprove of what you say
     Reply #2 - November 06, 2013, 08:08 PM

    ^ That. yes

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • I disapprove of what you say
     Reply #3 - November 06, 2013, 08:34 PM

    Hitch on free speech
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyoOfRog1EM

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • I disapprove of what you say
     Reply #4 - November 06, 2013, 09:24 PM

    I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
    -Voltaire-

    Do you agree with it?
    Now that I have left Islam, for me it's even impossible to defend someone who is saying " women are inferior". How can I defend someone whom I totally disagree with? Is it intolerant?
    Freedom of expression means everything, so would you defend someone saying that " wife beating is not a big deal"?
    Or in general, defending someone promoting violence ?


    Yes. Our non-religious views were perceived as Bat-shit crazy in the past, and the right to freely speak quite certainly helped us gain credibility. I think that there are many grey areas though.
  • I disapprove of what you say
     Reply #5 - November 06, 2013, 10:00 PM

    You're not defending the message, you're defending the right for someone to express what they think, even if it's batshit crazy.

    Yeah, i confused the two ideas. Ok now i start defending their right to say bullshit. What if i go on street screaming "islam is bullshit" (which currently i cant) and they consider me an islamophobe? Will they listen to my bullshit?
    Expression of freedom means everything and it shouldnt be even one-sided

    Thanks for the video!  Afro


  • I disapprove of what you say
     Reply #6 - November 07, 2013, 07:04 AM

    Ok now i start defending their right to say bullshit. What if i go on street screaming "islam is bullshit" (which currently i cant) and they consider me an islamophobe? Will they listen to my bullshit?
    Expression of freedom means everything and it shouldnt be even one-sided


    This Afro

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • I disapprove of what you say
     Reply #7 - July 07, 2018, 10:33 PM

    Since international audiences tend to not understand my natural twang, I was using my "none Brits listening" voice. I start at 1:01:20.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvNeZnr-Sfo

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • I disapprove of what you say
     Reply #8 - August 08, 2018, 05:52 PM

    Thread split.
  • I disapprove of what you say
     Reply #9 - August 09, 2018, 02:43 PM

    Since international audiences tend to not understand my natural twang, I was using my "none Brits listening" voice. I start at 1:01:20.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvNeZnr-Sfo

    QSE   I am listening .. I am listening you ..Though you are in right path but you could not convince that guy on wrong paths of blasphemy and could not  question him on his example a lady praying story to defend "State/Rulers" using Blasphemy laws...

    I don't think that fellow understands Blasphemy laws of faiths  and how they were/they are used

    you see if it was written exchange of ideas on that debate I believe you could have done much better in defending your views,   Anyways I am glad to hear your voice on that "Freedom of Speech"  but you could not  defend that freedom of speech when he tried to corner you with that lady story..  let me hear that again  1:01:20.  to 1:11:00 of that tube

    with best wishes
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • I disapprove of what you say
     Reply #10 - August 12, 2018, 01:32 AM

    I don;t think he understands either, but on the point about the old woman in the chapal, why would I try to argue against her belief? In that context, it just seems cruel.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • I disapprove of what you say
     Reply #11 - August 25, 2018, 06:35 PM

    yeez, I actually want an answer., You said I couldn't question him. I very easily could. But on this particular subject, why would I? As I said, in that context, it just seems cruel. Assuming by question you mean I should of argued for slagging off a grieving woman's comfort.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • I disapprove of what you say
     Reply #12 - August 25, 2018, 08:44 PM

    yeez, I actually want an answer.,

    QSE... RAVEN....lol... I will give you answer .. but I need to transcribe that discussion in to words..
    Quote
    You said I couldn't question him. I very easily could. But on this particular subject, why would I? As I said, in that context, it just seems cruel. Assuming by question you mean I should of argued for slagging off a grieving woman's comfort.

      Nope.. noooo.. I didn't say that..  here what I said was
    Quote

    Though you are in right path but you could not convince that guy on wrong paths of blasphemy and could not  question him on his example a lady praying story to defend "State/Rulers" using Blasphemy laws..

    and.. add that to the text below dear QSE
    you see if it was written exchange of ideas on that debate I believe you could have done much better in defending your views,   Anyways I am glad to hear your voice on that "Freedom of Speech" but you could not  defend that freedom of speech when he tried to corner you with that lady story..  let me hear that again  1:01:20.  to 1:11:00 of that tube ..


    But I will get back on that Ha! it took a month for you to come back on that Cheesy

    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • I disapprove of what you say
     Reply #13 - September 15, 2018, 10:43 AM

    QSE... RAVEN....lol... I will give you answer .. but I need to transcribe that discussion in to words..

    So, are you going to? As apparently you need to.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • I disapprove of what you say
     Reply #14 - September 17, 2018, 05:24 AM

    So, are you going to? As apparently you need to.

    yes  i need do that .. dear QSE...time problem..  sleeping problem ..  but let me watch this...and think about this a bit

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfuXseuHyko

    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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