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  • Muslim Hospitality in London
     Reply #30 - August 26, 2013, 05:59 AM

    I know what would solve this problem, marching up and down the street, scaring people, breaking shit, and using racial slurs. Problem solved!

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Muslim Hospitality in London
     Reply #31 - August 26, 2013, 03:44 PM

    But make sure to have at least ONE brown friend on standby incase anyone screams racism. You know what they're like don't ya'?

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Muslim Hospitality in London
     Reply #32 - September 03, 2013, 03:16 PM

    I agree there is a tendency for some Muslims to adopt views that some may perceive to be extreme but by the same token a lot of Muslims are more tolerant and liberal. More Muslims then ever are participating in the wider community, discussing atheism, accepting homosexuality, dismissing female segregation and promoting democratic/secular values.

    This is a contrast from attitudes in the 1980's/90's when the above was very, very rare. Some may say 'well, I heard a Muslim say something about Shariah law'. Take some sociology lessons and you will better understand social dynamics. It is a false dichotomy to say that whereas before you did not hear some Muslims making waves about a particular issue but now you do. Prior to the media attention lots of Muslims no doubt had these thoughts, it's just that the media did not report them or the section of the community did not have a voice (the internet) other than pamphleteering or holding local meetings.

    Some Muslims who some may claim to have extreme views are reacting, rightly so, to racial profiling, racist stereotypes and issues of social identity. These are variables one must consider and discuss such issues in an academic environment and not allow the fascists to hijack the debate.

    Why do I have such a strong reaction to the video and OP? Because my family are Muslim. Friends, cousins, loved ones and it makes my blood boil when such stereotypes are peddled out. It fills me with rage that people, intelligent people, would watch such a video and then go on to smear others on the basis of looks or belief.

    This kind of mentality is as corrosive as any other for it justifies all sorts of violence to be committed on the majority of people who, by the way, have a right to believe what ever it is they wish to believe.

    Oh and Nour, you live in the US and you do not witness extremist or reactionary views? Come of it now! Try FOX News, the Republican Party. Some of those extremists and reactionaries hold public office and are in the judicial system. They range from climate change sceptics, Islamaphobes, racists, homophobes, Christian evangelists who attempt to precipitate the Apacolypse, war criminals, gun activists, pro-life lunatics, war mongers, mysogynysts and anti-semites.

    We, the British, are relatively sane!




    That's a load of tosh, a survey recently couldn't find a single Muslim that didn't want being gay to be against the law, some 40% of Muslim students wanted sharia law, a large group thought it was ok to kill in the name of religion.

    Yes, there are many that are peaceful working folk but there are enough of the other sort who are not and pose a big problem for the rest of us.

    Any one in the Muslim community (if there is such a thing) is shouted down if they are at all forward thinking, like the Iman who talked about Darwin, thrown out of his own Mosque.
    So don't try and make out that every thing is hunky dory, because it is not.

    Arthur.
  • Muslim Hospitality in London
     Reply #33 - September 03, 2013, 03:25 PM

    Coincidently I just opened a thread to discuss muslims and homosexuality. and I think I know what survey you're on about, it was 30% not 40%. It was also stated 80% identify as British, which is the highest level in Europe to identify with their country of birth, something I feel we should be proud of.

    The gay thing, you got me there. however I am willing to accept what Jedi says as he actually comes from an islamic background. Do you have no hope that in a generation or two things will improve for the better?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Muslim Hospitality in London
     Reply #34 - September 03, 2013, 03:26 PM


    That's a load of tosh, a survey recently couldn't find a single Muslim that didn't want being gay to be against the law,



    I'm sorry, but I don't believe this.  Even as a muslim I was completely accepting of homosexuality, and had my own reasoning for why it must be a mistake in the quran.

    I also think this can't be true, since there are fucking muslims who want to open gay friendly mosques http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22892609 , so I ask, where were their voices when the survey was being conducted?  Hmmm?

    Quote

     some 40% of Muslim students wanted sharia law, a large group thought it was ok to kill in the name of religion.


    This though, wouldn't surprise me, I grew up around nothing but this idea, and only ever physically met one muslim who struggled to accept these views, but she still believed sharia was better.


    Quote
    So don't try and make out that every thing is hunky dory, because it is not.

    Arthur.


    I;d kind of lay the same statement back at you though, don't make out that it is all as black and white as some survey, since as I have shown, there are gay muslims who do not think it should be against the law, and I doubt you'll find them backing sharia.

    Also, 40% of muslim students supporting sharia, is still the minority.  

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Muslim Hospitality in London
     Reply #35 - September 03, 2013, 03:31 PM


    That's a load of tosh, a survey recently couldn't find a single Muslim that didn't want being gay to be against the law, some 40% of Muslim students wanted sharia law, a large group thought it was ok to kill in the name of religion.

    Hello arthur2 .. King arthur of CEMB.. How are you doing.. glad to read you again.

    Well that could be load of tosh., but that is also important to notice that there is an another side  and other type of Muslims out there..  Do you disagree with me??

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    Yes, there are many that are peaceful working folk but there are enough of the other sort who are not and pose a big problem for the rest of us.

     So what% of Muslims are other sort  that pose problems to folks  like you and %of Muslims are peaceful Muslims in your neck of the world arthur2?

    Quote
    Any one in the Muslim community (if there is such a thing) is shouted down if they are at all forward thinking, like the Iman who talked about Darwin, thrown out of his own Mosque.

     You have a point there., that may be because other side is NOT present in that group in that particular mosque.

    Quote
    So don't try and make out that every thing is hunky dory, because it is not.

    You are right. it is  not all hunky dory,.. Anyways please continue to read CMB..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Muslim Hospitality in London
     Reply #36 - September 03, 2013, 03:36 PM

    Cheers Berbs, good link. Haven't heard of the Inclusive Mosque Initiative for a while, good to see them getting attention. There was also the gay mosque in France.

    http://www.english.rfi.fr/france/20121206-gay-friendly-mosque-stirs-controversy-france's-Muslims

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Muslim Hospitality in London
     Reply #37 - September 03, 2013, 04:56 PM

    Just FYI for the newer folks arthur is an EDL member.

    fuck you
  • Muslim Hospitality in London
     Reply #38 - September 03, 2013, 05:27 PM

    Ohh, fun! Here looking for allies I'm assuming?

    Is he this kind of EDL

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z9wTBrr3XI

    Or this kind?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StxIA13-6FE

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Muslim Hospitality in London
     Reply #39 - September 03, 2013, 06:57 PM

    Coincidently I just opened a thread to discuss muslims and homosexuality. and I think I know what survey you're on about, it was 30% not 40%. It was also stated 80% identify as British, which is the highest level in Europe to identify with their country of birth, something I feel we should be proud of.

    The gay thing, you got me there. however I am willing to accept what Jedi says as he actually comes from an islamic background. Do you have no hope that in a generation or two things will improve for the better?


    Yes, I do hope, but I don't know and that scares me.
    It's good that 80% feel like this but what about the 20%?

    Arthur.
  • Muslim Hospitality in London
     Reply #40 - September 03, 2013, 07:15 PM

    Yes, I do hope, but I don't know and that scares me.
    It's good that 80% feel like this but what about the 20%?

    Arthur.

    Talk to me  My lord King arthur2  .. You are not answering me.. you are not talking to me..

    So you think 80% of Muslims are good folks? and 20% bad??

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Muslim Hospitality in London
     Reply #41 - September 03, 2013, 07:15 PM


    I'm sorry, but I don't believe this.  Even as a muslim I was completely accepting of homosexuality, and had my own reasoning for why it must be a mistake in the quran.

    I also think this can't be true, since there are fucking muslims who want to open gay friendly mosques http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22892609 , so I ask, where were their voices when the survey was being conducted?  Hmmm?

    This though, wouldn't surprise me, I grew up around nothing but this idea, and only ever physically met one muslim who struggled to accept these views, but she still believed sharia was better.


    I;d kind of lay the same statement back at you though, don't make out that it is all as black and white as some survey, since as I have shown, there are gay muslims who do not think it should be against the law, and I doubt you'll find them backing sharia.

    Also, 40% of muslim students supporting sharia, is still the minority.  


    I am aware that surveys don't always give a complete answer but they do give an inkling of things in general.

    A gay friendly Mosque but will they be allowed or will they be attacked, I fear the latter.

    We mostly, over a few hundred years put Christianity in it's place and forced them to move with the times and have an almost secular society but we haven't got a few hundred years to do the same to Islam and it appears to be growing.

    Arthur.
  • Muslim Hospitality in London
     Reply #42 - September 03, 2013, 07:20 PM

    I am aware that surveys don't always give a complete answer but they do give an inkling of things in general.

    A gay friendly Mosque but will they be allowed or will they be attacked, I fear the latter.

    Common arthur2 .. Be brave man .. you sound like timid guy ., Go with a Muslim  guys or girls.,  have a cup of coffee...

    Quote
    We mostly, over a few hundred years put Christianity in it's place and forced them to move with the times and have an almost secular society but we haven't got a few hundred years to do the same to Islam and it appears to be growing.

    Arthur.

    Really,  you did that? EDL did that?  or am I talking to different arthur? you put Christians where they belong?   How did you do it arthur2?

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Muslim Hospitality in London
     Reply #43 - September 03, 2013, 07:37 PM

    Hello arthur2 .. King arthur of CEMB.. How are you doing.. glad to read you again.

    Well that could be load of tosh., but that is also important to notice that there is an another side  and other type of Muslims out there..  Do you disagree with me??
     So what% of Muslims are other sort  that pose problems to folks  like you and %of Muslims are peaceful Muslims in your neck of the world arthur2?
     You have a point there., that may be because other side is NOT present in that group in that particular mosque.
    You are right. it is  not all hunky dory,.. Anyways please continue to read CMB..


    Hi Yeezevee, yes of course, Muslims are not one amorphous mass, individuals will be different with different views but the problem is not individuals but Islam and the jihadists that follow hard line Islam and actually it doesn't need many to cause destruction and that destruction then causes people to want revenge and to act without thinking. that's the big danger.
    Another 7/7 may light a fuse that can't be put out, some thing I fear greatly. I don't want to see this sort of chaos, whereby people who have done no wrong become targets.

    I don't think anyone has any idea how many hardliners are hiding amongst us because we only find them out when they get caught. so % wise I have no idea.

    I read CEMB with great interest.

    Arthur.
  • Muslim Hospitality in London
     Reply #44 - September 03, 2013, 07:44 PM

    Common arthur2 .. Be brave man .. you sound like timid guy ., Go with a Muslim  guys or girls.,  have a cup of coffee...
    Really,  you did that? EDL did that?  or am I talking to different arthur? you put Christians where they belong?   How did you do it arthur2?


    I have Muslim friends. We enjoy the occasional bong together.
    No I didn't mean me, I meant the country over a long period of time, I'm only 70, not 200.

    What do you mean by timid?

    Arthur.
  • Muslim Hospitality in London
     Reply #45 - September 03, 2013, 07:52 PM

    I have Muslim friends. We enjoy the occasional bong together.
    No I didn't mean me, I meant the country over a long period of time, I'm only 70, not 200.

    What do you mean by timid?

    Arthur.

     Thank you Mr. arthur2., What is there in age .. it is just a number I am close to 90 and  would love to live to 200. Anyways I am so glad to note  that you have Muslim friends. Well I said "timid"  because I was under the impression that you had no Muslim friends and never met any one.  But I am wrong .. So you say
    ........................
    I don't think anyone has any idea how many hardliners are hiding amongst us because we only find them out when they get caught. so % wise I have no idea.

    But in the same way Muslims may have Apostates among themselves living along with them., And they  have very good idea how to  point out hardliners and pull their ears  and   tell them what is wrong with them.  Off course they  don't do that in Public.

    So are you from EDL?  And why  you don't   have a  idea of what  % of Muslims are hardliners?  

    with best regards
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Muslim Hospitality in London
     Reply #46 - September 03, 2013, 08:32 PM

    Edward Norton is so not feeling appreciated right now...
  • Muslim Hospitality in London
     Reply #47 - September 03, 2013, 08:57 PM

    Thank you Mr. arthur2., What is there in age .. it is just a number I am close to 90 and  would love to live to 200. Anyways I am so glad to note  that you have Muslim friends. Well I said "timid"  because I was under the impression that you had no Muslim friends and never met any one.  But I am wrong .. So you sayBut in the same way Muslims may have Apostates among themselves living along with them., And they  have very good idea how to  point out hardliners and pull their ears  and   tell them what is wrong with them.  Off course they  don't do that in Public.

    So are you from EDL?  And why  you don't   have a  idea of what  % of Muslims are hardliners?  

    with best regards
    yeezevee


    Yes been with EDL since day one.

    Hmme, maybe they should do it in public, make people aware that there is a fightback going on.

    I'm from Hackney and there is a great variety of different people there, including Muslims.

    Arthur.
  • Muslim Hospitality in London
     Reply #48 - September 03, 2013, 09:09 PM

    Yes been with EDL since day one.

    Hmme, maybe they should do it in public, make people aware that there is a fightback going on.

    I'm from Hackney and there is a great variety of different people there, including Muslims.

    Arthur.

    Frankly speaking I know very little about EDL., I wonder whether you could educate the folks about the goals and Aims of EDL.. may be there forum and their web site discussions. I am sure EDL must also have diverse folks with different views on "How to defend English"..

    By the way,  is this EDL is for defending English Language?  or England or English way of Life??    Do they hate French people?

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Muslim Hospitality in London
     Reply #49 - September 03, 2013, 10:27 PM

    I'm happy to do that, the mission statement of the EDL,
    http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/mission-statement/

    This is the first part, go to the above for the rest as it;s too long to publish in full.

    The world is a dangerous place to live in; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don’t do anything about it. – Albert Einstein, refugee from Nazi Germany

    People have been asking what the EDL is all about, what does it want to achieve, how will it achieve those things?

    Well now the English Defence League has a Mission Statement……

    (1) HUMAN RIGHTS: Protecting And Promoting Human Rights

    The English Defence League (EDL) is a human rights organisation that was founded in the wake of the shocking actions of a small group of Muslim extremists who, at a homecoming parade in Luton, openly mocked the sacrifices of our service personnel without any fear of censure. Although these actions were certainly those of a minority, we believe that they reflect other forms of religiously-inspired intolerance and barbarity that are thriving amongst certain sections of the Muslim population in Britain: including, but not limited to, the denigration and oppression of women, the molestation of young children, the committing of so-called honour killings, homophobia, anti-Semitism, and continued support for those responsible for terrorist atrocities.

    Whilst we must always protect against the unjust assumption that all Muslims are complicit in or somehow responsible for these crimes, we must not be afraid to speak freely about these issues. This is why the EDL will continue to work to protect the inalienable rights of all people to protest against radical Islam’s encroachment into the lives of non-Muslims.

    We also recognise that Muslims themselves are frequently the main victims of some Islamic traditions and practices. The Government should protect the individual human rights of members of British Muslims. It should ensure that they can openly criticise Islamic orthodoxy, challenge Islamic leaders without fear of retribution, receive full equality before the law (including equal rights for Muslim women), and leave Islam if they see fit, without fear of censure.

    British Muslims should be able to safely demand reform of their religion, in order to make it more relevant to the needs of the modern world and more respectful of other groups in society. It is important that they completely reject the views of those who believe that Islam should be taken in its ‘original’, 7th century form, because these interpretations are the antithesis of Western democracy. The onus should be on British Muslims to overcome the problems that blight their religion and achieve nothing short of an Islamic reformation. In line with this, we should do all that we can to empower those who are willing to take this path. We must also ensure that they do not fear reprisals from those who, in line with these 7th century interpretations, would force sharia law upon them.

    The EDL calls upon the Government to repeal legislation that prevents effective freedom of speech, for freedom of speech is essential if the human rights abuses that sometimes manifest themselves around Islam are to be stopped.

    We believe that the proponents of radical Islam have a stranglehold on British Muslims. These radicals dominate Muslim organisations, remain key figures in British mosques, and are steadily increasing their influence. Radical Islam keeps British Muslims fearful and isolated, especially the women that it encases in the Burqa. It misrepresents their views, stifles freedom of expression, and indoctrinates their children, whilst continually doing a discredit to those who do wish to peacefully co-exist with their fellow Britons.


    Arthur.
  • Muslim Hospitality in London
     Reply #50 - September 03, 2013, 10:32 PM

    More of our mission statement,

    (2) DEMOCRACY AND THE RULE OF LAW: Promoting Democracy And The Rule Of Law By Opposing Sharia

    The European Court of Human Rights has declared that ‘sharia is incompatible with the fundamental principles of democracy’. Despite this, there are still those who are more than willing to accommodate sharia norms, and who believe that sharia can operate in partnership with our existing traditions and customs. In reality, sharia cannot operate fully as anything other than a complete alternative to our existing legal, political, and social systems. It is a revolution that this country does not want, and one that it must resist. Sharia is most definitely a threat to our democracy.

    The operation of Islamic courts, the often unreasonable demand that Islam is given more respect than it is due, and the stealthy incursion of halal meat into the food industry, all demonstrate that sharia is already creeping into our lives. Resentment is already beginning to grow, and could create dangerous divisions if nothing is done. The primacy of British courts must be maintained and defended, fair criticism of religious and political ideologies must be permitted, and consumers must be provided with the information necessary to avoid halal produce should they wish.

    Restaurants and fast food chains that do offer halal options should offer non-halal alternatives as well, in order to show respect for other people’s religions, customs, and possible concerns about animal welfare issues (surrounding ritual slaughter). No one should be made to consume halal produce unwittingly, so it must always be labeled – in supermarkets, in restaurants, in schools, and in hospitals – wherever it is available. Free choice in these matters is, after all, a fundamental human right for everybody, not just the Muslim community.

    Sharia law makes a fundamental distinction between Muslims and non-Muslims, and the EDL will never allow this sort of iniquitous apartheid to take root in our country. The EDL will therefore oppose sharia appeasement in all its forms, and will actively work to eradicate the sharia-compliant behaviours that are already being adopted, and enforced, in our society.

    (3) PUBLIC EDUCATION: Ensuring That The Public Get A Balanced Picture Of Islam

    A central part of the EDL’s mission is public education. The British political and media establishment have, for a long time, been presenting a very sanitised and therefore inaccurate view of Islam, shaped by the needs of policy-makers rather than the needs of the public. This has acted as a barrier to informed policy-making and made finding the solution to real problems impossible. In pursuing this self-defeating and destructive policy, the Government has effectively been acting as the propaganda arm of the Muslim Brotherhood. Whether or not is aware of the predicament that it has put itself in, it has so far failed to honestly admit its failures.

    We are committed to a campaign of public education to ensure that all aspects of Islam that impact on our society can debated in an open and honest way. Demonisation of Muslims, or of Islam’s critics, adds nothing to the debate. We believe that only by looking at all the facts can society be most effectively and humanly governed. If there are aspects of Muslim tradition that encourage the activities of Islamic radicals and criminals then these need to be properly addressed without fear of accusations of racism, xenophobia, or the even the disingenuous term ‘Islamophobia’.

    The public must be provided with a more realistic and less sanitised view of Islam that allows it to ensure that decision-makers are held to account for their policy-making choices, choices that affect the harmony and security of the nation.

    The EDL promotes the understanding of Islam and the implications for non-Muslims forced to live alongside it. Islam is not just a religious system, but a political and social ideology that seeks to dominate all non-believers and impose a harsh legal system that rejects democratic accountability and human rights. It runs counter to all that we hold dear within our British liberal democracy, and it must be prepared to change, to conform to secular, liberal ideals and laws, and to contribute to social harmony, rather than causing divisions.
  • Muslim Hospitality in London
     Reply #51 - September 03, 2013, 10:38 PM

    And finally,

    (4) RESPECTING TRADITION: Promoting The Traditions And Culture Of England While At The Same Time Being Open To Embrace The Best That Other Cultures Can Offer

    The EDL believes that English Culture has the right to exist and prosper in England. We recognise that culture is not static, that over time changes take place naturally, and that other cultures make contributions that make our shared culture stronger and more vibrant. However, this does not give license to policy-makers to deliberately undermine our culture and impose non-English cultures on the English people in their own land.

    If people migrate to this country then they should be expected to respect our culture, its laws, and its traditions, and not expect their own cultures to be promoted by agencies of the state. The best of their cultures will be absorbed naturally and we will all be united by the enhanced culture that results. The onus should always be on foreign cultures to adapt and integrate. If said cultures promote anti-democratic ideas and refuse to accept the authority of our nation’s laws, then the host nation should not be bowing to these ideas in the name of  ’cultural sensitivity’. Law enforcement personnel must be able to enforce the rule of law thoroughly without prejudice or fear. Everyone, after all, is supposed to be equal in the eyes of the law.

    The EDL is therefore keen to draw its support from people of all races, all faiths, all political persuasions, and all lifestyle choices. Under its umbrella, all people in England, whatever their background, or origin, can stand united in a desire to stop the imposition of the rules of Islam on non-believers. In order to ensure the continuity of our culture and its institutions, the EDL stands opposed to the creeping Islamisation of our country, because intimately related to the spread of Islamic religion is the political desire to implement an undemocratic alternative to our cherished way of life: the sharia.

    Our armed forces stand up and risk their lives every day in order to protect our culture and democratic way of life. They are also reflective of England’s diversity, and are a shining example of what a people can achieve when united together. The EDL is therefore committed to opposing any and all abuse that our men and women in uniform are subjected to, and will campaign for legal remedies to ensure that those working within these important institutions are not exposed to abuse or aggression from within our country.

    (5) INTERNATIONAL OUTLOOK: Working In Solidarity With Others Around The World

    The EDL is keen to join with others who share our values, wherever they are in the world, and from whatever cultural background they derive. We believe that the demand for sharia is global and therefore needs to be tackled at a global as well as national level, so that this demand will never be succumbed to. The EDL will therefore have an international outlook to enhance and strengthen our domestic efforts, whilst at the same time contributing to the global struggle against Islamic intolerance of Western cultures, customs, religions, politics, and laws. The time for tolerating intolerance has come to an end: it is time for the whole world to unite against a truly Global Jihad.


    Is there anything that you would disagree with in our mission statement?

    Arthur.
  • Muslim Hospitality in London
     Reply #52 - September 03, 2013, 10:42 PM

    oh FFS not this shite again ^^^

    Why are you still spamming this forum with your EDL apologia? Years you've been doing this

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Muslim Hospitality in London
     Reply #53 - September 03, 2013, 10:43 PM

    Well now the English Defence League has a Mission Statement……

    Mission failed.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Muslim Hospitality in London
     Reply #54 - September 03, 2013, 10:44 PM

    Hate the French, we don't hate anyone, we just love our country and are trying to protect our way of life. Hate is a very strong word.

    Arthur.
  • Muslim Hospitality in London
     Reply #55 - September 03, 2013, 10:49 PM

    oh FFS not this shite again ^^^

    Why are you still spamming this forum with your EDL apologia? Years you've been doing this


    Oh come on Billy, I'm not spamming, I was asked and I answered. I didn't even mention EDL until some one said I was EDL and I was asked questions, you're being unfair mate.

    Arthur.
  • Muslim Hospitality in London
     Reply #56 - September 03, 2013, 10:49 PM

    Mission failed.


    How so?

    Arthur.
  • Muslim Hospitality in London
     Reply #57 - September 03, 2013, 10:50 PM

    Round and round and round and round and round in circles, chasing your tail. How many times have you had this conversation here arthur? Its like a  version of Groundhog Day.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Muslim Hospitality in London
     Reply #58 - September 03, 2013, 11:04 PM

    I'll make it simple. The Manifesto, there's chunks of it I agree with. I acknowledge that the mission statement is about none violence, tries to be inclusive to all walks of life, etc but it doesn't play out like that.

    People say islam is a religion of peace. Many don't believe that because of the actions of some of the followers. Mock executions, actual executions, death threats, screaming about the kuffar and whatnot.

    EDL claims to not be against muslims. but it doesn't play out like that. No more mosques, allah is a peado, paki this and paki that, warnings to all muslims, every muslim watching this on youtube we hold you accountable, and so on.

    So even though I read your manifesto with an open mind, even though I agree with some of what I'm reading, whether you personally see it or not does not change the fact that in action, in real life, it's very different.

    If you didn't deliberately go to muslim areas, if you enforced a zero tolerance against racism in all it's forms from your members, if you asked imams to join you for a cuppa and focused all your protesting to the Saudi embassy when they whip or kill someone for being an atheist or force girls to stay inside a burning building to be roasted alive because they aren't covered, did counter protests against extremists at home and PURLY against them, you would come across so much differently, sort of a combination of UAF and One Law For All.

    if the EDL can do this, be welcoming to moderate muslims and focus exclusively against the jihadi sympathises and preachers, you will be looked on so differently. Go hold a counter protest to Andy Choudary and his ilk. Protest against them like UAF protests against you. Go hold a counter protest against Sharia Patrol. Go hold a protest against FGM. Protest against forced marriage. Protest about police not wanting to tackle child rapists for fear of being labled racist. And make it exclusively things you SHOULD be protesting about, not marching through Sparkhill or outside mosques and saying to every muslim watching this we are coming for you. Do this, and I promise you the EDL will be seen in a positive light.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Muslim Hospitality in London
     Reply #59 - September 03, 2013, 11:35 PM

    It's late and I'm off to bed, I'll answer tomorrow, good night, may your dreams be happy ones.

    Arthur.
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