Quod Sum Eris vs. Ishina
Reply #7 - August 14, 2013, 11:21 PM
You've misunderstood my post, by saying that we have no solid proof to back up the multiverse and the other points I made, I was reasoning from what we currently know. We cannot have more information than the knowledge available to us. The current knowledge we have of the universe I'm summarised and as I've pointed out the multiverse idea has nothing to back it up. All we know if that this universe exists and so far as we currently know it's the only universe. Everything that could possibly exist that we don't even know about yet, as you put it, can't be a factor in my argument because if there are things we have yet to discover, as I suspect to be the case, we haven't discovered them yet, let alone had time to properly understand them.
Your point that if the universe was designed with us in mind. Now I never actually said this. The fact the universe looks so much like it is designed, to the point that even if you disagree you can't deny with intellectual honesty it would be perfectly logical to see a universe that appears to be designed to come to the conclusion that it might be. As I said before,looks like a duck, swims like a duck, quacks like a duck, might it not be a duck?
Trying to find explications that don't involve god is fine, and I'm not saying there aren't some good ideas out here, but saying there is nothing to lead intellectually in the opposite direction so far as current knowledge allows is at best bias, at worse intellectual dishonesty.
As for your other points, see my comments on the origin of life and human evolution. I will also add I fully acknowledge the sheer unlikelihood of us existing at all. Which I would also add to the universe itself. So far as we know our universe is the only universe that it, and until there is solid proof or at least an argument compelling enough for a multiverse, the sheer unlikeliness of our universe even existing as it is (a universe where we could exist at all) is staggering.
`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'