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  • 'Shame, shame, shame': Australia's first Muslim frontbencher abused for taking o
     OP - July 02, 2013, 02:27 AM

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    The Prime Minister's new parliamentary secretary, Ed Husic, has been subjected to a torrent of racial abuse online for being sworn in to his position with a Koran.
    Mr Husic became Australia's first Muslim frontbencher on Monday when he was appointed to Kevin Rudd's new-look ministry as parliamentary secretary to the Prime Minister and parliamentary secretary for Broadband.
    "This is a wonderful day for multiculturalism, and everything it stands for in our country," Governor-General Quentin Bryce told Mr Husic during the swearing-in ceremony in Canberra on Monday.

    Ed Husic, with the copy of the Koran with which he was sworn in as a parliamentary secretary. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen
    However, after receiving dozens of messages of congratulations on his Facebook page, the comments quickly turned to disgust and outrage that he had chosen to be sworn in on the Muslim holy book.
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    Some called it un-Australian and unconstitutional.
    "Our allegiance should have been to Queen and Country first Ed. That means saying the oath on the holy bible not the Koran.... Shame, Shame, Shame," posted one user, Ross Peace. "I am so disappointed in this government that they don't have the spine to stand up for the Australian way of life."
    Another user, Therese Pearce, said she was "disgusted and embarrassed" for the Australian people.
    "Hell i might just have to use snow white and the 7 dwarfs next time i take the oath for australia," she posted.
    One user, Anna Dean, claimed his decision to be sworn in on the Koran undermined "our culture and country and constitution in this way".
    Another user, Carrie Forrest, accused him of disregarding Australia's constitution and pushing for sharia law.
    Mr Husic has previously said that he is a moderate Muslim who does not involve himself heavily with most of the religious customs and behaviours of the faith.
    Asked about his religion in 2010, he told the ABC: "If someone asks me, 'Are you Muslim?' I say yes. And then if someone says, 'Well do you pray and go to a mosque and do all the other things that are associated with the faith?' I say no.
    "I often get told that I describe myself as non-practising when in actual fact I don't go round saying that. Like I just say 'I'm Muslim'."
    President of the Anti-Discrimination Board and Chairperson of the NSW Community Relations Commission Stepan Kerkyasharian said it was "a sad day for any society" when someone is abused because of their religion.
    He said Mr Husic could act as a valuable bridge between the Muslim community and would put Australia at an advantage in the international community.
    "It should be an interesting and positive milestone that someone of migrant heritage has come to Australia and has now, through our democratic process, reached a position of leadership," he said.
    Mr Husic, 43, the son of Bosnian Muslim migrants, became the first Muslim to be elected to Parliament when he won his western Sydney seat of Chifley in the 2010 election with 51.58 per cent of votes, almost double that of his next competitor.
    In 2010, he was sworn into Federal Parliament alongside members from several religions. Kooyong member Josh Frydenberg and Melbourne Ports member Michael Danby were sworn in on the Jewish bible.

    Lawyer and community rights advocate Mariam Veiszadeh said there was too often an assumption that being a good Australian citizen and a good Muslim were "mutually exclusive concepts".
    "You can be a devout Jew and a good Australian parliamentarian who serves your country just as equally as you can be a practicing Muslim and a good Australian citizen and politician," she said.
    "It is ignorant for people to conflate irrelevant issues and it stems from the Muslim bashing that has been going on in this country for a decade."
    Fairfax Media is seeking comment from Mr Husic.


    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/shame-shame-shame-australias-first-muslim-frontbencher-abused-for-taking-oath-on-koran-20130702-2p8l2.html#ixzz2XqogTEwI


    I feel so sad that he has to be bullied into saying he's not practising. #culturalMuslim #atheistMuslim

    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • 'Shame, shame, shame': Australia's first Muslim frontbencher abused for taking o
     Reply #1 - July 02, 2013, 02:33 AM

    Why do nihilistic and illiberal christians make me want to puke more so than their islamic counterparts?

    The same could be said for far left Stalinists and their right wing nazi counterparts.
  • 'Shame, shame, shame': Australia's first Muslim frontbencher abused for taking o
     Reply #2 - July 02, 2013, 05:19 AM

    It's about when the goodie turns out to be a baddie. No-one likes that film.
  • 'Shame, shame, shame': Australia's first Muslim frontbencher abused for taking o
     Reply #3 - July 02, 2013, 06:15 AM

    Been experimenting with psychedelics?
  • 'Shame, shame, shame': Australia's first Muslim frontbencher abused for taking o
     Reply #4 - July 02, 2013, 06:52 AM

    I feel so sad that he has to be bullied into saying he's not practising. #culturalMuslim #atheistMuslim



    Pathetic behaviour from the Aussies.

    Jila, is it not  equally possible that he could well be an atheist being bullied into pretending he is still a Muslim?

    According to the polls only 1.6 % of Americans are athiests. So what gives you the right to call the other 80% morons?'
  • 'Shame, shame, shame': Australia's first Muslim frontbencher abused for taking o
     Reply #5 - July 02, 2013, 09:29 AM

    British common-wealth is a secular country, therefore he shouldn't be allowed to swear oaths under either the bible or the quran. I'd be raising my eyebrows if he was an islamist and tied to some wahabi groupings, but obviously he just seems like your average round normal muslim.
  • 'Shame, shame, shame': Australia's first Muslim frontbencher abused for taking o
     Reply #6 - July 02, 2013, 09:53 AM

    No, its normal to swear oaths on the bible. Nothing wrong with what he did. Bunch of tossers who are having a go at him.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • 'Shame, shame, shame': Australia's first Muslim frontbencher abused for taking o
     Reply #7 - July 02, 2013, 10:13 AM

    Been experimenting with psychedelics?

    I'm on Japan time, baby. And digging big holes in the ground is as good as psychedelics, esp. when labour is chased with beer.
  • 'Shame, shame, shame': Australia's first Muslim frontbencher abused for taking o
     Reply #8 - July 02, 2013, 12:03 PM

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    Jila, is it not  equally possible that he could well be an atheist being bullied into pretending he is still a Muslim?


    What is the chance of that when he has publicly said he is "not practising"? Julia Gillard was open about her atheism, others are open about their whateverisms, it's trendy or something.
    But this is bleak because, I dunno, would people have an issue if they knew he went to a funeral in a mosque? *gasp*! (keeping in mind he got into the spotlight in 2010 for a mosque related issue).

    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • 'Shame, shame, shame': Australia's first Muslim frontbencher abused for taking o
     Reply #9 - July 02, 2013, 03:26 PM

    Wow, this really sucks. "Australian way of life" and "Australian values" have to be two of the most annoying empty phrases thrown around by reactionary bigots. Do they care to define these divine values and the tenets of this way of life for us?
  • 'Shame, shame, shame': Australia's first Muslim frontbencher abused for taking o
     Reply #10 - July 02, 2013, 04:22 PM

    Songlines and didgeridoos. The thread of history
  • 'Shame, shame, shame': Australia's first Muslim frontbencher abused for taking o
     Reply #11 - July 02, 2013, 05:06 PM

    Wow, this really sucks. "Australian way of life" and "Australian values" have to be two of the most annoying empty phrases thrown around by reactionary bigots. Do they care to define these divine values and the tenets of this way of life for us?


    They obviously point to Western values. Judeo-Christian based culture with some monarchistic framework. Even if australians might be mostly atheist, they see christianity and christian symbols as a "western" religion and a iconic for their culture. It's because they have de-ethnified and deracialized their perception of their culture, so they look for religious definitions to fill the void of ethnic nationalism. Just like USA. In the USA, it was tradition that only whites be allowed political power, specifically whites of anglo-saxon descent(who were majority at one point) to hold positions of power.  Today the seal of power is granted to people who're assimilated or represent white culture. They elected Obama, because he's as far from african-american as possible. The reason why australians went haywire when he was sworn in, is because they can't certify if he's "culturally" like them, or not. Because they associate christianity, first and foremost with the white/european majority. Just like Islam is traditionally associated with "Saracens", swarthy/brown middle-easterners.

    It makes sense, when people think of and depict muslims, they think of egyptians/afghans/iraqis/saudis/syrians/palestinians and what have you, they never visualize them as indonesians or east-asians, the former who compromise the absolute majority of muslims.

    It's sort of funny, how even religion is "racialized". It's one of the fuelling points and contentions for bigots, that islam is a "non-white" religion, practiced by swarthy bearded savages wearing the ethnic clothing of middle-easterners and south-central asians. Which is sort of funny, considering that jesus and the first christian congregations were most likely swarthy "saracens".  It's just as Jews were depicted by anti-semites in europe as some sort of conniving swarthy alien middle-easterners, even if jews are a mixed bunch.

    Which is why I meticiously reject the majority of "islam" criticism from the west. Because it's mostly not based on some theological objections, but rather it has become a more "kosher" way to attack non-whites, racial categories that mostly muslims belong to.
  • 'Shame, shame, shame': Australia's first Muslim frontbencher abused for taking o
     Reply #12 - July 02, 2013, 06:54 PM

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    "Our allegiance should have been to Queen and Country first Ed. That means saying the oath on the holy bible not the Koran.... Shame, Shame, Shame," posted one user, Ross Peace.

    Not the brightest lamp in the street, then.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • 'Shame, shame, shame': Australia's first Muslim frontbencher abused for taking o
     Reply #13 - July 03, 2013, 02:12 AM

    Even if australians might be mostly atheist, they see christianity and christian symbols as a "western" religion and a iconic for their culture. It's because they have de-ethnified and deracialized their perception of their culture, so they look for religious definitions to fill the void of ethnic nationalism.

    Got any broader brushes in your toolkit? grin12


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    The reason why australians went haywire...........

    There are appoixmately 20 million Australians. How many went haywire? My guess is that, like me, most of them didn't really care. Being sworn in on the Quran isn't any dafter than being sworn in on a Bible, IMO. Australia is in no danger whatsoever of being overrun by Islamists, and most people are sensible enough to know this, AFAICT. Smiley


    Quote
    Not the brightest lamp in the street, then.

    Exactly. In a country of 20 million people, you're bound to have several hundred thousand complete idiots. Them's the breaks.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • 'Shame, shame, shame': Australia's first Muslim frontbencher abused for taking o
     Reply #14 - July 04, 2013, 12:19 PM

    Just saw:


    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • 'Shame, shame, shame': Australia's first Muslim frontbencher abused for taking o
     Reply #15 - July 04, 2013, 06:07 PM

    I'm on Japan time, baby. And digging big holes in the ground is as good as psychedelics, esp. when labour is chased with beer.


    Like with a shovel?

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • 'Shame, shame, shame': Australia's first Muslim frontbencher abused for taking o
     Reply #16 - July 04, 2013, 06:09 PM

    Wow, this really sucks. "Australian way of life" and "Australian values" have to be two of the most annoying empty phrases thrown around by reactionary bigots. Do they care to define these divine values and the tenets of this way of life for us?


    Same in America. I'm pretty sure the definition is just "being white".

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • 'Shame, shame, shame': Australia's first Muslim frontbencher abused for taking o
     Reply #17 - July 04, 2013, 06:19 PM

    Same in America. I'm pretty the definition is ...........".

    Hmm..  I didn't   know AMRIKA is like that ..



    yes.....  two pretty boys....

    Ooops  i didn't read the OP post.. it says..

    I feel so sad that he has to be bullied into saying he's not practising. #culturalMuslim #atheistMuslim

    The Prime Minister's new parliamentary secretary, Ed Husic, has been subjected to a torrent of racial abuse online for being sworn in to his position with a Koran.

      And this is Ed Husic..??



    I wonder what race does that peach boy come from??   may be these online Australian  drongos  are just  RELIGIOUS BIGOTS ..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • 'Shame, shame, shame': Australia's first Muslim frontbencher abused for taking o
     Reply #18 - July 04, 2013, 08:37 PM

    I'm pretty sure the definition is just "being white".

    I'm pretty sure it's not everything. Not having a foreign accent is very important too !
  • 'Shame, shame, shame': Australia's first Muslim frontbencher abused for taking o
     Reply #19 - July 05, 2013, 12:43 PM

    Same in America. I'm pretty sure the definition is just "being white".

    ...and non-Muslim. Somehow I think there'd be very little outrage if Husic -- a white dude -- was Jewish or atheist (we just had one of those as PM) or pretty much anything bar Muslim or perhaps Scientologist/cult member.

    Funny how my cousins in the Netherlands told me the bigots there similarly rant about "Dutch values" (which are also never defined).
  • 'Shame, shame, shame': Australia's first Muslim frontbencher abused for taking o
     Reply #20 - July 05, 2013, 12:46 PM


    And that is why a conversation is needed to define values so they can be inclusive.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • 'Shame, shame, shame': Australia's first Muslim frontbencher abused for taking o
     Reply #21 - July 05, 2013, 12:48 PM

    ^ Precisely.
  • 'Shame, shame, shame': Australia's first Muslim frontbencher abused for taking o
     Reply #22 - July 05, 2013, 12:54 PM

    And it won't be an easy conversation to have, because if secularism and free conscience are going to be included in the values to aspire to, that means religion will be contested and some will get upset, because their vision of 'inclusive' might mean, giving religion protection from scrutiny. Its complex.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • 'Shame, shame, shame': Australia's first Muslim frontbencher abused for taking o
     Reply #23 - July 05, 2013, 01:26 PM

    And it won't be an easy conversation to have, because.....................

    well .. when it is not easy   ban people ..

    I don't know,  may be it works, but  I am not sure it is the right way..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • 'Shame, shame, shame': Australia's first Muslim frontbencher abused for taking o
     Reply #24 - July 09, 2013, 06:09 PM

    (keeping in mind he got into the spotlight in 2010 for a mosque related issue).


    I'm curious to hear about that one. Got any pointers/additional information? Couldn't readily find any stories on that.

    Funny how my cousins in the Netherlands told me the bigots there similarly rant about "Dutch values" (which are also never defined).


    Totally similar with "Danish values". And while I like to think we have "something" as a common ground here (Grundtvig!) I, as an inbred Danish Dane with more Danish-ness on top of it, get really sickened when I see many of the posts on online fora like Facebook and our local newspapers by my fellow "Danish value"-country(wo)men. It is preposterous, but very harmful, hate mongering. No wonder many of our more isolated (by family/friends/general cultural community/identity) immigrants feel attacked by "the Danes" and the media in general.

    Luckily, when I talk to family and friends and most other people it is much more reasonable. Popular online media can really get some people going. Always remember to add your own reasonable amount of salt. However, sometimes I run out of salt and just want to nuke the discussions from orbit. It is the only way to be sure.

    In a country of 20 5.6 million people, you're bound to have several hundred thousand complete idiots. Them's the breaks.

    I like your point of view! Number adjusted to reflect Denmark banghead

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  • 'Shame, shame, shame': Australia's first Muslim frontbencher abused for taking o
     Reply #25 - July 09, 2013, 06:54 PM

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    I'm curious to hear about that one. Got any pointers/additional information? Couldn't readily find any stories on that.

    There was some mosque being built somewhere, I think it was for the Bosnian community (can't remember atm) and he made the "mistake" of giving them his blessings. The mosque was protested and never got built. Anyway he came on TV and started talking about how he's not practising and whatever.

    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • 'Shame, shame, shame': Australia's first Muslim frontbencher abused for taking o
     Reply #26 - July 09, 2013, 08:19 PM

    A politician who wanted to promote secularism would not swear in on any religious book.



    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • 'Shame, shame, shame': Australia's first Muslim frontbencher abused for taking o
     Reply #27 - July 09, 2013, 10:02 PM

    There was some mosque being built somewhere, I think it was for the Bosnian community (can't remember atm) and he made the "mistake" of giving them his blessings. The mosque was protested and never got built. Anyway he came on TV and started talking about how he's not practising and whatever.


    Ah. That was the 2010 ABC interview referred to thnkyu

    I asked because we have this whole mosque-discussion-thing going here in Denmark

    Preventing Bosnian Muslims from building a mosque might not be the wisest thing to do. In my experience they are so moderate that you really want them to feel welcomed in your broader community. And I think they could be good allies against extremism in general. However if it would be built with Saudi money and provided with Saudi-indoctrinated Wahabi scholars I would kind of be opposed to it. Like totally.

    A politician who wanted to promote secularism would not swear in on any religious book.

    Agree on that one. I wonder what atheists swear in on down there?

    I would really also like to get rid of the state church-thingy around here. Thank god we got rid of the swearing-on-the-bible-thing loooong time ago. Now we just have to get that stuff and the royalty out of the constitution (and the latter one out of government institutions except perhaps for the Department of tourism and conservative hypocrisy)

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  • 'Shame, shame, shame': Australia's first Muslim frontbencher abused for taking o
     Reply #28 - July 10, 2013, 01:27 AM

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    Agree on that one. I wonder what atheists swear in on down there?

     

    If I were being "sworn in" into office  I would say the following


    " I don't think putting my hand on a book and saying words is sufficient to prove that I will honor the promises I make to you. Instead I will have a one hour session every week where any journalists and opposition members can ask me any questions about my past and current performance as well as my future plans to hold me accountable for the decisions I make or fail to make.  " 

    ( I think they have something like that in Britain called question time or something but there is nothing like that in the United States or Canada and I would like to see that changed)


    Putting your hand on a book and saying " I swear by this book that I will fulfill my promise" is just plain childish and insults the citizens of the country your supposed to serve by assuming they are gullible enough to believe it.




    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • 'Shame, shame, shame': Australia's first Muslim frontbencher abused for taking o
     Reply #29 - July 10, 2013, 02:49 AM


     I wonder what atheists swear in on down there?


    Our previous PM was public about her atheism

    Quote
    When Julia Gillard was sworn in as Prime Minister she used an ‘affirmation’ – not the traditional oath on the Bible. When asked about religion yesterday on the ABC, she said she didn’t believe in God and is “not a religious person” although she was brought up in the Baptist Church. She said “I’m not going to pretend a faith I don’t feel” but added that she respected the religious views of others.

    http://catchthefire.com.au/2010/06/julia-gillard-and-religious-faith-please-vote-in-polls/

    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

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