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  • Syria
     Reply #210 - December 23, 2016, 12:03 AM

    Sir Yeezevee
    People are scared to write in favor of Moderate Sunni rebels. If you write in favor, you are being accused of supporting ISIS, Al nusra and ISIS by shias and far right Christians.

    Reality is that, Assad forces have violated human rights. Extreme torture and barbarism has been showed by assad forces on their own civilians.
    If I post torture of assad forces, people here can't sleep for at least 1 night.

    It has became a crime to call yourself sunni muslim.

    I fully support moderate and secular sunni rebels against oppressive shia regimes in iraq and syria.

    I am not even muslim anymore, but I was born into sunni family. Sunni people are nicest people I have ever seen.
    They are wrongly described as ISIS and alqueda.

    Assad has no discrimination for secular moderate sunni and sunnies in ISIS and al queda.

    ISIS and Al queda are extremists, and they don't represent simple ordinary average sunnies.

    So I will not support this bull shit claim that assad is very nice and rebels are american agents.

    I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
  • Syria
     Reply #211 - December 23, 2016, 01:50 AM

    Sir Yeezevee
    .............................
    So I will not support this bull shit claim that assad is very nice ............


    abidali2018240   read this

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=19934.msg567595#msg567595

    i wrote that on feb 2012 ............5 years ago

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    this fellow the eye Doctor should leave the office and do something to good to people instead of talking nonsense "I am only president..I  am not In-charge" bullshit..


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    well leave the power to politicians and GO AWAY..

    why play the game of " I have nothing to do with what is happening in the country".. I am a just president  silly  game ??


    please read in that folder the discussion between me and sprout., after that we will talk ..  incidentally   THERE WAS NO SUNNI OR SHIA ISLAM to start with

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Syria
     Reply #212 - December 24, 2016, 10:03 AM

    Some critical opposition voices.

    Razan Ghazzawi: https://mobile.twitter.com/RedRazan/status/812327395181133824

    Budour Hassan: https://mobile.twitter.com/Budour48/status/812012674536144896
  • Syria
     Reply #213 - December 24, 2016, 11:49 AM

    https://iranwire.com/en/features/4263
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    On December 15, as buses were getting ready to evacuate people from East Aleppo, which had just fallen to the forces of Bashar al-Assad, IranWire spoke to a local resident of the city, a  young woman who was born in Aleppo and has lived there most of her life. She gave us her take on the tumultuous events of the last few days.

     
    Can you tell us a bit about yourself?

    My name is Rabia (it’s not my birth name but that’s the name I use) and I was born in East Aleppo to a Sunni family. I have a degree in Arabic literature from Damascus University. I live with my parents and was preparing to be a teacher before the war began. Since then, I’ve tried to take part in efforts to teach the abandoned children of East Aleppo, despite all the difficulties involved.

     
    How would you describe your political outlook?

    I consider myself an Arab socialist and I supported the revolution against Bashar al-Assad from early on. I have also always been opposed to political Islam and entry of its forces into the Syrian movement.

     
    What was your experience of the takeover of East Aleppo by Assad’s forces?

    The last few weeks have been a horrendous experience and have led many who remained in Aleppo all these years to finally take the sad decision to leave. The indiscriminate bombardment of Assad and Russia (we can’t tell which is which when the airstrikes come) had brought us under a shadow of fear unlike anything we had ever seen.

    Ever since Aleppo was taken by the rebels in 2012, we’ve been through a lot of hardships but I think these last few weeks were worse. I know children who I had taught who were killed simply because they were playing outside at the wrong time. It wasn’t the events of the last few days but the indiscriminate bombardment of the last few weeks that really terrified us. For a few days, it really looked like a game: buildings were destroyed and people dying on a random basis. There was nowhere to hide and no stop to the violence.

    The takeover by Assad’s forces came at the end of that string of bombardment. Of course, we are horrified by it and I know at least one young man without any connection to the armed groups who has disappeared since. When it comes to those who were actively supporting the rebel forces, some were executed immediately.

    Most importantly, it was a real fall in spirit for us.  Assad has shown that you can kill half a million of your own people and still be president with the help of sectarian foreign mercenaries. It is an insult to our dignity to call it liberation.

     
    What has been the character of the rebels who ruled over East Aleppo in the past four years?

    From the beginning, it was the Islamist groups that prematurely (in my opinion) led the armed separation of East Aleppo. Ever since then, it has been mostly different Islamist groups that control different parts of town. A small district is also held by the Kurdish PKK [Kurdistan Workers’ Party] allies.

    As a socialist, I, of course, reject all the Islamist rebels. Some of them are particularly reactionary and are pawns of Qatar, Saudi Arabia or, particularly in the recent year or two, Turkey. Everybody here says that the “fall” of East Aleppo came about because of an agreement between Erdogan and Putin. But I have to add that there were some honest and just people among them, even in groups like Ahrar al-Sham, which split from Al Qaeda. This might be unbelievable, but I guess they had their own reasons not to alienate people from East Aleppo. Having said that, there was also a lot of abuse by these forces and they often took the aid that had come for the people and prioritized it for their own use.

     
    What about the White Helmets, the volunteer organization we’ve been hearing so much about? A western journalist recently claimed that no one had heard of them in East Aleppo.

    What? How can it be? Maybe she was confused. The White Helmets were there during many of the rescue operations and were true heroes, if you ask me. I know people who are now alive because they were pulled out of rubble by the White Helmets.

     
    But the journalist said they worked with Islamist groups. What do you know about this?

    She should come and live here and tell me: how is it possible not to co-operate and work with rebel groups that are in power? It breaks my heart when I see good people accused of being Al Qaeda or Takfiri pawns simply because they took over tasks of administration (which was obviously headed by armed groups) when no one else would. You know — making sure we had running water, distributing aid, etc.

     
    Will you leave on one of the buses that are evacuating East Aleppo now?

    To go to Idlib where I know no one and where it’s ruled by even worse groups? And do I take my old, frail mother with me? No. But we are terrified of the thought of what the goons of Assad will do in the next little while, so we are hoping to get to somewhere else.

     
    Did you have any opportunity to leave over the last four years?

    I don’t want to paint a heroic picture of myself, but we decided to stay put because we loved and continue to love Aleppo. Our life, our neighbors, our mosques, our churches, our grand, beautiful citadel. [She cries.] Excuse me, I don’t mean to get emotional, but all my life I’ve loved my homeland, Syria, the Arab nation, and now I have to watch it in these conditions. I used to say that we’d kick out Assad and re-build everything, but where is that hope now? What will be of Aleppo?

  • Syria
     Reply #214 - December 25, 2016, 12:21 AM

    Hmm, another western propaganda story. What kind of socialist you pretend to be when you prefer the sectarian salafis/jihadis over a socialist regime? She was living in Eastern Aleppo for 4 years and never wondered why she has never seen a non sunni there? And she is speaking exactly like Erdogan: PKK allies... she doesn't have to much consideration for her YPG socialist fellows... I wonder why...

    And the usual Assad bombing without mentioning that Assad has offered militants several times a deal and without mentioning how jihadis have killed the Eastern Aleppo civilians who were trying to escape to Western Aleppo.  Also the vast majority of White Helmets are former salafi militants.

    When it comes to Syria, Western media in general and especially the likes of The Guardian, CNN, The New York Time are as worse as RT. Just propaganda outlets for their governments. I recommend The Independent Robert Fisk.
  • Syria
     Reply #215 - December 25, 2016, 11:26 AM

    Karl reMarks channels Robert Fisk: http://www.karlremarks.com/2012/08/robert-fisk-reporting-from-syria-with.html
  • Syria
     Reply #216 - December 25, 2016, 11:49 AM

    Robert Fisk’s crimes against journalism
  • Syria
     Reply #217 - December 25, 2016, 11:53 AM

    Robert Fisk in 1993: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/anti-soviet-warrior-puts-his-army-on-the-road-to-peace-the-saudi-businessman-who-recruited-mujahedin-1465715.html
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    Anti-Soviet warrior puts his army on the road to peace: The Saudi businessman who recruited mujahedin now uses them for large-scale building projects in Sudan. Robert Fisk met him in Almatig

  • Syria
     Reply #218 - December 25, 2016, 10:02 PM

    Quote from: zeca
    As a matter of fact many western journalists are eager to enter eastern Aleppo, but they are denied entry by the regime, which controls all access points


    The author is a joke. No Western journalist in his right mind would have wished to enter Eastern Aleppo. The only places in Syria where a Western journalist can have access are regime and YPG held territories. Western journalists do not enter rebels held territories, because all of them who got there were either sold to ISIS or are used by Al Qaeda for ransom(that's one of the many ways Qatar finances Al Qaeda).

    The atrocities of Syrian regime are well known. Yet the western propaganda outlets and the western governments are keep trying to paint the opposition (by now overwhelmingly controlled by salafi/jihadi thugs) as an alternative to Syrian regime. And the strategy is to come with all kind of stories of human rights abuses commited by one side and conveniently brushing aside those from the other side.

  • Syria
     Reply #219 - December 26, 2016, 12:48 AM

    Twitter threads on disillusionment with the armed groups:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/al_7aleem/status/812528829289951233

    https://mobile.twitter.com/arabthomness/status/813003865029222400
  • Syria
     Reply #220 - December 26, 2016, 01:31 AM

    No Western journalist in his right mind would have wished to enter Eastern Aleppo.

    I think you're over-estimating the sense of would be war correspondents.

  • Syria
     Reply #221 - December 26, 2016, 07:52 AM

    A Christian Syrian soldier story:
    The daily calls to surrender through loudspeakers became a form of psychological warfare, which greatly affected us. During one of my patrols, I spent the whole night listening to the same sentences repeated by someone from Jaysh al-Islam who called himself Abu Talib.
    “Throw down your weapons and come out”, “Sunnis, we will help you to reach your families”, “Alawites, death will be your destiny”, he kept repeating.


    Why I deserted the Syrian army
    http://www.middleeasteye.net/essays/why-i-deserted-syrian-army-1426583186


    Into the Tunnels
    The Rise and Fall of Syria’s Rebel Enclave in the Eastern Ghouta

    https://tcf.org/content/report/into-the-tunnels/
  • Syria
     Reply #222 - December 26, 2016, 07:58 AM

    I think you're over-estimating the sense of would be war correspondents.


     Smiley
  • Syria
     Reply #223 - December 26, 2016, 01:07 PM

    it is  difficult to access the ground realities in Syria  as it is sandwiched  between Turkish looney government and iraq international terror mafia but  http://www.aymennjawad.org/  of  Aymenn Jawad Al-Tamimi  gives up to date news on Syrian mess


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Syria
     Reply #224 - January 01, 2017, 05:08 PM

    New Year celebrations in Latakia: https://mobile.twitter.com/THE_47th/status/815552378799792128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=Nvpf30GOyqw
  • Syria
     Reply #225 - February 24, 2017, 05:31 PM

    Standing with Syrians: An Open Letter to an Anti-Imperialist
  • Syria
     Reply #226 - April 22, 2017, 12:47 PM



    Assad is not the only one ‘responsible’ for rise and deeds of IS

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    Talk to Syrian President Bashar al Assad’s enemies, and they’ll tell you he’s to blame for every man, woman and child who has been killed in his country. That’s 400,000 or 450,000 or 500,000.

    The figures, so carelessly put together by media, the UN and the various opposition groups who naturally want the statistics to be as high as possible, now embrace 100,000 souls who may — or may not — be still alive.

    But death tolls have nothing to do with compassion. They are about blame, about culpability.

    And the claim that Assad is responsible for every one of the dead rests on the notion that he “started the war”. In his case, this means that the arrest and torture — and in one case, reported killing — of a group of schoolchildren who had written anti-regime graffiti on a wall in the southern city of Dera’a, was the ignition switch for the mass opposition rallies and subsequent armed uprising which has devastated Syria.

    In the case of Dera’a, Assad realised the seriousness of the event — he fired the city governor and sent his deputy foreign minister, Faisal Mekdad, to see the families. Too late.

    In the age of Arab revolutions, routine torture was no longer excusable. And when large crowds of largely peaceful demonstrators were attacked by armed troops and militias, the Syrian war became unstoppable. But unlike the Tunisian and Egyptian regimes whose autocrats respectively fled to Saudi Arabia and an Egyptian hospital, Assad fought on.

    He declared war on “terrorism”, claiming that his armed enemies were paid and weaponised by the West — which was largely true — and that a plot was underway to overthrow him, which was very definitely true. And then the militant Islamic State group (IS) arrived.

    The notion has since grown up that IS was also a product of Assad’s war and that he was thus also to blame for their mass murders and throat-cuttings in Syria. This, of course, is nonsense.

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    IS was a creature born of the Bush-Blair invasion of Iraq. IS was the direct result of our brutal occupation of Iraq. The blood-curdling activities of IS are the responsibility of those two deeply Christian gentlemen who decided to illegally invade another sovereign state under false pretences and whose criminal adventure led to the deaths of up to half a million Iraqis — weirdly enough, the same death toll now being credited to Assad by his most ferocious enemies.


    But the word “responsibility” introduces another perspective. Who was “responsible” for the Syrian war? The Assad family, whose dictatorship stretched back to 1971, can be accused of creating a state whose intrinsic (and undemocratic) flaws would one day engulf the country in mass violence.

    Individual acts of repression — the Hama slaughter of 1982, for example — could be defined as war crimes, although the regime’s enemies were murdering Syrian officials and their families at the time and the Americans (the saintly Reagan) were then more than happy to allow Hafez el Assad to polish off his Muslim Brotherhood enemies.

    History time. The First World War was triggered, quite literally, by the killing of the Archduke Ferdinand at Sarajevo — but no one claims that Gavrilo Princip was either responsible or “to blame” for the killing of over 17 million people. We can blame the Germans, of course, who invaded Belgium and France, although oddly we never paid as much attention to Kaiser Wilhelm as we did to “Prussian militarism”.

    Perhaps because the Kaiser had a withered hand and was a rather pathetic figure, he never acquired the pariah status of later German monsters.

    And then we come to the Second World War — which means a dangerous journey into SpicerWorld. Between 60 and 70 million men, women and children were killed in this worst of all the titanic conflicts in history. And yes, we do blame Hitler and say that, yes, he and his Nazi raptors were actually responsible for the 1939-45 Second World War. And this would be correct.

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    This would probably have to exclude the Chinese who were invaded and occupied by the Japanese, for whom the war began in 1937. And of course, the Soviet Union was only invaded by the Nazis in June 1941 after enjoying almost two years of an outrageous alliance with Hitler. And the US only joined the war when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour in Dec 1941, after America had enjoyed more than two years of profitable neutrality.

    But Hitler then declared war on America — not the other way round — thus associating himself with Japan’s war crimes.

    And Hitler does, I believe, prove to be the undeniable exception. He wanted war and he wanted to kill the Jews — long before he was able to satisfy these truly evil aspirations. His Nazi regime was utterly irredeemable. It had not a single moral feature in its existence.

    He was to blame. He was culpable. He was responsible. And yes, he was a really wicked man. And he did use chemical weapons on the innocent Jews of Europe. I’ve just finished re-reading DC Watt’s extraordinary account of those last 12 months of peace — How War Came: Immediate Origins of the Second World War, 1938-39 — and I come away exhausted at the sheer villainy of Hitler and his henchmen, not to mention the shame of those democrats who tried to believe in him.

    But then we come to individual events. German invasions, the Blitz on Warsaw, Rotterdam, London, Belgrade, Warsaw again… All war crimes. And then we come to the RAF and the USAF which destroyed Dresden, whose mass civilian casualties — along with even greater numbers in the fire-storming of Hamburg — must be laid at the individual hands of Marshal Sir Arthur “Bomber” Harris.

    He knew that if you burn a medieval city, you kill civilians in their tens of thousands. And he went ahead and burned them.

    During the 1940 Blitz, he said of the Germans — slightly misquoting the Book of Hosea — that “they sowed the wind, and now, they are going to reap the whirlwind”. And Harris’s whirlwind tore through the German cities in a tempest of fire. So does a war crime expunge another war crime? Do Hiroshima and Nagasaki shrug off the criminal cloud because of the vicious imperial regime and its murderers which Japan imposed so cruelly upon its own occupied lands?

    So now let’s come back, carefully, frighteningly, to the Middle East. When Saddam Hussein, used gas “on his own people” at Halabja, he was, as we all know (but like to forget), killing Kurds who had aligned themselves with the Iranian enemy — with whom Saddam’s Iraq was in mortal combat.

    This cannot justify such wickedness. Trial recordings in Baghdad after Saddam’s hanging proved that he knew the physical effects of gas. Saddam wanted the people of Halabja to suffer before death.

    The fact that he did not personally drop the gas on the Kurdish town does not absolve him — any more than we were prepared to absolve the war crimes in Kosovo for which Slobodan Milosevic was indicted at The Hague. Because we believe not just in blame but in responsibility. Yet Harris, long dead, would say that while he took responsibility for Dresden, he was not to blame — it was Hitler, who “sowed the wind”, who was culpable. And thus we burrow down into the dark world of war crimes trials.

    We are told now that Bashar al Assad should be made amenable for war crimes. And national leaders should indeed be liable before international law. That includes not just regional Arab dictators — I can think of some Saudi princes who might stand in the dock for war crimes in Yemen, though I promise you they are safe from any such outcome — but leaders of much larger, much richer Western countries.

    And so we come back, naturally enough, to Messrs Bush and Blair. They never used gas. In fact, Blair’s constant refrain — that “we” weren’t as bad as Saddam — would become his mantra whenever he was accused of committing the crime of aggression. Saddam was to blame. He was responsible.

    And now anyone can use that line. Bashar is not as bad as the IS, you may say — although his enemies are getting close to claiming that he is. But no Baathist suicide killers are trying to massacre civilians in Paris, Brussels, London, St Petersburg or in the US.

    And here we must recall when Amnesty produced details of hanging in Assad’s prisons, that only a few years ago Bush and Blair themselves were dispatching civilians to be tortured in these very same prisons (along with their satellite jails in Egypt, Morocco and Libya) during their notorious policy of “rendition” — for Britain, it will be recalled, sent one of Qadhafi’s principal opponents off to Tripoli for a dose of prolonged torture and imprisonment.

    And didn’t we all love Saddam when he invaded Iran in 1980, even though we knew he hanged his enemies on mass gallows at the time at the Abu Ghraib prison, an institution to which we later turned our own torturing hands?

    Yes, it’s a pretty fraught question, this business of blame and culpability and guilt and responsibility. And war crimes. Putin’s not in the clear either. Ukraine. Sevastapol. The bombing of Aleppo. But what we need is evidence. Not anonymous officials and unnamed intelligence sources and all the other comedians on the journalistic stage. Nor the dead whose numbers wobble by a difference of 100,000 bodies.

    Let’s remember that the 30,000 dead of the Nazi bombing of Rotterdam turned out at Nuremberg to be nearer to 900 (still terrible, but not quite the same figure).

    So why not keep our fingers off the missile triggers for a while, restrain the Hollywood adventures of the “special forces” and those who love the “mother of all bombs”?

    Why don’t we find the lawyers and the judges and the legal clerks and the international police investigators and the judicial institutions which we were gathering long before the Second World War ended? Why not go after evidence?

    Who are the killers? Who gave them the orders? And this means not just who gave the orders to the killers of Syria. It also means — do not mention here the kings and prince of the Gulf — that we must discover who is really behind Isis? And that, I suspect, is the question of this decade.

    well I have to agree with some points of that feisty frisky...  But apart  from  Assad family, bush, blair ..Tomdick   dogcat ..Saddam  ..Saudi Snakes...  etc..etc.... I also  Blame  Allah ..Islam..  fucking bullshit in faith books ...faith heads and baboons of Islam for the mayhem  in middle east   and in Islamic world

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Syria
     Reply #227 - July 28, 2017, 07:59 PM

    This documentary by former diplomat Carne Ross has an interesting, if uncritical, report from Rojava towards the end.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=1focry81SQ8
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