This thread was a great and informative read. I guess I vaguely knew of the Saffiyah story back when I believed, but never knew more about it than the bullshit that was fed to me in the masjid.
The problem with the whole abrogation thing is that it is a completely man-made bunch of nonsense. The scholars were so worried about the conflicting verses that they had to comb through and figure out which verses might have abrogated which.
There are also hadith that abrogate hadith.
The whole thing is a bunch of bullshit because they can’t admit that the Qur’an and hadith contain contradictions. It’s so stupid because the very existence of abrogated verses means, by default, that the qur’an does contain contradictions.
Its’s so dumb, and I know I’m ranting right now, but I’m just amazed at how I ever even believed this shit. There are verses that were abrogated by other verses (like the verses about wine being cool as long as you’re not about to pray), verses that are still recited but their “legislative power” has been abrogated (like the verses about qisas and killing a woman for a woman and a slave for a slave), and verse that were erased but their legislative power remains (like the verse about stoning adulterers.)
The whole thing is such a mess and I don’t know how Muslim scholars can say this stuff and honestly believe that it is perfect, miraculous, and from God.
Agree 100% with everything in this post.