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  • In the US, mass child killings are tragedies. In Pakistan, mere bug splats
     OP - December 19, 2012, 04:15 PM

    Not sure if this belongs here, but this is just my own comments and what I've observed because we've been hearing this statement alot "In the US, mass child killings are tragedies. In Pakistan, mere bug splats"
    This is just my opinions and observations from an American point of view. So why?



    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/17/us-killings-tragedies-pakistan-bug-splats

    Unexpected
    In war torn regions causalities are always expected no matter how careful the military is. So when a child is a part of that casualty the American public and many in the global community don't even blink an eye. Be it in Afghanistan, Pakistan or Palestine. We've become so numb to hearing these causalities on a daily basis it does not phase many.

    Now compare that to any kind of tragedy in any region of the world (US and Europe) which is not involved in war. Not just the US but also the Norway shooter. A lot of attention. Why? Because it's unexpected. The people in the West don't have terrorist or foreign armies constantly trying to destroy the society. So that said, any sort of unexpected mass death is treated with such shock.

    However, that being said that doesn't mean that any life is valued any more than the next. The reaction of society determines how much attention they put on it.

    Degree of grieving by society and politics tangled in

    In Newtown right now, there are so many memorials and so many different organizations coming in to help the grieving, on television there are tributes to the victims. I went to an American football yesterday  and before the game started there was a moment of silence for the victims... Now compare that to the reaction of the death of the children in Afghanistan in their communities. Like I said I can't speak because I don't get news from there, but I'm sure it's not made as big a deal by the community EXCEPT for political reasons. Then the victims are forgotten the next week. No tributes, no memorials, just another number in a the war. And if Afghanistan treats it as such then so does the global community

    Politics mixed into the deaths of people ruins the grieving experience. For example, the children that got killed in Palestine, the first thing done before the funeral to raise the body of the child and use the death to bolster political feelings . In the Us even though gun violence is the political storm surrounding this tragedy it comes second. The feelings and grief is first, then after afterwards comes discussion for the tragedy. The same cannot be said for war torn countries. Which is not their fault because the death of child through war will spark more anger than grief. But does that have to be the case? The parents of Newtown could have been leading rallies against gun violence, and be angry at the people they 'felt' allowed that to happen. But they don't. So more people globally can rally around them, in their sadness. But it's harder to rally around people who use the deaths of children/people for fuel for anger, hate and political fodder which is what happens in warn torn countries. In fact! The child that was killed in Palestine the most people that came out for the family showed up for angry rallies... then once the rally was over calling for the death of Israel, everyone left and the family was left to grieve alone. It should be the other way around. So when the global world sees this, it ruins the sympathy. It's been the 4th day since the tragedy and there are STILL people with the families of the victims for support. There is no reason why a family in Israel can't feel the pain of losing a child alongside a Palestinian family. But thanks to politics the humanity is gone. And that's just tragic. And the it becomes a matter of which country deserves the most sympathy.

    Anger versus Sadness

    For someone to be taken away suddenly from their family it is inevitable for the survivors to feel anger at how that could happen. However, the feelings of anger if it overtakes the emotion of sadness of losing the victim then it takes away from the sympathy worldwide.
    I'll take another example. The shooting of that Jewish child in France. Obviously not a big attention as Newtown but still more global awareness than a death of a child in Afghanistan or Pakistan which goes unnoticed. Did the Jewish community rally around in anger at Muslims in the France chanting hateful slogans? Now back to the death of a child at the hands of Israel in Palestine, everyone rallies around in anger and call for more blood. Then it no longer becomes about the death and sadness. The Western world, cannot sympathize with the hate therefore they do not 'care' sadly about the children lost. However, the Western world can sympathize with the sadness of a family so whenever a tragedy occurs and that sadness is focused on then more people worldwide will join together in grieving.

    Obama's reaction and how leaders react

    And the big criticism is the president. Why would he shed tears for the kids in Newtown rather than the ones caught up in conflict at the hands of drone strikes. Well, first off they are their kids in his country, and the hurt is obviously going to be more. Whenever a tragedy happens American leaders make sure to be their in the flesh for support. I'm not so sure for other Middle Eastern countries. Perhaps the reaction of the leaders contribute to if the tragedies are a big deal or not. In America, we make a BIG deal of any tragedy. And we remember it for a long time. I'm not sure if I can say the same thing in the Middle East. I do like the fact that some leaders did visit the victims in Palestine, and I think it did help ALOT putting the spotlight on the family that was lost in the Israeli strike. However, like my previous point, the sadness was lost in hate and anger so the global community lost some of it's sympathy.  

    My last point is there are a lot of factors why the victims in America are a big deal and the ones in Afghanistan and other places aren't. My opinion is, that is all boils down to how society reacts to the death of its citizens and how death is treated. Death should be treated with respect and not used as political fodder, or a means for calling for more blood. The focus should always be on the families and the people who are suffering a lose.

    If anyone has any other thoughts or disagree please share. I am not in the Middle East so I am interested to hear how things are on that side.

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  • In the US, mass child killings are tragedies. In Pakistan, mere bug splats
     Reply #1 - December 20, 2012, 08:51 AM

    How about justifying the attacks on children because the US military defines an 8 year old in Pakistan as a militant, guilty until proven innocent? It's a pity what I read, really. Makes me sick to my stomach the justification that is squeezed from rocks. These are already 3rd world countries, so they're not exactly at the top of Maslow's heirachy, many still search for food to eat, so excuse them for not setting up a power point presentation with a description of each child. They walk in the streets and cry.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlLqm3eDYMg

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    The wider effects on the children of the region have been devastating. Many have been withdrawn from school because of fears that large gatherings of any kind are being targeted. There have been several strikes on schools since Bush launched the drone programme that Obama has expanded so enthusiastically: one of Bush's blunders killed 69 children.

    The study reports that children scream in terror when they hear the sound of a drone. A local psychologist says that their fear and the horrors they witness is causing permanent mental scarring. Children wounded in drone attacks told the researchers that they are too traumatised to go back to school and have abandoned hopes of the careers they might have had. Their dreams as well as their bodies have been broken.


    FML. Makes me so freaking sad. UGH Cry

    One more thing. Do the people at the memorials of these Western kids fear another shooting as they are grieving?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hstz3TgCNz0

    Speaking of grieving. I was in primary school when I saw the Mohammed Al-Durrah shooting. Every year since then, in the anniversary, people post online comments about it. Only Muslims of course, because no one else gives a flying F%%@. One example only, point is, just because you don't notice the annual remembrance, and it isn't fed to people in the west, it doesn't mean it isn't there.

    Sorry about the tone. I guess if Yemenis were shooting up their own schools they could have a decent talk about it. You can't really do that when it's some foreign invader constantly deciding your children's fate. Imagine that in America. Oh wait. 9/11. Look what that led to.

    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • In the US, mass child killings are tragedies. In Pakistan, mere bug splats
     Reply #2 - December 20, 2012, 08:57 AM

    How about justifying the attacks on children because the US military defines an 8 year old in Pakistan as a militant, guilty until proven innocent?...........

    Speaking of grieving. I was in primary school when I saw the Mohammed Al-Durrah shooting. Every year since then, in the anniversary, people post online comments about it. Only Muslims of course, because no one else gives a flying F%%@.  

    Yap bloody thugs., they fly drones in to children .. looking through their satellites they target 8 year olds inside the buildings..  For these rogues  It is fun to kill children ..

    Any ways.. Jila... kiddo what do you know about   Mohammed Al-Durrah shooting.??

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GWrVREoGUU

    that is what you know right??

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • In the US, mass child killings are tragedies. In Pakistan, mere bug splats
     Reply #3 - December 20, 2012, 09:29 AM

    nvm.

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • In the US, mass child killings are tragedies. In Pakistan, mere bug splats
     Reply #4 - December 20, 2012, 09:34 AM

    nvm.

     hmm. yes   it is not mature., maturity takes lot more time lot more thinking Sprout..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O_CMj_3fm4
    That is the famous camera man.. my man Talal  showed that footage  all over french TV and then to the world  .. and world raged with anger..kids wanted to do jihad... I wanted to kill some one..

    but life goes on..  facts come out .. truth is different .. realities are different..  and watch this one..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3geiT77mlY4

    Muhammad Al-Durrah's father and mother are interviewed in Cairo محمد الدرة   after few years..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5AJEfWSGrc

    fucking shit..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • In the US, mass child killings are tragedies. In Pakistan, mere bug splats
     Reply #5 - December 20, 2012, 09:52 AM

    for those of you who did not know anything about that famous muhammad al durrah incident..  



    Jamal and Muhammad al-Durrah filmed by Talal Abu Rahma for France 2

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    The Muhammad al-Durrah incident took place in the Gaza Strip on September 30, 2000, on the second day of the Second Intifada, amid widespread rioting throughout the Palestinian territories. Jamal al-Durrah and his 12-year-old son, Muhammad, were filmed by Talal Abu Rahma, a Palestinian cameraman freelancing for France 2, as they sought cover behind a concrete cylinder after being caught in crossfire between Israeli soldiers and Palestinian security forces. The footage, which lasts just over a minute, shows the pair holding onto each other, the boy crying and the father waving, then a burst of gunfire and dust, after which the boy is seen slumped across his father's legs.[1]

    Fifty-nine seconds of the footage were initially broadcast in France with a voiceover from Charles Enderlin, France 2's bureau chief in Israel, who did not witness the incident himself but got all information by phone from the cameraman, telling viewers that the al-Durrahs had been the "target of fire from the Israeli positions," and that the boy had died.[2] After an emotional public funeral, Muhammad was hailed throughout the Arab and Muslim worlds as a martyr.

    The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) accepted responsibility at first[3] and Israel initially apologized for the boy's death but issued a retraction when an investigation indicated the IDF probably did not shoot the al-Durrahs and the boy was most likely killed by Palestinian fire.[4][5] Three senior French journalists who saw the raw footage in 2004 said it was not clear from the footage alone that the boy had died, and that France 2 cut a final few seconds in which he appeared to lift his hand from his face. France 2's news editor said in 2005 that no one could say for sure who fired the shots, but other commentators, including the director of the Israeli government press office, went further, saying the scene had been staged by Palestinian protesters. Philippe Karsenty, a French media commentator, was sued for libel by France 2 for suggesting this; a ruling against him was overturned by the Paris Court of Appeal in May 2008 who agreed that some scenes did not seem genuine and that he had presented a "coherent mass of evidence". The court also found that the Palestinian cameraman for France 2 and the network's main witness was not "perfectly credible."[6][7] France 2 has appealed the decision.[8]

    The footage of the father and son acquired what one writer called the power of a battle flag. For many Palestinians, it confirmed their view of Israel's brutality toward them, while for sections of the Israeli and Jewish communities the allegations were a modern blood libel, the ancient antisemitic association of Jews with child sacrifice.[9] The scene was evoked in other deaths. It was blamed for the October 2000 lynching of two Israeli army reservists in Ramallah, and was seen in the background when Daniel Pearl, a Jewish-American journalist, was beheaded by al-Qaeda in 2002.[10] James Fallows writes that no version of the truth about the footage will ever emerge that all sides consider believable. Charles Enderlin has called it a cultural prism, its viewers seeing what they want to see.[11]


    that is from WIKI  READ WHOLE THING AT WIKI..

    Well that was 2000. now we are in 2012.. those pollywood games don't work ..... eyes are everywhere

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_B1H-1opys

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhNFT6AyU-k

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • In the US, mass child killings are tragedies. In Pakistan, mere bug splats
     Reply #6 - December 20, 2012, 10:20 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9KuowLx9r8

    that is another funny video to watch .. that is from BBC,,  it is from recent air strike by Israelis to target Hamas military chief Jabari

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0qcMuiBysM

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • In the US, mass child killings are tragedies. In Pakistan, mere bug splats
     Reply #7 - December 20, 2012, 11:40 AM

    nvm.


    Why do you always "say" that?
  • In the US, mass child killings are tragedies. In Pakistan, mere bug splats
     Reply #8 - December 20, 2012, 12:33 PM

    Either when I post something that I later find to be inappropriate or in this case when it's a duplicate post, this time I posted the video that Jila had already posted, so it's like 'this comment is no longer valid'.

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • In the US, mass child killings are tragedies. In Pakistan, mere bug splats
     Reply #9 - December 20, 2012, 03:41 PM

    ^Oh I see. That happens quite often!
  • In the US, mass child killings are tragedies. In Pakistan, mere bug splats
     Reply #10 - December 20, 2012, 03:44 PM

    My apologies.

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • In the US, mass child killings are tragedies. In Pakistan, mere bug splats
     Reply #11 - December 20, 2012, 04:01 PM

    My apologies.

    Huh!.. why you need to apologize for silly mistakes? Sprout don't do it..  "apologies should be reserved for blunders" not for miss-wording or mistakes...  

    saying it as "silly mistake is good enough"..

    So.. Richard Dawkins says..   "Mock them.. Ridicule them.." "Mock them.. Ridicule them.."  "Mock them.. Ridicule them.."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4wx2b3d4PY

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    question is :   Richard Dawkins actually encourages his followers and fans to mock and ridicule religious people. Is this the attitude of a rational mature scientist?


    Yap.. I think so.. It is fun to ridicule silly stuff.  Cheesy Cheesy

    Fools.. Mock them everywhere.. but make sure they don't stab you..

    what do you say Sprout???

    with best wishes
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • In the US, mass child killings are tragedies. In Pakistan, mere bug splats
     Reply #12 - December 20, 2012, 04:48 PM

    Quite stupid of some to belittle, ridicule and generally be insensitive to any tragedy due to it's relative insignificance compared to other tragedies. Dead children should not be compared that way. We're all relatively insignificant in the universe, yet we're human and should not be desensitized to others' suffering by making excuses that there's too much suffering in the world or by discussing politics (e.g. saying that the country where x was born has caused more suffering to others, so x should shut up if their children are dead). It's just wrong. If you have no compassion for someone's suffering for whatever "legitimate" reason then the most decent thing to do is to say nothing.

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • In the US, mass child killings are tragedies. In Pakistan, mere bug splats
     Reply #13 - December 21, 2012, 02:33 AM

    I hope my post wasn't offensive, I was just reflecting no why the deaths of children in some regions go unnoticed while others get much attention. No one denies that it's horrible and that they suffer a lot from drones and such, but the question is; What is causing the world to turn a blind eye?
    I'm not talking about politics or who causes a lot of suffering. Why do certain nations get attention, support and help while others are ignored.

    See that was one of the reasons I posted as to why for example Palestinian children have a blind eye turn. If you politicize someone's death then it ruins the tragedy. And you see whenever someone cites all the horrible things Israel and America does, then that side can turn around and say well what about 9/11, the London bombings, persecution of Christians, apostates, Jews who use to live in Islamic territories, etc etc. and it becomes this idiotic back and forth of who does the most killing. It's like a, if you don't feel sorry for my pain, then I won't feel sorry for yours. Is that really the humane attitude to have?

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • In the US, mass child killings are tragedies. In Pakistan, mere bug splats
     Reply #14 - December 21, 2012, 03:24 AM

    Interesting @ the part you  edited. I hope it was a joke.

    Anyway, I dunno. I mean, why do you think so many Americans support their troops so much when there is video evidence of them committing horrible crimes against defenceless people? What did Iraqis ever do to America? Even when people see those videos I've seen them say "clearly that kid threw himself in front of the bullet". Why is it unpatriotic to talk against the army. Why is it so easy for non-Americans to criticise but people in the US get all weary and touchy? Why is that Manning guy a hero in the rest of the world and not America?

    I personally believe it's their superiority idea, where they're taught indoctrinated that America is the greatest nation on Earth. I don't think the only disease is religion, but this idea that a border of a country defines the importance of a person. Islam says Muslims are more important. Always caring for Muslims. What is the difference if it came from nationalism?
    They can't think past their own nose. I asked a friend once if the Ron Paul video of "What if China Invaded America" had any impact. He said no, people probably don't even remember that video.  The ones who do are insignificance. I guess it's easy for me to say because I grew up in Australia, where nationalism is only a recent idea. My politics lecturer was saying that when he was younger, Australia day was a day at the beach. Now people are obsessed with wrapping themselves up with flags, an idea pushed by 11 years of right wing government being in power. I hope we don't end up like America, I like it here..

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    It's like a, if you don't feel sorry for my pain, then I won't feel sorry for yours. Is that really the humane attitude to have?

     Is this in reference to something in particular? I don't see much ethnic people not caring about American shootings. At the same time though, we read our own death articles and feel for that.
    I think what you said about people getting used to it is true. Why should people in these rich consumer cultures care? They have a party to go to, it's Saturday, drink up! This isn't a moral judgement btw, I think if it wasn't for the consumerism (anyone read the book Branded?) then we could think about others once in a while too.

    My American friends always tell me that I know more about their politics than they do. We usually talk about topics related to consumerism, and here I am, halfway across the world and I can quote things from their congress people. I think Australia hasn't reached that level of consumption yet (correct me? I just think). Then, in the mideast, I don't think they're anywhere close to it.
    Anyway so my conclusion is nationalistic indoctrination, no idea about world issues and consumerism (both linked actually), especially pushed by the right wing who like both these things, contribute to a lack of empathy. What do you think?

    Yeez, I didn't know about that. I didn't watch the vids, I just read the link. Interesting..

    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • In the US, mass child killings are tragedies. In Pakistan, mere bug splats
     Reply #15 - December 21, 2012, 03:37 AM

    I think your post is depressing in the extreme.  You really think of Americans, and other western populations in such a lazy, sloppy, over generalised way?

    Blech, blech.  Yuck,disgusting. 

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • In the US, mass child killings are tragedies. In Pakistan, mere bug splats
     Reply #16 - December 21, 2012, 04:54 AM

    My apologies.

    Absolutely no need to apologize  Smiley
  • In the US, mass child killings are tragedies. In Pakistan, mere bug splats
     Reply #17 - December 21, 2012, 05:22 AM

     People just accept that bad shit happens "over there" IMHO. I don't think there's a need to analyze this. With the drones it's "collateral damage" and all in the name of the greater good. 

    Australian nationalism isn't new at all btw and there's nothing offensive or right-wing about wrapping oneself in a flag though Australia Day celebrations can get quite crazy sometimes, as can other public holiday celebrations (booze + hooligans does that). I think Australia's overall attitude wrt to patriotism/nationalism is fine, perhaps I'm sheltered or it's b/c I live in a relatively "multicultural" area and haven't experienced any real racism. IMO people who balk at the right-wingness of putting up a flag are taking political correctness way too far. The way I see it we have a more laid-back culture and less respect for authority than Americans and there's just more room for right-wing jingoism in American culture (no offense). 
  • In the US, mass child killings are tragedies. In Pakistan, mere bug splats
     Reply #18 - December 21, 2012, 06:24 AM

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    Australian nationalism isn't new at all btw and there's nothing "offensive" or right-wing about wrapping oneself in a flag though Australia Day celebrations can get quite crazy sometimes, as can other public holiday celebrations (booze + hooligans does that). I think Australia's overall attitude wrt to patriotism/nationalism is fine, perhaps I'm sheltered or it's b/c I live in a relatively "multicultural" area and haven't experienced any real racism. IMO people who balk at the right-wingness of putting up a flag are taking political correctness way too far. The way I see it we have a more laid-back culture and less respect for authority than Americans and there's just more room for right-wing jingoism in American culture (no offense).


    Not to us because we grew up with it, and it is a recent phenomena, this flag obsession, mass txting about "patriotic events". The lecture was about exactly that, what is freedom of speech and we were shown riots over the Danish cartoons (fml I was so embarrassed having to sit there and watch that, then having a discussion about it in the tute).
     According to his observations while growing up, there was no flag obsession. Do the older generation even do that? Os are you reading this? Can you say something about it? My lecturer is in his 60's. The notion you talk about, political correctness:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-24/aussie-flag-bearers-more-racist3a-survey/3790172 Even though I personally believe this from my own experience (being yelled at a lot), when I see a commodore, I always expect something. Is this research taking political correctness too far? I don't think so because I guess I count as a statistic as someone who experiences this shit very often. That statement about political correctness gone too far, I dunno, something about it...seems strange? I guess it seems wrong when Michele Bachmann says it but not when people I agree with say it. Subjective in other words, so who decides? Is it political correctness gone mad when you can be jailed for holocaust denial? (I'd appreciate not being jumped at for this. This example because I saw it on an episode of the Jinn and Tonic show, and it's he most recent thing I can think of).

    Cheetah, well OK, but I don't think that what I was saying, or what I even believe. I wish I could reference everything that I remember, but I placed a book reference there, because I learned those things through school and uni and have my own opinions. Or should I end my line with "no offence" or "apologise" to make it better? There are so many mainstream TV shows, internet shows, late night shows etc. that mock certain things. In one of my classes, the start is always a Colbert clip that makes everyone laugh at what certain groups say/do.

    I dunno, I feel like you jumped to an invalid/false conclusion about me here. Whatever though *shrug*

    PS.
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    more laid-back culture and less respect for authority than Americans

     I love this and hope it stays like this!

    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • In the US, mass child killings are tragedies. In Pakistan, mere bug splats
     Reply #19 - December 21, 2012, 06:42 AM

    BTW this researcher that did the flag surveys was attacked for her work. Are things only legit when it's a non ethnic person saying them? A question, that's all :/ Maybe she'd be better off counting the "fuck off we're full stickers"? I see those on so many cars, it's not even funny. Not to mention a fellow teacher (I'm a teaching student) having that on her car and got reported to my uni and had to take it down and apologise, followed by a 3 hour warning/reminder on professionalism.

    Another thing, why, oh why, is Pauline Hanson invited back on TV, with her disgusting political past. She hasn't changed at all. There she is the other day proudly saying she wont sell her house to a Muslim. Moves to Britain, comes back claiming the Muslims have taken over Britain too (don't kid yourself, she just wont say "nigger" or "paki" on TV, Muslim is perfectly legit). Yet she's welcomed back on TV as if she's just a mainstream TV personality?
     Is this telling of what we can expect to be normal? Maybe if she said she wont sell her house to an Asian or Aboriginal (her previous targets), she would be ridiculed instead of given a platform.

    I personally liked it better when she was ridiculed.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4tZRZSGxcE

    lol.

    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • In the US, mass child killings are tragedies. In Pakistan, mere bug splats
     Reply #20 - December 21, 2012, 06:52 AM

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    Cheetah, well OK, but I don't think that what I was saying, or what I even believe. I wish I could reference everything that I remember, but I placed a book reference there, because I learned those things through school and uni and have my own opinions. Or should I end my line with "no offence" or "apologise" to make it better? There are so many mainstream TV shows, internet shows, late night shows etc. that mock certain things. In one of my classes, the start is always a Colbert clip that makes everyone laugh at what certain groups say/do.

    I dunno, I feel like you jumped to an invalid/false conclusion about me here. Whatever though *shrug*


    What are you even talking about? Huh?

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  • In the US, mass child killings are tragedies. In Pakistan, mere bug splats
     Reply #21 - December 21, 2012, 07:02 AM

    Your reply to <_< my post <_<  Huh?

    Oops? lipsrsealed It wasn't for me then?

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  • In the US, mass child killings are tragedies. In Pakistan, mere bug splats
     Reply #22 - December 21, 2012, 07:08 AM

    Interesting @ the part you  edited. I hope it was a joke.

    Anyway, I dunno. I mean, why do you think so many Americans support their troops so much when there is video evidence of them committing horrible crimes against defenceless people? What did Iraqis ever do to America? Even when people see those videos I've seen them say "clearly that kid threw himself in front of the bullet". Why is it unpatriotic to talk against the army. Why is it so easy for non-Americans to criticism but people in the US get all weary and touchy? Why is that Manning guy a hero in the rest of the world and not America?

     There is a lot at play here. First, a lot of Americans are indoctrinated with this idea that America is a "city on a hill" that everyone looks up to and can do no wrong. This leads to things like ignoring Vietnam or Korea or any other quagmires that the US got into.  Also there is rampant militarism in the US where the US defense budget, in spite of being several times larger than any other countries is pretty much untouchable.  Likewise anyone who 'betrays' the military like Manning is a 'traitor' regardless of the actual harm and/or benefit they do.  In Manning's case it's plainly obvious that the US military over classifies what should be routine things and/or things that the military should be scrutinized for in order to avoid the light of day. Many support Manning merely because he's 'anti military' but that means nothing without an actual reason to be 'anti military'.  As far as drones are concerned, it depends on the area. In Pakistan I believe that drones are the least punishing alternative to any of the options of a US land assault, a Pakistani land assault, or a Taliban take over. The reports that claim that drones are harming civilians have their methodology flawed in that they never actually go to the NW tribal regions, but rely on political anti drone NGOs to bring them 'drone victims'.  That isn't to say there is collateral damage, but the idea that the NW tribal regions are living in fear of the drones ( as opposed to the militants) is unsubstantiated.  

    Meanwhile in Yemen I think drones are the wrong approach. By killing bystanders the US sets off the tribal vendetta system that inflates AQAP's numbers. The US should be working with tribes to isolate Al Qaida's members and to bring  a political unity together. Something that would be impossible to do in Pakistan.  

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • In the US, mass child killings are tragedies. In Pakistan, mere bug splats
     Reply #23 - December 21, 2012, 07:26 AM

    ...So flag flyers are more likely to have racist views according to one dubious study  Roll Eyes As per conventional wisdom, and a few studies into suicide bombing, Muslims are more likely to blow themselves up  Roll Eyes Doesn't really say much if you ask me. We have a lot of pensioners living near us and a few houses with flags up; from the neighbours I know relatively well, they're not racist at all and perfectly decent people (and they're 50+ btw) even the flag flyers.
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    I personally liked it better when she was ridiculed.

    Because people take her seriously now Huh? Who the hell takes her seriously? I've only ever seen her being taken seriously in docos from the 90s. She's finished politically and her party is a laughing stock with exactly 0 members in parliament. To the Brits unfamiliar with Pauline Hanson, she's like Australia's Nick Griffin (without the anti-antisemitism) and used to head One Nation, our equivalent to the BNP. She famously declared that we are being "swamped by Asians" and some other nonsense about immigration, and peaked in the mid 90s.
    Other then a drunk Aboriginal hobo, who shouted that I had a bomb, and a classmate jokingly asking if it "gets hot under there", I can't say I've had any other "racist" experiences. Methinks you live in Boganville.



  • In the US, mass child killings are tragedies. In Pakistan, mere bug splats
     Reply #24 - December 21, 2012, 01:07 PM

    Pallywood ? Lmao  They rock  dance dance



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  • In the US, mass child killings are tragedies. In Pakistan, mere bug splats
     Reply #25 - December 21, 2012, 03:05 PM

    Oh interesting, I haven't hear much about Australia's politics and such. Well I think this growing nationalism could be attritbuted to immigration and countries trying to solidify their identity. Just like how there is a growth in Islam, and more Muslims being more religious in the face of criticism to band together in an us vs. us mentality. Gather the troops in a cultural face off battle. LOl but on another matter Americans don't even know about their own politics, the media has got everyone brainwashed =p sadly. I only know better because I took a political class in college and I look into other sources.

    I'm a America, and I love my country but we have a lot of work to do. And I think you're right that has to do with everyone thinking we're the top of the hill. But I sadly I have to say, while other countries are trying to industrialize and beat America in the science and living standards and be competitive in the global market. The Middle East seems to be doing everything possible to run away from that out of pride. Instead trying to insist on the path of religious piety and shun out any ideologies that are from outsiders. Americans are well aware of uprising nations like China and India. See they are smart because at least they are trying to beat us at our own game and have us on our toes.

    My point everyone thinks America is on the top of the hill, but the dumb ones are the ones sitting at the bottom complaining while everyone else at least tries to figure out how America got up there in first place. Remember America is a young nation compare to many others and we had many internal wars and fights and came up from nothing. Britain was running the show. What's everyone else's excuse? At the end of the day though whoever is 'on top' doesn't shouldn't really matter, we want to take the best of ideologies and living so everyone can make their country very comfortable for its citizens. So one day the whole world can  live comfortably and we can lessen illiteracy, poverty and most importantly senseless violence and fear.

    As for my topic. I wish something could be done to highlight the pains of those suffering in the Middle East. Actually come to think about. America use to report a lot on the brutality in Saudi Arabia at one point. We also WERE following Syria and LIBYA, but based on the comments on CNN for example, no one gave a shit. Everyone has been soured by the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan with the politicians telling us we're going to come out there 'heroes' and everyone hates us even more. So everyone has this, to hell with the Middle East attitude. It's really sad.

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  • In the US, mass child killings are tragedies. In Pakistan, mere bug splats
     Reply #26 - December 21, 2012, 05:07 PM

    I hope my post wasn't offensive,


    Dear Sakura, my post was not directed specifically at you, I know that your intentions were good, but a few things said on this and other threads in relation to the recent tragedy irritated me as being insensitive and that also included the name you chose for the thread. I know you took the name from an article by someone else, but thanks to you now many people who come here read it, it gets into their minds and I think has mostly negative effects. The effect that repeating something can have is the same as saying it for the first time by the author and we must be responsible. Other than that I have no issues with you, dear Sakura. Best, ALM

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