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OP - May 09, 2012, 02:19 AM

This is disgusting.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/08/politics/north-carolina-marriage/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

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Reply #1 - May 09, 2012, 03:54 AM

I think Christianity repulses me more than Islam. While Islam is almost universally despised for the imagined threat of creeping Sharia, Christian law is enshrined in the Western World right in front of our eyes. Blatantly and unashamed.

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Reply #2 - May 09, 2012, 04:06 AM

^^
well, it's the opposite in my cases
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Reply #3 - May 09, 2012, 05:32 AM

I'm not exactly sure of the exact legal details, but hopefully these same sex amendments to state constitutions will be overturned by Supreme court decision as a violation of 14th amendment equal protection rights, although with the court's current make-up you can never be too sure.

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Reply #4 - May 09, 2012, 05:35 AM

The ban on gay marriage in California was overturned by a federal court.
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Reply #5 - May 09, 2012, 06:12 AM

Presumably though that was in the 9th circuit court, which is "notoriously" liberal on social issues. Other federal courts may not follow its precedent.

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Reply #6 - May 09, 2012, 06:15 AM

Seriously, the anti-gay (marriage) movement seems to be gaining ground rather than losing it in the USA, I find this bizarre.

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Reply #7 - May 09, 2012, 06:17 AM

Gay marriage is already illegal there anyway, so I don't suppose there will be a rush to overturn the amendment.

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Reply #8 - May 09, 2012, 02:11 PM

Quote from: Ishina on May 09, 2012, 03:54 AM
I think Christianity repulses me more than Islam. While Islam is almost universally despised for the imagined threat of creeping Sharia, Christian law is enshrined in the Western World right in front of our eyes. Blatantly and unashamed.

Don't know if this has been mentioned in the forum. But that is exactly what the American lawyer and secular acitivist Sean Faircloth is addressing in his book: http://richarddawkins.net/audio/645178-audiobook-of-attack-of-the-theocrats-with-richard-dawkins-reading-his-foreword-now-available

For those who are interested in it.

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Reply #9 - May 09, 2012, 02:14 PM

But at least you got some sensible priests:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ywImcNViPtc

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Reply #10 - May 09, 2012, 02:28 PM

Quote from: Al-Ma`arri on May 09, 2012, 02:11 PM
Don't know if this has been mentioned in the forum. But that is exactly what the American lawyer and secular acitivist Sean Faircloth is addressing in his book: http://richarddawkins.net/audio/645178-audiobook-of-attack-of-the-theocrats-with-richard-dawkins-reading-his-foreword-now-available

For those who are interested in it.

I might give it a try. Will it piss me off though?

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Reply #11 - May 10, 2012, 02:04 PM

At least Christians got over the old testament law of stoning homosexuals years ago. I personally think it's getting better, because I frequently see and have attended modern churches who allow gays to come and worship. In fact most of my gay friends surprisingly go to church. Just like how interracial marriage was banned years ago this is going to phase out as future generations realize there is nothing wrong with it. And even with inter-racial marriages the last state to life that ban was in the 1970s and that was well after all of the other states lifted it. So these things take time and years to accept.

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Reply #12 - May 10, 2012, 02:22 PM

Quote from: Sprout on May 09, 2012, 06:15 AM
Seriously, the anti-gay (marriage) movement seems to be gaining ground rather than losing it in the USA, I find this bizarre.

It's actually losing a lot of ground very quickly. Polls show a pretty huge shifts in young and middle age people towards acceptance of gay marriage. The issue is that those shifts aren't happening uniformly across the USA. The ones that have shifted the least are older evangelical Christians which make up a majority in certain states, mostly Southern. Even then they'll be a minority on this issue within 20 years. If the trend continues I'd put even money on at least half the states passing SSM within 20 years, followed by a Constitutional challenge that will pass the 14th amendment of equal protection. These state amendments are rearguard movements trying to stop a trend.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #13 - May 10, 2012, 02:39 PM

+1

My parents are homophobic but I am not. :p because I actually have gay friends and I realized they aren't weird disgusting people I was taught to believe.

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Reply #14 - May 10, 2012, 03:36 PM

Quote from: deusvult on May 10, 2012, 02:22 PM
It's actually losing a lot of ground very quickly. Polls show a pretty huge shifts in young and middle age people towards acceptance of gay marriage. The issue is that those shifts aren't happening uniformly across the USA. The ones that have shifted the least are older evangelical Christians which make up a majority in certain states, mostly Southern. Even then they'll be a minority on this issue within 20 years. If the trend continues I'd put even money on at least half the states passing SSM within 20 years, followed by a Constitutional challenge that will pass the 14th amendment of equal protection. These state amendments are rearguard movements trying to stop a trend.

Long-term trends show a gradual rise in support of gay marriage, whch is the good news.

From Gallup:

Bad news is a small rise in opposition these last two years. But it remains to be seen if this is a sign of long-term opinion. I think we can be pretty optimistic about it being just a short-term blip. They have happened in the past.

America is divided almost exactly in half and it'll need to be more like two-thirds in favour before real progress is actually felt. So if it continues to be 1-2% a year, that's within 10-20 years.

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Reply #15 - May 10, 2012, 03:42 PM

Find the graph that breaks it down by age, and the trend will be more pronounced

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Reply #16 - May 10, 2012, 03:44 PM

Quote from: Ishina on May 10, 2012, 03:36 PM
So if it continues to be 1-2% a year, that's within 10-20 years.

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Reply #17 - May 10, 2012, 03:57 PM

I think we are in a pretty good position here in UK at least. It looks like gay marriage will be completely legal here within the next few years. Though some Tory blowhards are threatening a 'rebellion' if it happens.

As much as I despise Cameron, he's been pretty clear on LGBT issues.

"We're consulting on legalising gay marriage. To anyone who has reservations, I say: Yes, it's about equality, but it's also about something else: commitment."

"Conservatives believe in the ties that bind us; that society is stronger when we make vows to each other and support each other. So I don't support gay marriage despite being a Conservative. I support gay marriage because I'm a Conservative."

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Reply #18 - May 10, 2012, 04:07 PM

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Reply #19 - May 10, 2012, 04:19 PM

i dont understand how they can vote on a bill, and then a while later
vote it out. That is what gets my goat.

but as shitty as it is, i have to agree, its better than getting stoned
to death, or publically hung just for being homosexual.

But then you have all these couple who legally got married, and
now they are unmarried? how the fuck does that work?

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Reply #20 - May 11, 2012, 02:43 PM

Even if you aren't a fan or follower of the Amazing Atheist I would recommend you watch this short video, I think he puts a simple, yet strong point forward about the issue

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Reply #21 - May 11, 2012, 10:00 PM

yeah.. this shit comes out a few months away from a presidential election.
Like obama promised them their rights at the beginning. And now brings
it up as a power point and his "coming out" right before an election?

Both candidates are bozos of the worst kind. This country is sooooo
screwed!

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Reply #22 - May 12, 2012, 11:02 AM

It's odd that you see this as a point against him. I suppose it's just different across the pond. Here, if a political candidate isn't wining and dining me in the run up to an election, then they are not doing their job and don't get my vote. I absolutely insist on hearing constructive or encouraging details of their intentions. I demand they inspire and convince me to vote. I expect a positive case.

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