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OP - May 02, 2012, 06:38 AM

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"I have a panic room in my house," Wilders writes, "where I am supposed to take refuge if one of the adherents of the 'religion of peace' makes it past my permanent security detail and into my home. In fact, it's not really my home at all—I live in a government safe house, heavily protected and bulletproof….I have been surrounded by police guards and stripped of nearly all personal privacy…. I am driven every day from the safe house to my office in the Dutch Parliament building in armored police cars….I wear a bulletproof jacket….Always surrounded by plainclothes police officers, I have not walked the streets on my own in more than seven years…. [I am] imprisoned in my own country for the mere fact that I have spoken out against enemies of the West."

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Reply #1 - May 02, 2012, 10:21 PM

I am actually going to read this book. I am not fan of his political views, but its a tragedy that he is being persecuted for speech and writings.

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Reply #2 - May 03, 2012, 12:59 AM

Fuck him! He's a douche bag fanning the flames of hate and bigotry. I am not be a fan of Islam , or any belief for that matter, but I will give my life for my family and friends to practice it in peace.

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Reply #3 - May 03, 2012, 01:34 AM

Quote from: 247read on May 03, 2012, 12:59 AM
He's a douche bag fanning the flames of hate and bigotry. I am not be a fan of Islam , or any belief for that matter, but I will give my life for my family and friends to practice it in peace.

I doubt the douche bag would argue with that.
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Reply #4 - May 03, 2012, 08:36 AM

He would actually argue that Islam isn't a religion!

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Reply #5 - May 03, 2012, 08:54 AM

I don't agree with his views, but it's sad for him that he has to live like that. He must have a point if he can't even walk down the street without the very serious risk of being murdered. Fortunate for him he has the financial backing to be able to live with security like that though, many others who express their views actually do get murdered for it 'cause they don't exactly have body-guards or bullet proof vests or police looking out for their well-being all the time.
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Reply #6 - May 03, 2012, 08:58 AM

Brothers and sisters, clearly this shows how Allah protects Islam from those who blaspheme it, subhnallah.

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Reply #7 - May 03, 2012, 09:01 AM

Not sure I can think of anything less sad... Hope he gets bludgeoned with an axe.
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Reply #8 - May 03, 2012, 09:07 AM

Quote from: David on May 03, 2012, 01:34 AM
I doubt the douche bag would argue with that.

He wants the Quran to be banned, the burqa to be banned and he's happy creating an environment where Musiim citizens of Holland are treated like 3rd class citizens subject to suspiciou, discrimination and draconian punishments (instadeportation for crimes). I doubt he wants any free speech/freedom of belief other than for those of his own.

Anyway, I don't like the fact that he has to go around with security, I wish he had no attention or publicity and no one cared about him-it sucks that you can be killed for your views in most parts of the world, but we have to remember that this doesn't just apply to far-right blowhard politicians.

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Reply #9 - May 03, 2012, 09:09 AM

Quote from: 247read on May 03, 2012, 12:59 AM
Fuck him! He's a douche bag fanning the flames of hate and bigotry. I am not be a fan of Islam , or any belief for that matter, but I will give my life for my family and friends to practice it in peace.

there is some hypocrisy in such statements.

If I take statements from the posts of Ex-Muslims of CEMB and if that guy says same statements, Some Muslims will also accuse him fanning the flames of hate and bigotry. He is doing exactly as Islamic scriptures says and some Muslims did or doing across the lands of Algeria to Azerbaijan where Population is more than 90% Muslims. What he is saying is NOT "KILL ALL MUSLIMS IN WEST but export them where they come from if they use Islamic propaganda and political agenda to spread Islam.

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Reply #10 - May 03, 2012, 09:11 AM

Yes, we should hold the 'enlightened', 'civilised', developed countries of the west (like holland) to the same low standards one expects of failed third world dictatorships (like the Muslim countries). Seriously?

Anyway, you just proved what I said yeezevee, he only cares about his own freedom of speech/freedom of thought.

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Reply #11 - May 03, 2012, 09:12 AM

Quote from: Sprout on May 03, 2012, 09:07 AM

He wants the Quran to be banned, the burqa to be banned and he's happy creating an environment where Musiim citizens of Holland are treated like 3rd class citizens subject to suspiciou, discrimination and draconian punishments (instadeportation for crimes). I doubt he wants any free speech/freedom of belief other than for those of his own.

Anyway, I don't like the fact that he has to go around with security, I wish he had no attention or publicity and no one cared about him-it sucks that you can be killed for your views in most parts of the world, but we have to remember that this doesn't just apply to far-right blowhard politicians.

With such people dialogue and discussion is important than writing more hate words against them., See those highlighted words of yours?? that is what need to be taught to Muslim.. If some one insults your religion and your prophet smile at them..

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Reply #12 - May 03, 2012, 09:15 AM

Quote from: Sprout on May 03, 2012, 09:11 AM
Yes, we should hold the 'enlightened', 'civilised', developed countries of the west (like holland) to the same low standards one expects of failed third world dictatorships (like the Muslim countries). Seriously?

Anyway, you just proved what I said yeezevee, he only cares about his own freedom of speech/freedom of thought.

But these alalalalalla Muslim baboons who live in Holland are NOT living in failed third world dictatorships., why do the need act like that??

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Reply #13 - May 03, 2012, 09:21 AM

No doubt, many elements of the 'Muslim communities' in some western countries need to be reformed, especially their self appointed representatives, having said that, whenever a politician like Wilders is attacked, assaulted or killed, it is a single actor, not the whole Muslim population of Europe who is responsible, the issue is the level of sympathy that actor will get, but this is true of most communities. Whenever a wannabe vigilante kills an alleged criminal, the native communities of the country will usually sympathise with the murderer-so it's not a problem exclusive to Muslims.

Anyway, even if Muslim communities need to learn this lesson collectively, it doesn't change the fact that Wilders is a despicable race-baiter, the world would be a better place if he stayed in the Kibbutz or as a notary or whatever he did in his previous life.

Quote from: yeezevee on May 03, 2012, 09:15 AM
But these alalalalalla Muslim baboons who live in Holland are NOT living in failed third world dictatorships., why do the need act like that??

What percentage of the Muslim community in Holland are you referring to? Anyway, they are marginalised communities living in deprived areas with little or no fuck given by the rest of society-I'm not saying that the individuals who commit crimes from these areas aren't responsible for their own actions, but why is it that whenever the native youth from poor lower classes in the country commit a crime they are given a wide berth because of their disadvantaged background, yet when it's a Muslim (or another minority for that matter), they are treated as fifth columnists who should be deported?

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Reply #14 - May 03, 2012, 09:22 AM

He can say what he likes about Islamic scripture - it should be criticised, like all other faiths - but to juxtaposition his argument to paint a negative light on the overwhelming majority of peaceful and law abiding Muslim citizens of Holland and/or other European countries - who've abandoned medieval interpretation of their faith - is beyond intellectual and social contempt. He'd probably accuse members of this forum of undertaking 'Taqqiyah' when deciding who he'd like to deport.

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Reply #15 - May 03, 2012, 09:23 AM

Exactly 247read, the whole debachle with Robert Spencer has taught us, and these people really aren't 'allies'.

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Reply #16 - May 03, 2012, 09:28 AM

Quote from: Sprout on May 03, 2012, 09:23 AM
Exactly 247read, the whole debachle with Robert Spencer has taught us, and these people really aren't 'allies'.

Off course they are NOT., but that doesn't mean one should not dialogue/argue with them..., You accuse them with something then they will accuse you with something else..

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Reply #17 - May 03, 2012, 09:38 AM

Quote from: Sprout on May 03, 2012, 09:21 AM
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What percentage of the Muslim community in Holland are you referring to? Anyway, they are marginalised communities living in deprived areas with little or no fuck given by the rest of society-I'm not saying that the individuals who commit crimes from these areas aren't responsible for their own actions, but why is it that whenever the native youth from poor lower classes in the country commit a crime they are given a wide berth because of their disadvantaged background, yet when it's a Muslim (or another minority for that matter), they are treated as fifth columnists who should be deported?

These problems bound to happen, and some of these gets more attention because of Islamic heros in west are not allowing Muslim population to integrates in to local community..

Does this happen to Chinese who migrated to these countries??

Does this happen to Christians of third world countries who migrated to these countries?

Does this happen to hindus of India who migrated to these countries?

There is reason why this happens to Muslims..

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Reply #18 - May 03, 2012, 09:47 AM

Christians from third world countries? Did you not see the riots in the UK last year? If it was committed by Muslims then you lot would have argued they had merely taken 'war booty' as commanded by their faith.

Migrants from Hindu and Chinese backgrounds usually are educated and/or in high skilled employment - hence their off spring are more likely to follow suit. To suggest that violence and criminality doesn't exist in China and India is ludicrous.

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Reply #19 - May 03, 2012, 09:50 AM

There is a reason why Muslims do this, the same reason why Blacks and Hispanics are disproportionately incarcerated in the US - poverty and low educational attainment.

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Reply #20 - May 03, 2012, 09:57 AM

Quote from: 247read on May 03, 2012, 09:47 AM
Christians from third world countries? Did you not see the riots in the UK last year? If it was committed by Muslims then you lot would have argued they had merely taken 'war booty' as commanded by their faith.

Riots happen all the time., Well yes They will accuse., but what is the solution??

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Migrants from Hindu and Chinese backgrounds usually are educated and/or in high skilled employment - hence their off spring are more likely to follow suit. To suggest that violence and criminality doesn't exist in China and India is ludicrous.

who said that??

we need some statistics on that Hindu and Chinese background on education /or in high skilled employment in west..

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Reply #21 - May 03, 2012, 10:00 AM

Quote from: 247read on May 03, 2012, 09:50 AM
There is a reason why Muslims do this, the same reason why Blacks and Hispanics are disproportionately incarcerated in the US - poverty and low educational attainment.

Then why Geert Wilders politicians don't come out of speaking against Blacks and Hispanics and start apolitical party?? why are they singling Muslims and Islam??

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Reply #22 - May 03, 2012, 10:10 AM

Because race politics isn't fashionable anymore like it was for these fascists decades ago, rather it's a sure way to ruin your career. While it's open season for Muslims, which ironically is making them more religious; siege mentality.

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Reply #23 - May 03, 2012, 10:45 AM

Quote from: 247read on May 03, 2012, 10:10 AM
Because race politics isn't fashionable anymore like it was for these fascists decades ago, rather it's a sure way to ruin your career. While it's open season for Muslims, which ironically is making them more religious; siege mentality.

Good point.,

How did race politics has become unfashionable anymore ??

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Reply #24 - May 03, 2012, 11:11 AM

The problem is more than just Geert Wilders. In many ways, he's a distraction. He obscures the issues rather than confronting them clearly. At the same time, the death threats he is subjected to obscures the fact that there is a climate of fear and intimidation surrounding Islam and the criticism of it that is wider and deeper than being caused by the objectionable policies of a particular politician.

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Reply #25 - May 03, 2012, 12:23 PM

Quote from: billy on May 03, 2012, 11:11 AM
The problem is more than just Geert Wilders. In many ways, he's a distraction. He obscures the issues rather than confronting them clearly. At the same time, the death threats he is subjected to obscures the fact that there is a climate of fear and intimidation surrounding Islam and the criticism of it that is wider and deeper than being caused by the objectionable policies of a particular politician.

Otherwise known as the circle of shit.

They need one another - Wilders is the bird picking fleas off the Islamic hippo's arse.
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Reply #26 - May 03, 2012, 12:30 PM

Quote from: billy on May 03, 2012, 11:11 AM
The problem is more than just Geert Wilders. In many ways, he's a distraction. He obscures the issues rather than confronting them clearly. At the same time, the death threats he is subjected to obscures the fact that there is a climate of fear and intimidation surrounding Islam and the criticism of it that is wider and deeper than being caused by the objectionable policies of a particular politician.

But billy 247read has a point there in his post
Quote from: 247read on May 03, 2012, 10:10 AM
Because race politics isn't fashionable anymore like it was for these fascists decades ago, rather it's a sure way to ruin your career. While it's open season for Muslims, which ironically is making them more religious; siege mentality.

The goal many fellows who are for the betterment of humanity should be to make RELIGIOUS POLITICS UNFASHIONABLE AND OUT DATED the same way race politics isn't fashionable anymore like it was for these fascists decades ago, rather it's a sure way to ruin your career ... as pointed out by 247 read

Question is how to do that?

Any way let me add some tubes and writings of Mr. Geert Wilders and pin point the problems he is creating in Politics of western countries..

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziQyFbEJUXU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcw70aZbrF0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAdyYBsCbjM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AneacZk1KvU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWa-6lM9t8E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aleqQ6g9j64

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enBb4sHUYqE

Those three tubes are worth watching.. Ha! why that color of the tie is different? though it says.. part-1 2 and 3??

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Reply #27 - May 03, 2012, 12:47 PM

Quote from: David on May 03, 2012, 12:23 PM
Otherwise known as the circle of shit.

They need one another - Wilders is the bird picking fleas off the Islamic hippo's arse.

Wilders is a demagogue.

Its perfectly possible for politicians to address issues to do with Islamism & Islamic identity politics on the basis of secularism, anti-communalism, anti-misogyny etc. However, easy grandstanding over Islam inhibits that to a degree.

Politicians are always subject to the vagaries of populism and ambition, and should never be granted a blank cheque of approval.

At the same time, if Geert Wilders was to dissapear from public life tommorrow, the problems and issues would still remain.

Its important to separate these threads.

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Reply #28 - May 03, 2012, 02:26 PM

West's liberals fail to help, says Hirsi Ali

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WESTERN liberals, crippled by political correctness, guilt and a romanticised view of Islam, are leaving atheists and Christians bereft in the ''Arab winter'', human rights activist Ayaan Hirsi Ali says. Ms Hirsi Ali, no stranger to controversy, told an audience of several thousand at the Global Atheist Convention in Melbourne, that it was Christians and conservatives who led the way in defending free speech and rights. ''Why is it that secular liberals in the West fail to help? Are they so insecure about the morals they live by and by which they raise their children?''

She said elections following the overthrow of dictators had produced Islamist governments in Tunisia, Egypt and Morocco, with Islamists also gaining power in Libya and Yemen. ''The plight of Christians is going to be dire. They are killed, their churches destroyed, the women are raped. This is also the plight of Muslim minority sects.''

She blamed political correctness, white guilt over former colonialism that was actually racist because it did not hold non-whites to the same standards, and a view of Islam as romantically primitive (the noble savage).

Ms Hirsi Ali, who has for a decade been accompanied everywhere by bodyguards, provocatively suggested it was too much to expect a billion Muslims to become atheists, so they should convert to the much more benign Christianity ''as a halfway house on the path to enlightenment''.

Outside the Melbourne Convention Centre, two dozen Muslims from Dandenong Mosque chanted ''burn in hell'' and waved inflammatory placards.

''We just want to have a conversation, and tell them it is illogical to say there is no God,'' said one of the protesters, Shafeeq. Security guards locked the doors, but many atheists used a nearby alternative to engage the Muslims in furious debate.

Sam Harris, one of the ''four horsemen of the anti-apocalypse'', said his foundation had helped fund Ms Hirsi Ali's protection when the Dutch government stopped paying. ''I went out to the moderate Muslim community to get help, and the push back was vile. The real problem is that religious moderates provide a space in which religious extremism is flourishing,'' he said.

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Reply #29 - May 04, 2012, 09:57 PM

Quote from: yeezevee on May 03, 2012, 09:09 AM
there is some hypocrisy in such statements.

If I take statements from the posts of Ex-Muslims of CEMB and if that guy says same statements, Some Muslims will also accuse him fanning the flames of hate and bigotry. He is doing exactly as Islamic scriptures says and some Muslims did or doing across the lands of Algeria to Azerbaijan where Population is more than 90% Muslims. What he is saying is NOT "KILL ALL MUSLIMS IN WEST but export them where they come from if they use Islamic propaganda and political agenda to spread Islam.

Spot on Jezeve.

Just compare many posts here about islam, Mohammad and Quran and they might turn out to be even more flaming than Wilder's speeches.

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