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 Topic: Fallout of West’s military intervention in Libya: Mali plunges into chaos

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  • Fallout of West’s military intervention in Libya: Mali plunges into chaos
     OP - April 05, 2012, 04:19 PM

    When Western forces helped topple Libya's Moamer Gathafi they forced hundreds of well-armed Tuareg fighters to flee home to Mali, tipping another fragile African state into chaos, experts say.

    And for some observers, the Western powers' role in helping trigger the crisis now gives them a responsibility to help try to end it.

    "It must be said and said again that the factor that unleashed all of this is the Western intervention in Libya," said Eric Denece, director of the French Centre for Intelligence Research (CF2R), a think tank.

    When Gathafi's regime fell to a popular uprising backed by NATO warplanes, his Tuareg hired guns fled south across the Sahara to their former homes in Mali and Niger in heavily-armed convoys of off-road pick-up trucks.

    "At first, these veterans of the Libyan militia had nothing against Mali, but nature abhors a vacuum, and they needed to find something to do. So they allied with local groups, and now look where we are," he said.

    In the past two weeks since a military coup in Mali caused a collapse in government authority, Tuareg rebels have seized the entire north and east of the country, including major towns like Gao and Timbuktu.

    Most worryingly for foreign observers, Islamist fighters from the local Ansar Dine group and from Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), the North African wing of the global extremist network, have been fighting alongside the Tuaregs.

    Denece argues that the West, and France in particular, should have been aware of the result of their actions in Libya and acted before now.

    "The Malian foreign minister, Soumeylou Boubeye Maiga, came almost every month to Paris for talks at the foreign ministry, the Elysee and the DGSE foreign intelligence service," he said.

    "He told them: 'Now that you have intervened and created chaos, what are you doing to help us, the countries in the region? Your intervention spread weapons and fighters across the Sahel. You know we can't fight those people'."

    It is difficult to estimate how many fighters in total crossed the desert after the Libyan revolution, but they brought their weapons and training with them and were more than enough to tip the military balance in West Africa.

    In Algiers, author and expert Mohamed Mokeddem, put at at least 1,000 the number of Tuareg mercenaries that flooded back into Mali, adding: "What is certain is that the Libyan crisis served AQIM and the Tuareg cause.

    "We are seeing the final phase in the creation of a lawless, uncontrollable zone in the Sahel," he said by telephone. "The Malian army can't do anything in this area. They have lost control.

    "A good proportion of the Tuareg population, which has been abandoned and marginalised for years, has rallied to the banner of AQIM and local Islamists. They feel like they're taking their revenge," he said.

    "The former Gathafi militiamen are now a force that no-one in the region has the means to oppose. They have reintegrated into the social fabric of North Mali. They have ad hoc alliances with AQIM, Arab tribes and local Islamists."

    The Algerian military is the only force in the region with the troops and firepower needed to face down the threat, but it is prevented from operating outside its own national territory by Algeria's constitution, he said.

    Denece foresees a nightmare scenario in which the bands roaming the Sahel build ties with fellow Islamist militants in neighbouring areas, such as Boko Haram in Nigeria, and even with the Shebab in far-off Somalia.

    Before then, he fears, the West will be obliged to act. "Because of what they did in Libya, they have a real responsibility," he argued.

    "If the French, Americans and perhaps the Algerians work together, in three months we could get back to the situation we had before Libya. We'll never liquidate all the gangs, but we could help Mali to take its towns back."

    http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=51590
  • Re: Fallout of West?s military intervention in Libya: Mali plunges into chaos
     Reply #1 - April 05, 2012, 04:21 PM

    So we have Islamists in Libya destroying shrines and graves they deem to be unislamic and now we have Islamists ruling half of Mali. I guess this is why most African leaders were against foreign intervention in Libya, but what do they know?! Sarkozy, Cameron and Obama know better! Oh and OS too!  grin12
  • Re: Fallout of West?s military intervention in Libya: Mali plunges into chaos
     Reply #2 - April 05, 2012, 04:25 PM

    Ongoing disasters require quick decisions, not to say the decision was correct but every decision has consequences, who's to know how many more people would be dead now if intervention hadn't taken place.

    No decision is perfect.and hindsight is 20/20.

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: Fallout of West’s military intervention in Libya: Mali plunges into chaos
     Reply #3 - April 05, 2012, 04:27 PM

    Quote
    The Algerian military is the only force in the region with the troops and firepower needed to face down the threat, but it is prevented from operating outside its own national territory by Algeria's constitution, he said.

    Hmm.. where is our brotherhood in Algeria?? what is it doing??

    30-million Euros is good enough to start the party

    The Movement for Oneness and Jihad...The Movement for Oneness and Jihad... Yes..yes

    We got to start  AQIM Algeria.  AQIM Libya.. Damn... AQIM every country..  

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Fallout of West?s military intervention in Libya: Mali plunges into chaos
     Reply #4 - April 05, 2012, 04:51 PM

    Quote
    When Western forces helped topple Libya's Moamer Gathafi they forced hundreds of well-armed Tuareg fighters to flee home to Mali, tipping another fragile African state into chaos, experts say.


    .... where they should have been in the first place.  good grief!    Roll Eyes

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Fallout of West’s military intervention in Libya: Mali plunges into chaos
     Reply #5 - April 05, 2012, 05:16 PM

    The Tuareg are cool. They make the men cover their faces but not the women. Tongue

    .... where they should have been in the first place.  good grief!    Roll Eyes


    They're nomadic, JNT-- national borders not that big a deal to them in the first place.

    fuck you
  • Re: Fallout of West?s military intervention in Libya: Mali plunges into chaos
     Reply #6 - April 05, 2012, 05:47 PM

    But Q!  Its our fault, you see.  Right?  all our fault.
    Its always our fault.   Tongue

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Fallout of West’s military intervention in Libya: Mali plunges into chaos
     Reply #7 - April 05, 2012, 05:52 PM

    Well it is NATO's fault that such a large number of armed fighters crossed over from Libya.

    fuck you
  • Re: Fallout of West?s military intervention in Libya: Mali plunges into chaos
     Reply #8 - April 05, 2012, 05:53 PM

    So are the libyans sad to see them go?

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Fallout of West’s military intervention in Libya: Mali plunges into chaos
     Reply #9 - April 05, 2012, 05:57 PM

    Depends on what Libyan you're talking to I suppose.

    fuck you
  • Re: Fallout of West?s military intervention in Libya: Mali plunges into chaos
     Reply #10 - April 05, 2012, 06:19 PM

    Hmm.. where is our brotherhood in Algeria?? what is it doing??


    Like it says they can't operate outside their own borders because it violates the constitution.

    But Q!  Its our fault, you see.  Right?  all our fault.
    Its always our fault.   Tongue


    Seriously? Don't play the victim card. When you interfere with the internal affairs of a nation it is your fault. Don't want to be blamed? GTFO. The US cannot and should not be held responsible for anything that goes on in Iraq now because its a sovereign nation. So yeah stay out and you won't be blamed.  Afro
  • Re: Fallout of West?s military intervention in Libya: Mali plunges into chaos
     Reply #11 - April 05, 2012, 07:23 PM

    More intervention is the solution obviously

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Fallout of West?s military intervention in Libya: Mali plunges into chaos
     Reply #12 - April 05, 2012, 07:31 PM

    Is there a youtube video I can watch of this and post on Facebook? Mali 2012?

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
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