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  • Re: Discussion about topic: Awkward questions to ask Christians
     Reply #120 - October 26, 2011, 02:24 AM

    Examples are:Yes, 6000 year old universe is Christianity belief, you are just denying it now because you now know it doesn't make sense anymore. But many other Christians do not deny it.Very idiotic and stupid statement may I say.. Either you believe in God, or you don't believe in God. If you believe in god, he makes everyone. And causes birth defects, if not, and if he only created Adam and Eve and let the rest go on its own, then there is absolutely no point in praising him day and night.. he just doesn't matter..


    This reply shows one of the most amazing levels of lack of insight and narrow mindedness I have come across in quite some time.  

    I have posted on this forum for just over two years and during that whole time have said the 6,000 year old universe is not a Bible teaching if you had known me my whole life I have never held that false teaching.

    I can not imagen why or how God is made less by the accurate undertanding that he set creation in motion and that right now for a period of time is not influencing absolutely every tiny things direction on the earth. This also is not a change from what I've said all along although I can not remember near as many convesations about the topic of birth defects and accidents.

    I was very much tempted to drive into town so I could get wifi and get on my laptop so I could cut and paste scriptures. Also look and see how far back to old post that I didn't change on those things. But I'm home already maybe some other time.

    But I tell you what I will change my mind if no Biblical absolute is involved.

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Discussion about topic: Awkward questions to ask Christians
     Reply #121 - October 26, 2011, 05:18 PM

    I have posted on this forum for just over two years and during that whole time have said the 6,000 year old universe is not a Bible teaching if you had known me my whole life I have never held that false teaching.

    What you believe or teach doesn't really matter. Many christians do, if you don't, then it means you have adjusted your belief based on scientific facts. Its intellectual dishonesty.
    I can not imagen why or how God is made less by the accurate undertanding that he set creation in motion and that right now for a period of time is not influencing absolutely every tiny things direction on the earth. This also is not a change from what I've said all along although I can not remember near as many convesations about the topic of birth defects and accidents.

    And what point are you making here except playing safe trying to avoid conflicts?

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  • Re: Discussion about topic: Awkward questions to ask Christians
     Reply #122 - October 27, 2011, 03:19 AM

    So what you are doing is prejudging all Christiians because you have encountered some narrow minded and uneducated people that applied their low standard also to the Bible.

    That is a very sorry condition to be in.

    What indeed would the would the world come to if each of us chose to select the least of any national group or belief system including atheism and then assumed all others were exaxtly at that same level. It simply did not matter all could be put to the level of the least because the least exists.

    Please give me some logical reason to think I misundestood you.

    Yes I try to avoid conflict. However Jehovah's Witnesses are likely the most published religion in the world. So it would not be difficult to prove I said something different then my religious believes.

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Discussion about topic: Awkward questions to ask Christians
     Reply #123 - October 27, 2011, 04:10 AM

    Hi lynna,
    You said you are a jehovah's witness?
     Amazing! i was raised as a jehovah's witness (my mother was and still is a jw)
     At one point in my life i was very devout in jw beliefs, i even auxiliary pioneered for several month's and was a member of the theocratic ministry school for a dozen years.
    There's many things i disagree with regarding jehovah's witness teachings like forbidding blood transfusions and the society claiming that the watchtower and awake magazines are the two witnesses of revelation. But, with that being said, i will say this; 'they make more sense of the bible  then all the other christian groups combined".

    PS. relax lynna i've never been disfellowshipped Afro
  • Re: Discussion about topic: Awkward questions to ask Christians
     Reply #124 - October 27, 2011, 04:55 AM

    Hi K-man,
    Actually disfollowshipped didn't come into my mind. However at some point I suppose it would have depending on the conversation I guess, I usually just think most disfollowedshipped people would have enough respect not to start a conversation.

    I was to busy thinking about the Watchtower and Awake being the 2 witnesses in Revelations. I've been baptized 26 years and don't think I've encountered that thought before. Hummm...Wow,,,Better get out my library because I also can't think who the 2 witnesses are right off the top of my head. Thanks for bringing something up that I'll have to do some research on.

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Discussion about topic: Awkward questions to ask Christians
     Reply #125 - October 27, 2011, 05:18 AM

    Hi lynna
    Well, the teaching is based on revelation chapter 11 starting from verse 3
    3 "And I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days dressed in sackcloth.” 4 These are [symbolized by] the two olive trees and the two lampstands and are standing before the Lord of the earth."

    In the revelation study book (the big red one) it stated that the two witnesses spoken of in the verses i brought up represent the watchtower and awake magazines. Teachings like that really made me re-evaluate my beliefs.
  • Re: Discussion about topic: Awkward questions to ask Christians
     Reply #126 - October 27, 2011, 05:24 AM

    Don't take me wrong, i'm not trying to change your beliefs... you (judging by your posts)like most jw's i have known (which are many including half of my family) are some of the nicest well mannered people around.

    I was just very surprised to see a jehovah's witness in this forum.
  • Re: Discussion about topic: Awkward questions to ask Christians
     Reply #127 - October 27, 2011, 06:42 AM

    Oh No I didn't think you were trying to change my religion but if you want to try politely we could go there as well.
    I've met a lot of interesting people here. Also it challanges my mind in many ways visiting, I'm from a very diverse cultural area of Southern California. I grow up in Indonesia and have also lived in Hawaii. Now I live in a very rural and poor area of the mid USofA. I don't get much diversity. So I enjoy coming here for ideas. Perhaps you've heard me mumbling about no laptop at my house because no wifi and not wired for landline telephone. lol but true.

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Discussion about topic: Awkward questions to ask Christians
     Reply #128 - October 27, 2011, 01:35 PM

    So what you are doing is prejudging all Christiians because you have encountered some narrow minded and uneducated people that applied their low standard also to the Bible.

    That is a very sorry condition to be in.

    What indeed would the would the world come to if each of us chose to select the least of any national group or belief system including atheism and then assumed all others were exaxtly at that same level. It simply did not matter all could be put to the level of the least because the least exists.

    Please give me some logical reason to think I misundestood you.

    Yes I try to avoid conflict. However Jehovah's Witnesses are likely the most published religion in the world. So it would not be difficult to prove I said something different then my religious believes.

    Oh, you are Jehovah witness?

    knock knock! You got shit!..  Cheesy

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  • Re: Discussion about topic: Awkward questions to ask Christians
     Reply #129 - October 27, 2011, 03:13 PM

    Oh, you are Jehovah witness?

    knock knock! You got shit!..  Cheesy


    I'm not sure which smiley you used. I can't see what they are. Perhaps it would only tell me the degree of joke you are making.

    Anyhow, I don't think it matters in regard to making your reply answer my question.

    I do think however that you're rather  young (20 or 22? forgive me if remember wrongly) and I can hope that time and expierence will allow you to be more tolerant of others as I'm sure you would like tolerence and understanding extended to you for your choices.

    Prejudgement, Indifference. Self rightiousness. Discrimination, All these attitudes cause problems.

    I think that even if two people are absolutely at odds with each others life style and believes it is possible to find some common ground topic on which the two can have a peasent and insightful coversation, If both are willing a pleasent conversation can be had about subjects the two do not agree about.

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Discussion about topic: Awkward questions to ask Christians
     Reply #130 - October 27, 2011, 03:16 PM

    Did you see the thread I started entitled Yo lynna?
  • Re: Discussion about topic: Awkward questions to ask Christians
     Reply #131 - October 27, 2011, 03:52 PM

    What's your view on homosexuality and gay marriage? Do you think it should be illegal?


    If the law in the land in which you live allows it then it is legal.
    If it's not people who want to go after that right should not be stopped or harassed.
    If people who are homosexual want to take legal means to changes (or benifit from) laws in their country so they have equal tax, retirement and health benifit as other couples that is absolutely reasonable.

    If you're asking if I think homosexual marriage is supported in the Bible, no I do not. But I will also say a person is under no obligation to go by the Bible.   

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Discussion about topic: Awkward questions to ask Christians
     Reply #132 - October 27, 2011, 03:57 PM

    Did you see the thread I started entitled Yo lynna?


    No I didn't. Is it safe for me to look for it or will it cause me grief?

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Discussion about topic: Awkward questions to ask Christians
     Reply #133 - October 27, 2011, 04:35 PM

    If you're asking if I think homosexual marriage is supported in the Bible, no I do not. But I will also say a person is under no obligation to go by the Bible.   


    Glad to read that.
  • Re: Discussion about topic: Awkward questions to ask Christians
     Reply #134 - October 27, 2011, 04:36 PM

    No I didn't. Is it safe for me to look for it or will it cause me grief?


    You asked me to start a different thread if I wanted to ask you questions, that's it.
  • Re: Discussion about topic: Awkward questions to ask Christians
     Reply #135 - October 27, 2011, 05:06 PM

    I'm not sure which smiley you used. I can't see what they are. Perhaps it would only tell me the degree of joke you are making.

    It was part of this joke:
    Quote
    Taoism: Shit happens.
    Confucianism: Confucius say, "Shit happens."
    Buddhism: If shit happens, it isn't really shit.
    Zen Buddhism: Shit is, and is not.
    Zen Buddhism #2: What is the sound of shit happening?
    Hinduism: This shit has happened before.
    Islam: If shit happens, it is the will of Allah.
    Islam #2: If shit happens, kill the person responsible.
    Islam #3: If shit happens, blame Israel.
    Catholicism: If shit happens, you deserve it.
    Protestantism: Let shit happen to someone else.
    Presbyterian: This shit was bound to happen.
    Episcopalian: It's not so bad if shit happens, as long as you serve the right wine with it.
    Methodist: It's not so bad if shit happens, as long as you serve grape juice with it.
    Congregationalist: Shit that happens to one person is just as good as shit that happens to another.
    Unitarian: Shit that happens to one person is just as bad as shit that happens to another.
    Lutheran: If shit happens, don't talk about it.
    Fundamentalism: If shit happens, you will go to hell, unless you are born again. (Amen!)
    Fundamentalism #2: If shit happens to a televangelist, it's okay.
    Fundamentalism #3: Shit must be born again.
    Judaism: Why does this shit always happen to us?
    Calvinism: Shit happens because you don't work.
    Seventh Day Adventism: No shit shall happen on Saturday.
    Creationism: God made all shit.
    Secular Humanism: Shit evolves.
    Christian Science: When shit happens, don't call a doctor - pray!
    Christian Science #2: Shit happening is all in your mind.
    Unitarianism: Come let us reason together about this shit.
    Quakers: Let us not fight over this shit.
    Utopianism: This shit does not stink.
    Darwinism: This shit was once food.
    Capitalism: That's MY shit.
    Communism: It's everybody's shit.
    Feminism: Men are shit.
    Chauvinism: We may be shit, but you can't live without us...
    Commercialism: Let's package this shit.
    Impressionism: From a distance, shit looks like a garden.
    Idolism: Let's bronze this shit.
    Existentialism: Shit doesn't happen; shit IS.
    Existentialism #2: What is shit, anyway?
    Stoicism: This shit is good for me.
    Hedonism: There is nothing like a good shit happening!
    Mormonism: God sent us this shit.
    Mormonism #2: This shit is going to happen again.
    Wiccan: An it harm none, let shit happen.
    Scientology: If shit happens, see "Dianetics", p.157.
    Jehovah's Witnesses: >Knock< >Knock< Shit happens.
    Jehovah's Witnesses #2: May we have a moment of your time to show you some of our shit?
    Jehovah's Witnesses #3: Shit has been prophesied and is imminent; only the righteous shall survive its happening.
    Moonies: Only really happy shit happens.
    Hare Krishna: Shit happens, rama rama.
    Rastafarianism: Let's smoke this shit!
    Zoroastrianism: Shit happens half on the time.
    Church of SubGenius: BoB shits.
    Practical: Deal with shit one day at a time.
    Agnostic: Shit might have happened; then again, maybe not.
    Agnostic #2: Did someone shit?
    Agnostic #3: What is this shit?
    Satanism: SNEPPAH TIHS.
    Atheism: What shit?
    Atheism #2: I can't believe this shit!
    Nihilism: No shit.
    Narcisism: I am the shit!

    And of course we must add...Alcoholics Anonymous:  Shit happens-one day at a time!


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  • Re: Discussion about topic: Awkward questions to ask Christians
     Reply #136 - November 21, 2011, 06:49 PM

    The reason that I joined the Unitarian church (first in Kensington) was because of two remarks that I heard at Golders Green Unitarian Rooms in 1978:

    1. The Bible is not the word of God. It is what people think the word of God is.
    2. If St. Paul were alive today, he would be in a mental institution.

    I think the second remark was about St. Paul's being torn between cultures and unable to fit into any culture properly, though I am sure that many people in both Europe and the Middle East were torn between their own culture and that of the Roman Empire at that time.

    You may like to know that for my Advent reading last December I read the story of the birth of the Buddha, which bears a suspiciously close resemblance to that of Jesus.
  • Re: Discussion about topic: Awkward questions to ask Christians
     Reply #137 - March 02, 2012, 10:34 PM

    Quote
    Golders Green Unitarian Rooms


    Only went past there on every school day for six years!

    And Lynna, have you read Oranges are not the only fruit?

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Discussion about topic: Awkward questions to ask Christians
     Reply #138 - March 03, 2012, 04:31 PM


    And Lynna, have you read Oranges are not the only fruit?


    Strange question for this thread?


    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Discussion about topic: Awkward questions to ask Christians
     Reply #139 - March 03, 2012, 04:59 PM

    Precisely on topic - about someone brought up JW....

    As someone brought up fundi I was taught JWs are destined for hell, and that they are not xians!

    And JWs cannot be defined as moderate xians.

    I am very puzzled, reading other posts of yours you are very thoughtful and emotionally intelligent.  So how does being a jw fit?  I would have thought you would almost continually have run ins with your elders.

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Discussion about topic: Awkward questions to ask Christians
     Reply #140 - March 03, 2012, 05:58 PM

    I was not brought up JW. I have very diverse religious backgroud, Jewish Grandparents,  Christendom parents, Athiest stepfather, went to Islamic high school, lived in Indonesia as child/teenager. So choice was always mine to think and accept what I found to be best.

    Most people that know me IRL are surprized to find out that I am a JW. If they don't meet m as such. If I ask them why they are surprized that I am a JW uaual answer is something like, "You're so down to earth and don't force your opinion." If I ask why that would stop me from being a JW usually the answer is unsure. If I say, "But you know my opinion say on 'dirty' jokes. I don't want to hear them. If you respect that, I don't need to tell you why beause that is part of me respecting you. If you want to know more and ask me, we can talk about. That respects both our right to think and choose for ourself.

    The correct use of the Bibe and knowledge of Jehovah shouldn't stop a person from thinking.

    The sad fact is through out history and even now people misuse the Bible, or other holy writings mixed with the traditions of men to hold power over others to thier harm and to stop thinking.

    There are some in congregation who don't know me well who account me as bad association, these however are not the Elders.

    Do you know much about the Bible?
    The apostle Peter is my favorite.
    There is a good laugh in that statement if you know much about both of us.

    So what's any of this have to do with oranges?

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Discussion about topic: Awkward questions to ask Christians
     Reply #141 - March 03, 2012, 07:11 PM

    I was not brought up JW. I have very diverse religious backgroud, Jewish Grandparents,  Christendom parents, Athiest stepfather, went to Islamic high school, lived in Indonesia as child/teenager. So choice was always mine to think and accept what I found to be best.

    Most people that know me IRL are surprized to find out that I am a JW. If they don't meet m as such. If I ask them why they are surprized that I am a JW uaual answer is something like, "You're so down to earth and don't force your opinion." If I ask why that would stop me from being a JW usually the answer is unsure. If I say, "But you know my opinion say on 'dirty' jokes. I don't want to hear them. If you respect that, I don't need to tell you why beause that is part of me respecting you. If you want to know more and ask me, we can talk about. That respects both our right to think and choose for ourself.

    The correct use of the Bibe and knowledge of Jehovah shouldn't stop a person from thinking.

    The sad fact is through out history and even now people misuse the Bible, or other holy writings mixed with the traditions of men to hold power over others to thier harm and to stop thinking.

    There are some in congregation who don't know me well who account me as bad association, these however are not the Elders.

    Do you know much about the Bible?
    The apostle Peter is my favorite.
    There is a good laugh in that statement if you know much about both of us.

    So what's any of this have to do with oranges?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oranges_Are_Not_the_Only_Fruit


    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Discussion about topic: Awkward questions to ask Christians
     Reply #142 - March 03, 2012, 07:43 PM

    WHY... would a perfect gawd do this, allow this, create such
    horrendous IMPERFECTION in creatures that are SUPPOSED
    to be in his image?  Dont say god didnt do it.  Cuz if he IS real, then
    according to the word the following are deemed as curses for sins
    committed by their parents. right?  RIGHT?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odUrHuIRD2s&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTJj6hDMkIg&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnyWCQ4khYQ&feature=related


    Very in depth question JinnandTonic. Right now I'm at a very disadvantage to answer because my laptop is down and I've only my not very smartphone.

    To start with at this point in human history God's prtection is not on the mankind in general or on the earth as a whole, because an issue is being resolved. Neither does God cause everything. Please look at a thread called "Hey, Lynna" or it might be "Yo, Lynna" started by StrangestDude. If you're inerested in more conversation I'll meet you there in a few days when my laptops fixed.

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Discussion about topic: Awkward questions to ask Christians
     Reply #143 - March 04, 2012, 12:27 PM

    There are several Peters described in the New Testament, including a Cephas who is probably someone else!  The ones in Acts and the Gospels do not really match and make sense.  The story of the vision of the freedom to eat food does not make sense from someone who has spent three years with someone who said it is not what goes in your mouth that matters but what comes out!  Why have a vision from god when god has already told you directly?

    The snag is we do not know when this stuff was written!  Peter is definitely overlaid by catholic doctrine of him being the first Pope.  Merging Peter and Cephas is definitely a catholic idea to try and edit together disparate stuff.

    Acts makes most sense as a much later work attempting to bring together differing traditions, especially those of Paul and James.


    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Discussion about topic: Awkward questions to ask Christians
     Reply #144 - March 22, 2012, 11:17 PM

    But they are not awkward questions if they are based on misunderstandings!  Going back to the issue of eating Bacon, this is clearly discussed in the vision of Peter in Acts.

    It is a common theme in the New Testament about a new heaven and earth - New testament means new law or new covenant.

    Behold I make all things new.

    The problem is more to do with there are so many xianities - Eastern Orthodoxy isn't as heavy about original sin as Westerners for example.

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Discussion about topic: Awkward questions to ask Christians
     Reply #145 - March 23, 2012, 05:19 AM

    All the discussions can be kept separate. This thread is only for collecting questions. Anyone trying to answer them is welcome to do so in new topics.


    What about trying to determine  if the questions  are awkward in the first place? Is that allowed? Of what value is list of questions  that no one can talk about or express opinions about. If Muddy, you are not even  a Christian and have never been one how would you even know if a question  is truly awkward  to Christian  moderate or otherwise. Perhaps as thread master you could  explain  more fully the purpose  of your laws then we can decide if live  by your rule or rebel.

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Discussion about topic: Awkward questions to ask Christians
     Reply #146 - March 23, 2012, 07:22 AM

    This describes the lot I grew up in - my great grandparents, grand parents and mum were closely involved.

    http://www.truthinhistory.org/the-welsh-revival-of-1904-1905.html

    Quote
    The Welsh Revival of 1904-1905   
    Evan Roberts 1878-1951  -  An Overview of the Welsh Revival of 1904/1905 The REVIVAL of 1904-1905 resulted in over 150,000 people converted and added to churches and chapels in Wales. Lives were TRANSFORMED! Lifestyles were CHANGED! Homes and families were HEALED! Churches were packed and on FIRE with fervour and zeal!

    All this happened when young people began to experience the reality of God’s divine power, and teams of young people, such as the one led by the most noted of the revivalist, EVAN ROBERTS and his revival party, travelled the country revolutionising the churches.

    100 YEARS LATER ... COULD IT HAPPEN AGAIN?

    Here is love, vast as the ocean, loving kindness as the flood,

    When the Prince of Life my ransom shed for me His precious blood,

    Who His love will not remember, who can cease to sing His praise?

    He shall never be forgotten through Heaven's everlasting days.

    On the mount of crucifixion fountains opened deep and wide

    Through the floodgates of God's mercy flowed the vast and gracious tide,

    Grace and love like mighty rivers poured incessant from above

    Heaven's peace and perfect justice kissed a guilty world in love.

    INTRODUCTION

    Just after eleven o'clock on a Wednesday evening a hundred years ago, a solo voice rang out with the beautiful Welsh hymn "Here Is Love Vast As The Ocean". Maybe a thousand people were in the Chapel at the time, leaning over the galleries, packing every pew and squeezing into every spare corner. They'd been here for more than four hours, in a service of intense emotion.  

    Meetings like it were taking place across Wales night after night, with fervent prayer and passionate singing - and similar disregard for the clock. They both excited and appalled, left many puzzled and some frightened, but it was reckoned that in less than a year, over a hundred and fifty thousand people had made a new commitment to Jesus Christ.


    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Discussion about topic: Awkward questions to ask Christians
     Reply #147 - March 23, 2012, 02:32 PM

    What you what to see miracle healing?

    Seeing miracles won't make people believe and live a Christian life for real.

    Anyhow the Bible foretold  how to identify  Christians during the last days and it wasn't by physical  healing.

    One of these identifying marks is at given at John 3:35 By this all will know that you are my disciples,if you have love among yourselves.
    Now it will take more then just a minute to determine what this love is and if an individual and or group has it. But I would  think a real good start would be is if that individual. Or group was willing to kill there their fellow in wars they  most likely  don't  have love among themselves.  Another thing to check. Is how they feel about their fellow of another race or nationality

    I found what I was looking for about powerful works. It's  at Matthew  7:21~23 "Not everyone saying to me, 'Lord, Lord' will enter into the kingdom the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in heaven will. Many will say to me in that day, 'Lord, Lord did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name and perform many powerful works in your name? And yet then I will confess to the: I never knew you! Get away from me. You workers of lawlessness.

    So just doing some great or wonderful work and saying it is in God's name doesn't cut it. The individual and group has to doing what Jesus' disciples were instructed to be doing.

    The main thing was teaching the kingdom of God. That should be the main thing now,.#  

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  • Re: Discussion about topic: Awkward questions to ask Christians
     Reply #148 - March 23, 2012, 02:38 PM

    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/god5.htm

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    Chapter 5 - Why won't God heal amputees?

    Does God answer prayers? According to believers, the answer is certainly yes.

    For example, at any Christian bookstore you can find hundreds of books about the power of prayer. On the Internet you can find thousands of testimonials to the many ways that God works in our lives today. Even large city newspapers and national magazines run stories about answered prayers. God seems to be interacting with our world and answering millions of prayers on planet Earth every day.

    God's power often can be quite dramatic. Take, for example, this story from Marilyn Hickey Ministries:

    Prayer is a communication system we have available to fellowship with our heavenly Father and which activates His promises in our lives. No one can beat this system. It's quick. It's efficient. And it's available to you right now! Prayer reaches our heavenly Father instantly. Years ago my mother's doctors found a tumor in her brain. When I heard the news, I was out of town so I could not lay my hands on her. That night as fear swept over me, the Lord quickened Psalms 107:20 to my spirit: "He sent his word and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions." I sent God's Word long distance to my mother's brain. When she was X-rayed again by her doctors, there was no evidence that any tumor had ever existed! Hallelujah! Our prayers are swifter than any medical technique. Only born again believers who have accepted Jesus Christ as Lord can have a relationship with the Father and prayer is the communication method you must use to develop that relationship. [ref]
    Stories like these can be easily found all over the Web.
    How Prayer Works

    For believers, it is obvious why so many prayers are answered. In the Bible, Jesus promises many times that he will answer our prayers. For example, in Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:

    Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
    Ask and you will receive. What could be simpler than that?
    In Matthew 17:20 Jesus reiterates that same message:

    For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.
    Since a mustard seed is a tiny inanimate object about the size of a grain of salt, it is easy to imagine that the faith of a mustard seed is fairly small. So, paraphrasing, what Jesus is saying is that if you have the tiniest bit of faith, you can move mountains.
    Jesus says something similar in Matthew 21:21:

    I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.
    The message is reiterated Mark 11:24:
    Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
    In John chapter 14, verses 12 through 14, Jesus tells all of us just how easy prayer can be:
    "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father. Whatever you ask in my name, I will do it, that the Father may be glorified in the Son; if you ask anything in my name, I will do it.
    In Matthew 18:19 Jesus says it again:
    Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
    Jesus is actually in our midst and God answers our prayers.
    The miracle of Jeanna Giese

    There are so many examples of the power of prayer, but one in particular deserves special consideration because it is so well documented. In December of 2004 a girl named Jeanna Giese survived a bite from a rabid bat through prayer. Hundreds of newspapers (including the Raleigh News and Observer in my home town) ran stories about the miracle of her recovery with headlines such as "Rabies girl in miracle recovery." In Raleigh, the headline was "Web weaves global prayer circle - Petitions circle the world as girl beats rare case of rabies." [Source: by Sharon Roznik, Raleigh News and Observer, December 17, 2004]

    The summary of the story goes like this. Jeanna was in a church service in Wisconsin when a brown bat fell into the aisle. She picked the bat up and carried it outside. No one gave it a second thought.

    A month later it was obvious that something was wrong. Soon Jeanna had a full case of rabies. No human has ever survived this disease without being vaccinated. Up until 2004, full-blown rabies had been 100% fatal.

    According to the article, a global prayer circle helped Jeanna survive. Once she got sick, Jeanna's father called friends and asked them to pray for Jeanna. People around the world heard about her story through the press and by word of mouth. They prayed. They sent emails. They passed the word along. Millions of people heard about Jeanna's plight and they said prayers for her.

    And the prayer circle worked. Through the power of God, Jeanna recovered. Jeanna was the first human to survive rabies without the vaccine.

    Dr. Charles Rupprecht of the CDC in Atlanta called Jeanna's case a miracle. The family and everyone in Jeanna's huge, global prayer circle know that God heard their prayers and answered them.

    This is amazing stuff. The dictionary defines a miracle as "An event that appears inexplicable by the laws of nature and so is held to be supernatural in origin or an act of God." [ref] So we must ask a fundamental question: Did an all-loving, all-powerful God hear the prayers from Jeanna's worldwide prayer circle and then reach down from heaven to help Jeanna? Did God actually interact with Jeanna's body, making the impossible happen and curing her case of rabies through a divine miracle?

    Or did something else happen?

    We can actually answer this question with a simple experiment....

    A simple experiment

    For this experiment, we need to find a deserving person who has had both of his legs amputated. For example, find a sincere, devout veteran of the Iraqi war, or a person who was involved in a tragic automobile accident.

    Now create a prayer circle like the one created for Jeanna Giese. The job of this prayer circle is simple: pray to God to restore the amputated legs of this deserving person. I do not mean to pray for a team of renowned surgeons to somehow graft the legs of a cadaver onto the soldier, nor for a team of renowned scientists to craft mechanical legs for him. Pray that God spontaneously and miraculously restores the soldier's legs overnight, in the same way that God spontaneously and miraculously cured Jeanna Giese and Marilyn Hickey's mother.

    If possible, get millions of people all over the planet to join the prayer circle and pray their most fervent prayers. Get millions of people praying in unison for a single miracle for this one deserving amputee. Then stand back and watch.

    What is going to happen? Jesus clearly says that if you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. He does not say it once -- he says it many times in many ways in the Bible.


    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Discussion about topic: Awkward questions to ask Christians
     Reply #149 - March 23, 2012, 03:45 PM

    It doesn't  say that you can ask just anything and it willing be done. It says anything to the glory  of the his Father in heaven. You've got to read the rest of the book to figure out what that is. Even Paul who healed others was not healed himself. I gave you a couple scriptures that indicated miracles woold stop. I can give you a principle. It is seen in how the ancient  Israelites saw many miracles but they still missed the point that God was providing for them. They were thankful for nothing they only wanted what they could see with their eyes they could not believe the promise. My thought is the brain tumor so called miracle never happened or it happened  by power other then direct intervention by God. I'm a nurse, you would not believe the horror stories  I've seen as a result of so called healing. The Bible  is clear  that during our time period there is no physical healing. It is currently  Satan system  of things to prove a point.

    If you are interested in more conversation how about moving to  Life, The Universe & Everything /Religions and God/Re: Yo Lynna

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