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 Topic: Kalam cosmological argument.

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  • Kalam cosmological argument.
     Reply #60 - February 06, 2015, 09:14 PM

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    In this way, the burden of proof is related to the informal fallacy of ‘argument from ignorance’. It’s important to understand when this charge is actually a fallacy, and when it is not. Whether it sticks will depend on who has the burden of proof, which will depend on known background information. When intelligent design proponents claim that everything in the genome has a designed function and we just haven’t found it yet, that’s a fallacy. When the evolutionary biologist claims that there has never been found an instance of an intelligently designed biological organism, therefore ID is false, it is not a fallacy. The evidence is clearly on one side.

    Now a hard-nosed skeptic will perhaps reply that science isn’t complete, and we don’t know everything, so how can we categorically rule out the existence of things? But this is again to confuse ontology with epistemology, to treat knowledge as absolute truth rather than a provisional assessment of truth.

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  • Kalam cosmological argument.
     Reply #61 - February 06, 2015, 09:23 PM

    logics are just axiom systems which live in the space of all possible axiom systems.

    Here's an elaboration:

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  • Kalam cosmological argument.
     Reply #62 - February 06, 2015, 09:24 PM

    Qtian you may enjoy reading     Stephen Weinberg

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  • Kalam cosmological argument.
     Reply #63 - February 06, 2015, 09:32 PM

    Have you read the blog post by Sean Carroll Yeez, what do you make of it?

    I can't read too much of that word document, the formatting is hurting my eyes :(

    Now we have the frustratingly annoying critique. Because: duh. If your criterion for “being interesting or important” comes down to “is useful to me in my work,” you’re going to be leading a fairly intellectually impoverished existence. Nobody denies that the vast majority of physics gets by perfectly well without any input from philosophy at all. (“We need to calculate this loop integral! Quick, get me a philosopher!”)

    Before Cosmology was accepted as a science, it found its home in Philosophy. Philosophy can be a useful auxiliary when exploring topics such as underdetermination.

    I'll raise your Weinberg and give you an Einstein:

    I fully agree with you about the significance and educational value of methodology as well as history and philosophy of science. So many people today—and even professional scientists—seem to me like somebody who has seen thousands of trees but has never seen a forest. A knowledge of the historic and philosophical background gives that kind of independence from prejudices of his generation from which most scientists are suffering. This independence created by philosophical insight is—in my opinion—the mark of distinction between a mere artisan or specialist and a real seeker after truth. (Einstein to Thornton, 7 December 1944, EA 61-574)

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  • Kalam cosmological argument.
     Reply #64 - February 06, 2015, 09:57 PM

    I'd have to say that this is my favourite video regarding the explanatory value of "God".
    This is why Bayes' theorem is useful.

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