Now let me answer Akahoshi point by point..
I'll sum things up :
1 - You claimed Muhammad peace be upon him raped her but you brought me ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF
I tell you this., for the past 10 years I have written more than 10,000 posts But I have never written, claimed that Muhammad raped Aisha"
in any of posts in any forum.
Akahoshi it appears that you are imagining your self "That this man is so old and so learned man, and that girl is a innocent 9 year old girl, so sex between the two must have been a rape"
and you are projecting that to me. Forget you debating Islam with me, If you show me a single post from me where I said that, you win and I loose
2 - You claimed that Hadith says so
3 - I showed you that Hadith says he married her and that your claim is wrong
Yes., you did show that and I have read that hadith 100s of times., but as i said I didn't claim what you are saying "I claimed", so your statement is false to start with.
4 - You then called Hadith bullshit and claimed that it was only things written by some fools after his death , but in that case , we can't even make sure that Quran actually existed , to be honest , we can't proof that there was a man called Muhammad at all ,
All that is true and I said that., and i am willing to challenge many on that "hadith is bullshit".
this is what we'll reach if we use your mentality ,
What do you mean by that?? Do you mean what I said above in your point-4 leads to Muhammad raping 9 year old girl??
but any sane person knows that Hadith was taken from his friends and no body objected , therefore , Hadith is what he said , you can't take what you like from it and deny the rest[
Whose friends?? alleged hadith character "Muhammad" friends??
if there was Muhammad that is depicted in hadith, His friend are IDIOTS of nth order.
. Abu Bakr A friend of Muhammad?? no no i call him Abu BAKHRA The first caliph., I will not call him as friend of Muhammad, I will call him as nth order Idiot who gave away his 9 year old child to a 50 year old man who is as old as he. In fact according to these hadiths, Abu Bakr was year or two older than Muhammad. As a friend, he should have beaten up Muhammad for asking Abu Bakr' to give his 6 year old little girl to marry her because Muhammad saw her in his dreams.... some stupid dream.... angle telling him some stupid thing in one of his some stupid dreams.
well on the way let me put some hadith here
Sahih Bukhari 9.140
Allah's Apostle said to me,
"You were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said to him, 'Uncover (her),' and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen
Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
Sahih Bukhari V.7, B62, N. 37
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
It was said to the Prophet, "Won't you marry the daughter of Hamza?" He said, "She is my foster niece (brother's daughter). "
Some Muslims claim that it was Abu Bakr who approached Muhammad asking him to marry his daughter. This is of course not true and here is the proof.
Sahih Bukhari 7.18
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."
Sahih Bukhari 5.236.
Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.
Sahih Bukhari 5.234
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.
Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 41, Number 4915, also Number 4916 and Number 4917
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. according to Bishr's version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 90
When the Prophet married me, my mother came to me and made me enter the house (of the Prophet) and nothing surprised me but the coming of Allah's Apostle to me in the forenoon.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151
I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)
Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3311
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 33
I never felt so jealous of any woman as I did of Khadija, though she had died three years before the Prophet married me, and that was because I heard him mentioning her too often, and because his Lord had ordered him to give her the glad tidings that she would have a palace in Paradise, made of Qasab and because he used to slaughter a sheep and distribute its meat among her friends.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 245
(the wife of the Prophet) I never remembered my parents believing in any religion other than the true religion (i.e. Islam),
All that is absolute bull shit. In fact it is Islamic fecal excretion . it should have been burned out of Islam long time ago. It is already late but even now it is time to burn all that inside the mosques. Ideally Muslims should do it, otherwise ZEBRAS will do it Akahosi. I believe Zebras are more intelligent than Muslim Baboons who believe in hadith.
5 - You didn't argue with me about the marriage , you just twisted the facts , now I know why did they say that you never lost a debate before , because you never debated at the first place , you lie and explain things the way you like and only trust what you are told in TV , if you were really someone who wants to debate then why don't you debate about these Ahadith I brought to you
What is their to argue? a 50 year old man sleeping with a 9 year old child? there is nothing to argue in it and rest of your response is irrelevant
And finally , I see that there is no point in me staying at this stink foul place that only brings claims from some idiots assholes without evidence , so goodbye and good riddance , and this thread will always remain as a sign that you feared to actually debate
Nope I have not brought up anything., I am sorry to see you leave the forum, but you must realize that
it is you who brought Aisha in to the debate.,
it is you who wrote I said "Muhammad raped Aisha"
It is you who is getting upset.
In fact many times with many Muslim guys, I said "There was No Aisha" in the history of Islam, as she was not mentioned in Quran.
with best wishes