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Topic: Accurate translation of Koran 4:34

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Accurate translation of Koran 4:34
OP - March 18, 2012, 08:37 PM

What is the accurate translation of Koran 4:34. The part I want to know is specifically about beating of wives. The USC website gives three alternative translations:

YUSUFALI: beat them (lightly)
PICKTHAL: scourge them
SHAKIR: beat them

Which of these is the most accurate? I would suspect that the Yusufali translation (that adds "lighty" in parenthesis) is simply a modern re-interpretation of the original meaning. But I would love to hear the opinion of a native or expert Arabic speaker.
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Re: Accurate translation of Koran 4:34
Reply #1 - March 18, 2012, 08:48 PM

Shakir's translation is the most accurate. The Arabic word used is the most common for the concept of physical assault, almost with exactly the same associations and nuances as the English word "beat". The context makes it clear that that is what is meant by the verse. The intensity of the beating is not specified, one way or another. Trying to find other meanings for the word (as some Sufis have) strikes me as disingenuous rationalization. To an Arabic speaker, it's pretty clear what the verse means.

قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
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Re: Accurate translation of Koran 4:34
Reply #2 - March 18, 2012, 08:57 PM

^ i concur..

http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?board=2.0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV9vdUjuWxc
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Re: Accurate translation of Koran 4:34
Reply #3 - March 18, 2012, 08:58 PM

قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
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Re: Accurate translation of Koran 4:34
Reply #4 - March 18, 2012, 08:59 PM

^again with the concurring.. lol

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Re: Accurate translation of Koran 4:34
Reply #5 - April 01, 2012, 11:16 AM

read the commentaries and meaning will be clear ... lightly in brackets is not wrong but also not accurate , because from hadiths it is clear that don't beat them severely.....but it is not "light" beating.........you can slap her and beat her but don't leave mark and her bones should not be fractured [source tafseer-e-usmani (urdu) ]

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Re: Accurate translation of Koran 4:34
Reply #6 - April 01, 2012, 01:35 PM

you can do alot of damage WITHOUT breaking any bones

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Re: Accurate translation of Koran 4:34
Reply #7 - April 01, 2012, 01:43 PM

Quote from: Azdaha ExMuslim on April 01, 2012, 11:16 AM
read the commentaries and meaning will be clear ... lightly in brackets is not wrong but also not accurate , because from hadiths it is clear that don't beat them severely.....but it is not "light" beating.........you can slap her and beat her but don't leave mark and her bones should not be fractured [source tafseer-e-usmani (urdu) ]

Wife beating RULES in Islam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZhIH9Dk7p8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfPSN_92v2w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC0wPbFIex0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS1dxSUqOTc

what more we need.. Each Idiot understands those rules in his own way.. and that proves book of Allah soooooooooo.sooo simple and clear..

Idiots at their worst..

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Re: Accurate translation of Koran 4:34
Reply #8 - April 01, 2012, 01:52 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGcAzX9E3qU

holy doll..LOOK AT THIS ROGUE he is abusing his wife and their child is video taping. .. Such stray dogs in human form are not fit to live along with human beings..

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I renounced my faith to become a kafir,
the beloved betrayed me and turned in to a Muslim
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