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  • Re: KONY 2012
     Reply #60 - March 09, 2012, 08:01 AM

    ^They do need the cash though,only that the Western NGOs havent found a well-informed person that is unbiased to rely on

    http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/424-national-security/7996-oil-reserves-in-uganda-us-sends-humanitarian-intervention


    The documentary fails to mention all that ^ and simply says he's fighting to remain in power  Roll Eyes Not even once is Christianity or the Bible mentioned, if it was and he was called say a "Christian terrorist" there's no way the US congress would back this.  



    Good point.


    I swear this thread is like watching a porn popcorn

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  • Re: KONY 2012
     Reply #61 - March 09, 2012, 08:29 AM

    Or don't pretend to be "social activists" all of a sudden.

    U wot m8?

  • Re: KONY 2012
     Reply #62 - March 09, 2012, 10:49 AM

    The reason Kony's own Christian fundamentalism is conveniently left out of the glossy, shiny video by "Invisible Children" is because Jason Russell, the co-founder of Invisible Children and one of its film-makers, is himself an evangelical Christian. His bio on the IC site and most places on the 'net just happens to leave that bit out, though.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkB8o5VWAjE&hd=1

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: KONY 2012
     Reply #63 - March 09, 2012, 12:13 PM

    Oh FFS. Liberty University is a boil on the backside of academia. Anyone associated with that place is batshit crazy.

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  • Re: KONY 2012
     Reply #64 - March 09, 2012, 12:15 PM

    LONG LIVE THE LRA! LONG LIVE JOSEPH KONY! FUCK ALL YA'LL!

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: KONY 2012
     Reply #65 - March 09, 2012, 12:26 PM

    They seem to have addressed a lot of the issues. I think it is possible that IC itself is being manipulated.


    I see no reason to relieve them of all responsibility for over-simplifying for political reasons, a highly complicated issue and region of the world.

    Check out what their communications manager posted on reddit recently:

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    The LRA left northern Uganda in 2006. The LRA is currently active in Democratic Republic of Congo, Central African Republic, and South Sudan. Invisible Children’s mission is to stop Joseph Kony and the LRA wherever they are and help rehabilitate LRA-affected communities. The Ugandan government’s army, the UPDF, is more organized and better equipped than that of any of the other affected countries (DRC, South Sudan, CAR) to track down Joseph Kony. Part of the US strategy to stop Kony is to encourage cooperation between the governments and armies of the 4 LRA-affected countries. The LRA was active in Uganda for nearly 20 years, displacing 1.7 million people and abducting at least 30,000 children. The people and government of Uganda have a vested interested in seeing him stopped.
    We do not defend any of the human rights abuses perpetrated by the Ugandan government or the Ugandan army. None of the money donated through Invisible Children ever goes to the government of Uganda. Yet the only feasible and proper way to stop Kony and protect the civilians he targets is to coordinate efforts with regional governments.


    So, this poor, poor charity has no choice but to help tyrannical, corrupt, genocidal and child-soldiers-using govts to bring down 1 guy who they want everyone to believe is the ONLY problem in that region.

    That + Invisible Children's Christian agenda speaks volumes.

    Sorry. Too educated, and not via "Liberty" University. Therefore, not buying their saviour crap.

    Example:

    Find suitable group that has juicy issue (ZOMG KIDDIES!) > tell them you have information (which cannot be publicly verified) that their pet demon is gonna rampage in Uganda again > suggest this can be dealt with > offer bux and suggest a nice video would help.


    Yeah, but again, you would be ignoring the not-very-non-profit salaries that Invisible Children's executives make. Note: The salaries they make are actually pretty standard for that level of an NGO, which actually is another debate about the agendae and financial structures of NGOs in general. However, you can't just brush it off as though these are just innocent widdle kids who are simply being manipulated by more insidious forces. That may be true, but this group is also doing much of the manipulating (of well-meaning but uninformed masses).

    It's not quite that simple, IMHO. Putting it that way is as simplistic as saying it was all about freedom and democracy.


    Umm. Okay. Let's reword it then...
    The war in iraq is a perfect example. Is there anyone who doubts that that invasion happened largely in order for US oil corps and other corps (security firms etc.) to profit from the resources and the instabilities in that country?

    Nobody is denying that problems existed in Iraq, but it is highly debatable whether the now almost 9 year war there actually made things better or worse.

    What is 100% provable, undeniable and clear is that oil and security firms and various other multinational corporations made billions due to that war. And retrospective analysis shows that the biggest push for the war in Iraq in 2003 and beyond came from corporate lobbyists and politicians who were themselves invested in oil and security firms that later benefited from that war.

    No, it was not. It was sold on the basis of false "intelligence" about Saddam's regime having weapons of mass destruction. Women and children didn't come into it.


    The Iraq War propaganda went through strategic spin cycles over time. It was at first about fighting Al-Qaeda who had been deemed responsible for 9/11. Then it was about weapons of mass destruction. Then it was about Saddam's brutality towards Iraqis, including yes those poor poor children we must all go and save. Then it was about "staying the course". Then it was about... well you get the picture. Of course, war-torn Iraq still had suffering, dying children, but now there was corporate money to be lost from talking about those children, so this issue was not as urgently in our faces.

    Not sure how this is relevant to what I said.


    You'd said: "bear in mind that if western companies don't cut oil deals with Museveni's regime then Chinese and/or Russian companies will, and they don't give a shit about human rights either."

    I was responding to that by pointing out that just because western companies cut deals with oil-rich nations (e.g. Saudi Arabia) does not mean at all that there will be a blossoming of human rights in those nations.

    Yeah, it works. For a while anyway. Tends to cause major problems down the tracks a bit.


    Arguably, it does not work at all actually. It always backfires as it tends to really, really piss people off, and people remember, and then at their first chance, hit back against western countries and peoples.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: KONY 2012
     Reply #66 - March 09, 2012, 12:31 PM

    Oh FFS. Liberty University is a boil on the backside of academia. Anyone associated with that place is batshit crazy.


    Yep. And it's just interesting how hush-hush this "charity"'s Christian connections are kept. No mention in the video, no mention on their website as far as I could find.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: KONY 2012
     Reply #67 - March 09, 2012, 12:43 PM

    KONY 2012 INDEED! KONY FOR PRESIDENT!

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: KONY 2012
     Reply #68 - March 09, 2012, 12:47 PM

    I'd rather Kony than Romney.

    No but in all seriousness, I'm still confused as to why people are working hard round the clock to slate the campaign, I'm starting to think there may be antiinterventionalist reactionaries on the left 

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

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  • Re: KONY 2012
     Reply #69 - March 09, 2012, 12:50 PM

    Well, don't know who you're talking about. Responding at all to an ongoing online hysteria is reactionary? Grin

    Ignoring all the rational arguments and evidence brought up is actually a missionary/evangelical position. It seems that Invisible Children has recruited those people who jumped on their bandwagon early and who are now unable to even process any critiques of their saviour organization/campaign.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: KONY 2012
     Reply #70 - March 09, 2012, 12:55 PM

    I see no reason to relieve them of all responsibility for over-simplifying for political reasons, a highly complicated issue and region of the world.

    Hard to tell if they're political or not. If these guys are Liberty Uni types then they are fundies to the max, most likely of the 6,000 year old Earth variety. Such people tend to see things in terms of very simplistic dogma.


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    So, this poor, poor charity has no choice but to help tyrannical, corrupt, genocidal and child-soldiers-using govts to bring down 1 guy who they want everyone to believe is the ONLY problem in that region.

    Anyone who thinks Kony is the only problem in the region is a fucking idiot.


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    Yeah, but again, you would be ignoring the not-very-non-profit salaries that Invisible Children's executives make.

    I honestly can't see how their salaries are relevant to the main issues here.


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    Umm. Okay. Let's reword it then...

    Well I could dispute some of that, but the Iraq war is getting off topic for this thread.


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    You'd said: "bear in mind that if western companies don't cut oil deals with Museveni's regime then Chinese and/or Russian companies will, and they don't give a shit about human rights either."

    I was responding to that by pointing out that just because western companies cut deals with oil-rich nations (e.g. Saudi Arabia) does not mean at all that there will be a blossoming of human rights in those nations.

    Of course not. I wasn't suggesting anything of the sort. What I was saying was that if you don't cut a deal someone else will. IOW, all that happens is you miss out on the resources.


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    Arguably, it does not work at all actually. It always backfires as it tends to really, really piss people off, and people remember, and then at their first chance, hit back against western countries and peoples.

    We're saying much the same thing here.

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  • Re: KONY 2012
     Reply #71 - March 09, 2012, 12:57 PM

    I'd rather Kony than Romney.

    No but in all seriousness, I'm still confused as to why people are working hard round the clock to slate the campaign, I'm starting to think there may be antiinterventionalist reactionaries on the left  


    Cause fuck those punk white boys that's why. No, seriously. People like this and projects like this will not only not solve Africa's problems it may make them worse.

    His bio on the IC site and most places on the 'net just happens to leave that bit out, though.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkB8o5VWAjE&hd=1



    No but his bio on that site does state he has 2 kids with his wife and hopes to have 9 more with her-- wanting to breed 11 kids is a sure sign of religious nuttery.


    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: KONY 2012
     Reply #72 - March 09, 2012, 02:15 PM

    Talking about Iraq....



    http://www.facebook.com/tony2012official

     Cheesy
  • Re: KONY 2012
     Reply #73 - March 09, 2012, 06:16 PM

    If the campaign raises awareness for this vile and evil man then it can only be a positive, whether or not it actually helps in capturing him in another thing. What I found inspirational, at least on the surface, is that people - especially young people - were empowered to do something positive and see the fruits of their labour, in the form of political and military backing of their cause; this is what democracy should invoke, active and meaningful participation in holding our elected officials to account.  I hope this campaign can be a catalyst for people to take up other causes like ending hunger around the world.
  • Re: KONY 2012
     Reply #74 - March 10, 2012, 05:00 PM

    The Guardian had an interesting, and rather long, piece about this.

    Kony 2012: what's the real story?

    Despite the length of the article it is worth reading the whole thing. Excerpts follow.

    Quote
    12.59pm: The Ugandan journalist Angelo Opi-aiya Izama has written this blog, which makes a similar point to that of Larok about the Invisible Children campaign being outdated. He's been talking to our foreign desk and has just sent this as an addition:



        One salient issue the film totally misses is that the actual geography of today's LRA operations is related to a potentially troubling "resource war".

        Since 2006, Uganda discovered world class oil fields along its border with DRC. The location of the oil fields has raised the stakes for the Ugandan military and its regional partners, including the US.

        While LRA is seen as a mindless evil force, its deceased deputy leader, Vincent Otii, told me once that their fight with President Yoweri Museveni was about "money and oil". This context is relevant because it allows for outsiders to view the LRA issue more objectively within the recent history of violence in the wider region that includes the great Central Africa wars of the 90s, in which groups like LRA were pawns for proxy wars between countries.

        In LRA's case, its main support came from the Sudanese government in Khartoum and many suspect it still maintains the patronage of Omar el-Bashir, the country's president, himself indicted for war crimes by the ICC.


    Quote
    3.48pm: I've just been speaking with Liz Wainwright, an English photojournalist who completed research in Uganda for an Msc in 2009. During her time there she worked with Invisible Children and she gives a really nuanced views of their work. To verify her relationship with Invisible Children, and her knowledge of the region, Liz sent me a copy of her thesis on "stakeholder perspective on how to holistically support children who have experienced conflict in Northern Uganda", which makes frequent references to her time with the organisation.



        Invisible Children have had a huge impact on the area. They are well respected by other NGOs. I worked alongside them and they were very solutions focused. They didn't sit around talking for too long and checked with experts and that the local people wanted what they were doing. So many organisations stomp in, do what they do and leave. It was very needs driven. My impression over the past few years is that they've got very shiny and slick. The media campaigning is a different type of work to on the ground project work they do. I think they need to decide whether they go down the route of media campaigns or do project work. The film is very sensationalist about the conflict in Uganda. But Uganda is in transition. They are in the aftermath of the war.

        This film will have implications that we can't predict yet. It'll be children who are Kony's bodyguards. If they do get Kony there will be a wall of children to get through. How will they deal with that? I don't know whether those details are thought about. Any publicity is good publicity I suppose. But everything now seems to have very short term vision. In something which is the future of these children's lives you have to have a long term vision. Anything else is reactionary and frankly selfish.

        Most of the people working for Invisible Children are media professionals not development professionals. That's important, but you need the expert input. It's hard, I'm caught in the middle; I do admire them. They are having a great impact in northern Uganda. They have some unique ways of working, a good mentoring scheme where they pair people who have come through the conflict with people who are coming out of it now. But then I don't agree in the film itself. It was a little self-indulgent, emotive, that's how they do things and it has had a huge impact. Perhaps development needs refreshing as an industry and this is new blood and it's causing a stir that they are doing something different.


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  • Re: KONY 2012
     Reply #75 - March 12, 2012, 01:15 AM

    Tax Forms Show Invisible Children Funded By Antigay, Creationist Christian Right

    What does Invisible Children share in common with the Discovery Institute, the leading organization promoting "Intelligent Design", a pseudo-scientific theory created to insinuate creationist ideas into public schools -- or with The Call, whose leader Lou Engle claims homosexuals are possessed by demons, calls God an "avenger of blood" and a "terrorist", and in May 2010 staged a rally in Kampala, Uganda, at which Engle warned of a gay menace to society and shared a stage with one of the authors of Uganda's notorious Anti Homosexuality Bill ?

    990 IRS tax forms and yearly reports from Invisible Children, and 990s from its major donors, tell a story that's jarringly at odds with the secular, airbrushed, feelgood image the nonprofit has cultivated.
       
    Among the tens of millions of people who have watched Invisible Children's KONY 2012 viral video, including Oprah Winfrey - a dedicated supporter of LGBT rights who also has given $2 million dollars to Invisible Children, how many were aware of IC's extensive financial ties to far-right fundamentalism, including major funders of the mounting global war on gay rights ? IC doesn't go out of its way to advertise these things.

    But Invisible Children's first yearly report, from 2006, gives "special thanks" to the "Caster Family Foundation" and IC's 2007 report is more specific, thanking Terry and Barbara Caster. In the lead up to the 2008 election, the California-based Caster family was identified as one of the biggest financial backers of the push for California's anti-same sex marriage Proposition 8.

    Capping the pro-Prop 8 push was a November 1, 2008 San Diego stadium rally held by The Call, whose leader Lou Engle warned that same sex marriage could unleash a "sexual insanity" that would be "more demonic than Islam" and suggested believers should carry out acts of martyrdom to stop gay marriage and legal abortion, which Engle predicts will lead to a second American civil war.

    One of The Call's major donors in 2008 also gave, that same year, over 400,000 dollars to Invisible Children. These links weren't anomalies. They were part of a pattern.

    What does Invisible Children share in common with James Dobson's Focus on the Family, the Family Research Council (pegged by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a "hate group"), or the Fellowship Foundation --- one of the nonprofit entities of the Washington-based evangelical organization also known as "The Family" (covered in two books by journalist Jeff Sharlet) whose leader Doug Coe has been captured on video celebrating the dedication inspired by Hitler, Lenin, and Mao ?

    What does IC have in common with the ministry of California evangelist Ed Silvoso, who works directly with leading Ugandan author and promoter of the Anti Homosexuality Bill (also called the "kill the gays bill") Julius Oyet -- who claims that "even animals are wiser than homosexuals"?

    The answer? -- all of these ministries - the Discovery Institute, Focus on the Family, the Family Research Council, The Fellowship Foundation, The Call, Ed Silvoso's Harvest Evangelism, and Invisible Children - received at least $100,000 in 2008 from what has emerged in the last decade as the biggest funder of the hard, antigay, creationist Christian right: the National Christian Foundation.


        2008 grants from National Christian Foundation, and subsidiaries

        Focus on The Family: $4,268,000
        Family Research Council: $2,387,000
        The Fellowship Foundation (AKA "The Family" or the "International Foundation"): $515,000
        Lou Engle's The Call: $166,000
        Ed Silvoso's Harvest Evangelism: $817,000
        The Discovery Institute: $702,000*
        Invisible Children: $414,000*

        *NCF's 2008 990 lists $139,000 to IC; NCF subsidiary ProVision Foundation's 2008 990 lists a $150,000 grant to IC; NCF subsidiary ProVision Trust's 2008 990 lists a $125,000 grant to IC.
        *Answers in Genesis, which directly promotes "Young Earth" creationism,received over $35,000 from the NCF in 2008.

    Since it came into existence in 1982, cooked up by canny tax lawyers, the National Christian Foundation--covered in a story by journalist Michael Reynolds published in the December 2005 issue of Mother Jones (extended version of story available here)-- has swollen into a financial behemoth that disperses over 1/2 a billion dollars a year to Christian charities. But not just any Christian charities.

    The NCF, which counts billionaire, controversial Rick Santorum-backer Foster Friess among its donors, funds nonprofits that advance its agenda which, as stated on the NCF website, is to "enable followers of Christ to give wisely to advance His Kingdom".

    (Joining with Foster Friess, as one of the top 2 donors to Rick Santorum's Red, White, and Blue Fund Super-PAC, was Templeton Foundation head Dr. John Templeton, Jr. - who donated $35,000 to Invisible Children in 2007 according to the group's 2007 990.)

    The National Christian Foundation's statement of belief is solidly fundamentalist: "We believe that the entire Bible is the inspired and inerrant Word of God; the only infallible rule of faith and practice." Also stated on NCF's website:

        "Our board members know they are charged with a great responsibility. Their goal is to make certain every dollar that comes to us is ultimately distributed according to our Christian mission"

    2008 wasn't the first year Invisible Children benefited from National Christian Foundation largesse - IC's 2007 990 tax form lists three grants, totaling $350,000, from NCF subsidiary the ProVision Foundation (which is also specifically thanked in IC's 2007 and 2008 annual reports).

    Invisible Children's first filed 990 tax form, for the calender year running from mid 2005 to mid 2006, listed a $30,000 cash donation, IC's biggest cash gift that year, from another fundamentalist granting organization, based in Colorado Springs, called the Christian Community Foundation, Inc. (also known as "Waterstone") 

    In 2009, CCF assets surpassed $138,000,000 and the foundation made over $20,000,000 in grants, including $365,000 to the Family Research Council and $297,000 to Focus on The Family, as well as small grants to Answers in Genesis and the Fellowship Foundation.

    The membership of the Christian Community Foundation, Inc.'s board of directors overlaps with board membership of National Christian Foundation subsidiaries; what this suggests is that, from its first calendar year, Invisible Children had appeared on the radar screen of some of the world's largest Christian fundamentalist grant-making organizations--which apparently deemed Invisible Children to be a worthy investment that would help advance particular visions for establishing God's kingdom on Earth.

    IC was also on the radar screen, judging by his $5,218 donation listed on the Invisible Children 2006 990 tax form, of Philip Anschutz - the reclusive, Colorado-based devout Christian billionaire, dubbed the "stealth media mogul", who was in 2007 worth an estimated $6.7 billion dollars.

    According to journalist Bill Berkowitz, Anschutz has helped fund the Discovery Institute and supported Colorado's 1992 anti-gay marriage Amendment 2. In 2005 Anschutz co-produced, in conjunction with Walt Disney Pictures, the Christian-themed fantasy film "The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe."

    Along with the pro-Proposition 8 Caster Family, another backer specifically thanked in Invisible Children's first yearly report was the Circle Family Foundation, also known as "Malachi 3", a small foundation which funds a stable of ministries including Campus Crusade For Christ, whose founder the late Bill Bright patterned his ministry along the lines of revolutionary communist cell groups.

    Bright, who once declared himself to be "involved in a conspiracy with thousands of others to 'overthrow the world' ", also helped birth the dominionist "Seven Mountains" mandate, which instructs believers to take control of significant sectors of society and culture including: media, arts and entertainment, government, business and finance, the family, religion, and education.

    Talk2Action.org
  • Re: KONY 2012
     Reply #76 - March 13, 2012, 10:53 AM

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    One salient issue the film totally misses is that the actual geography of today's LRA operations is related to a potentially troubling "resource war".


    Isn't the WOT also a resource war?


    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: KONY 2012
     Reply #77 - March 14, 2012, 08:58 PM

    Ugandans react with anger to Kony video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU_1jnrj5VI


    Quote
    Angry and offended

    People I spoke to anticipated seeing a video that showed the world the terrible atrocities that they had suffered during the conflict, and the ongoing struggles they still face trying to rebuild their lives after two lost decades.

    The audience was at first puzzled to see the narrative lead by an American man – Jason Russell – and his young son.

    Towards the end of the film, the mood turned more to anger at what many people saw as a foreign, inaccurate account that belittled and commercialised their suffering, as the film promotes Kony bracelets and other fundraising merchandise, with the aim of making Kony infamous.

    One woman I spoke to made the comparison of selling Osama Bin Laden paraphernalia post 9/11 – likely to be highly offensive to many Americans, however well intentioned the campaign behind it.

    The event ended with the angrier members of the audience throwing rocks and shouting abusive criticism, as the rest fled for safety, leaving an abandoned projector, with organisers and the press running for cover until the dust settled.

    It seems that the while the film has a viral power never seen before in the online community, it did not go down nearly so well with the very people it claims it is meant to help.

    AlJazeera.com
  • Re: KONY 2012
     Reply #78 - March 14, 2012, 11:07 PM

    First, I must say I'm disappointed that IC is seemingly turning into something it wasn't originally. Perhaps there is a change in who's more or less involved now?

    I first heard about it back in 2006, where I think I went to a concert who had a booth set up with two very nice gentlemen who I later became friends with, who were working for IC. Since then I have known two other people who have either personally worked for IC (and under Jason Russell & co in California as interns, etc), or supported the organization very passionately.

    This is why I'm pretty sad to see all this controversy over it. I really feel like they have good intentions and I believed in what they were doing, even though there's always been the critics on the financial side of things. I had a professor express this distaste with IC and when I asked why, she said it's essentially because she didn't believe in their "system" and that these "kids" didn't know how to run a charity. She said that all they care about are the funds, and that more money will = solving problems in Uganda. At that time, I was annoyed with her, maybe I was a bit biased (but not really because I've never been a huge supporter or heavily involved with IC), but it's never looked to me that all they do is raise money. They come up with a lot of different activities and strategies for awareness - I felt that they did study the sociological methods of social work and humanitarian efforts, and they don't want to stop at just Uganda. Obviously, it is not the only suffering country in Africa. And yes, there are a million different kinds of problems in the world - that's always how it is, and I think it makes more sense to specialize in one area then to try to help only a bit everywhere. I can see how someone can think vice versa, but one step at a time imo. It's like if the only thing we thought about was aiding world poverty and hunger, then we would neglect many other issues that seem minor, but have a huge effect on the people suffering - such as podoconiosis - which Toms Shoes came out of.

    So maybe this video came at a "convenient" time for them with the oil found, but I think it's a bit harsh to assume that the founders are sell outs or have bad intentions, especially that they've been doing this for so many years. It could be the case that they're genuine and maybe "misguided" by their Christian leaders... I'd hope that's the worst of it. From all I've seen and heard about them with friends who have personally worked with them, I find it hard to just dismiss IC and everything they're working towards.

    Just my two cents so far... but hey, I haven't done all my research.  Tongue

    And yes, one of the first things I looked into when I learned about them was the shady religious background. I was wondering if they were a Christian organization or not - a common first inquiry - and I chose to believe that it is like they say: They are Christians personally, but the charity is a humanist effort.

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  • Re: KONY 2012
     Reply #79 - March 15, 2012, 11:07 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB1UbbjxNLQ

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  • Re: KONY 2012
     Reply #80 - March 16, 2012, 04:45 PM


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    A co-founder for Invisible Children was detained in Pacific Beach Thursday night for being drunk in public and masturbating, according to San Diego Police Department.
    Jason Russell, 33, was allegedly found masturbating in public, vandalizing cars and possibly under the influence of something, according to Lt. Andra Brown. He was detained at the intersection of Ingraham Street and Riviera Road.

    Brown said Russell was acting very strange.

    Russell is one of the the founders responsible for the "Kony 2012" video that went viral last week. He is described on the organization's website as a co-founder and "our grand storyteller and dreamer." Russell is also described as a Christian and father to two children who wants to have nine more children with his wife he calls his "best friend for over 23 years."


    http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/jason-russell-san-diego-invisible-children-kony-2012-142970255.html

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  • Re: KONY 2012
     Reply #81 - March 16, 2012, 04:51 PM

    ^^Yeah just saw that too Grin

    This one gives a good roundup of the politics behind the scenes...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjD6dLaElxc

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  • Re: KONY 2012
     Reply #82 - March 16, 2012, 05:14 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpuB11d0Gog

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  • Re: KONY 2012
     Reply #83 - March 16, 2012, 06:40 PM



    Gawker has ongoing updates and now, even a video wacko

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  • Re: KONY 2012
     Reply #84 - March 16, 2012, 08:31 PM

    My 2c if this stuff has not been constantly repeated already and better said- From the comments I've been reading like Pep Tit's above and others it seems like the video is a shitty portrayal of IC's approach to activism. They seem to garner a decent amount of respect in the country and not take a Jesus-Savior like approach. However, if this is true, and that's a BIG IF, then the video is the exact opposite of what they're claiming to advocate for.


    Their responses to the criticism seemed pretty sensible and portrayed what should have been in the video and I commend them for even responding. However, they spend the first few paragraphs talking about BBB accreditation and 4-star ratings and shit  Roll Eyes, and something like rehabilitation efforts for the children to educate themselves and find employment and secure a future are at the bottom. The latter seems a tad more important. Instead, in their vid you gotta watch an annoying (albeit cute) 5 year old for the first three minutes  making snow angels and shit:Smiley.


    Seriously, if IC is involved in actually trying to help people and topple systemic inequalities and promote sustainability, then why not put more of this in the video? And what does it say about you that the very people you claim to be helping respond with anger and disappointment to your (mis)representation of their issues and to accuse you of capitalizing on their marginalization? Ironic, considering that IC mentions listening to local people in Uganda about what they want, how to go about things and letting them take on leadership positions.


    Stereotypes act as a big barrier to seeing other people as as human as you are. There are several shitty stereotypes about African people as downtrodden, dumb, in need of saving, can't speak for themselves, helpless, hopeless and are a bunch of people prone to "petty" "inter-tribal fighting" that can't just pway nice.  Roll Eyes People in more privileged countries generally believe these things and they need to be undone in order to get them to actually care. Until then, the only thing you can count on is for people to "care" for a few minutes and move on. It's more about placating your conscience. Not only does this video not address these stereotypes, it entrenches them. For most of these 75 million people to care, they would have to go through the uncomfortable, painful process of realizing that they harbor, negative, dehumanizing prejudices about African peoples, otherwise you run the risk of couching all your actions and words in this context. That helps no one.


    Obviously there are several people and groups that are much more privileged than the people they help, but don't fall into the easy trap of using this privilege as a barrier to effectively aiding them. They don't use this privilege to ironically further the dis-empowerment of those they claim to want to help; and at the very least IC has admitted that the stereotypes have no place within an activist organization. The problem is this negative kind of thinking is common around people that have never even met African people and wouldn't care to and there are many more of them than not.


    As to this Russell guy being arrested to for public masturbation and what-not>> Cheesy. Nice. Not to sure what to think of IC now. My brain is on the fence about them lol.

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  • Re: KONY 2012
     Reply #85 - March 16, 2012, 08:58 PM

    This shit was on CNN just now. He supposedly suffering from malnutrition and exhaustion:

    Quote
    Scores of support groups have sprung up all over the US and the world and a resolution of support for the groups' aims has even been introduced in Congress. The group is planning a day of mass action in protest at Kony for next month that aims to distribute more than a million posters bearing the logo Kony 2012 across the US.

    A brief statement by the group in the wake of Russell's detention said that being at the centre of a massive media storm may have taken its toll. "Jason Russell was unfortunately hospitalised suffering from exhaustion, dehydration and malnutrition. He is now receiving medical care and is focused on getting better," said Invisible Children's chief executive Ben Keesey in the statement.

    "The past two weeks have taken a severe emotional toll on all of us and that toll manifested itself in an unfortunate incident yesterday. Jason's passion and bis work have done so much to help so many and we are are devastated to see him dealing with this personal health issue."


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/16/kony-2012-campaigner-detained

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  • Re: KONY 2012
     Reply #86 - March 16, 2012, 09:01 PM

    LOL Right. Well that's just the official statement from IC. Why should anyone believe it?

    Did you see the video I posted above your last post? That look like someone malnourished to you? What's a 30 something middle-upper class white christian boy doing in san diego being malnourished? Has he been starving himself in solidarity with those poor starving africans? Roll Eyes

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  • Re: KONY 2012
     Reply #87 - March 16, 2012, 09:04 PM


    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: KONY 2012
     Reply #88 - March 16, 2012, 09:08 PM

    I think it's more like he did a bit too much crystal meth or something - y'know to celebrate the multimillionaire he is now due to all those donations and "kits" that well-meaning but very uninformed people have been sending him money for.

    Someone else commented on this Jason Russell wanking off in San Diego story:

    "This guy is a genius! What better way to make your viral video go EVEN MORE viral than to masturbate nude in public? This man will do whatever it takes to get the word out! No one has ever cared about those kids more!"
    -Dusty Smith

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: KONY 2012
     Reply #89 - March 16, 2012, 09:11 PM



    ^^ Cheesy Nice. I wanna make one of these. Yeah, that's why I said supposedly. I was wondering which impoverished nation with food sustainability issues he was in to be malnutritioned. Plus malnutrition does not make one masturbate in public Roll Eyes Grin. Unless that came before.

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