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  • Re: Americans .. Go burn your women but dammit stop burning Quran.. :finmad: :fi
     Reply #90 - February 23, 2012, 09:16 PM

    Speaking of US colonising a country, Liberia is the only country that US officially colonised though its not the govt but the freed American slaves with the help of the American Colonization Society, a private organization that believed ex-slaves would have greater freedom and equality in Africa

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     Reply #91 - February 23, 2012, 09:26 PM

    Speaking of US colonising a country, Liberia is the only country that US officially colonised though its not the govt but the freed American slaves with the help of the American Colonization Society, a private organization that believed ex-slaves would have greater freedom and equality in Africa

    Cato TALK STRAIGHT.. what is that thing  .,

    How those freed slaves made Liberia as a colony of Americans  and why??  Afterall American Blacks were/are  fighting for race equality all the way to 2000 and even till today?   You can not blame Americans for what happened in Liberia,  can you??

    Incidentally Liberian History in Africa is very interesting  ...Liberia is one of only three countries, along with the United States and Burma, that does not officially use the International System of Units.. So it was against That Imperial British all the time.. lol..

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  • Re: Americans .. Go burn your women but dammit stop burning Quran.. :finmad: :fi
     Reply #92 - February 23, 2012, 09:35 PM

    I can't help being amused at Yeez demanding that someone else talk straight. Grin

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  • Re: Americans .. Go burn your women but dammit stop burning Quran.. :finmad: :fi
     Reply #93 - February 23, 2012, 09:49 PM

    I can't help being amused at Yeez demanding that someone else talk straight. Grin

    What??  finmad


    Osama you are DEAD .. Americans Dumped you in Oceans.. So Go to Allah and spend your time there ..  I want to hear from Cato.. not from you..  finmad


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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Americans .. Go burn your women but dammit stop burning Quran.. :finmad: :fi
     Reply #94 - February 23, 2012, 09:49 PM

    Everyone has their own biases and interpretations.


    Yes, but as one can see when comparing the percentage of civilian killings by Loyalist vs. Republican forces, sometimes ideology does matter in armed conflict, not just in terms of ends, but means as well.

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    Personally speaking, I have no quibble with the  IRA being described as having engaged in terrorist acts.


    Okay, but that begs the question-- would you say the same about the British forces in the Troubles? I mean they killed a much higher percentage of civilians 51% than the IRA (20-30% depending on your figuring).

    Oh and if you or anyone else is curious, I did dig up some stats for other parties to armed conflicts, though some of them are my own rough estimates (and of course for some of the longer conflicts the percentage can fluctuate wildly so I just picked the median):

    *Coalition forces in Iraq War: About 60%
    *IDF in Second intifada: 46%
    *Palestinian insurgents in First Intifada: 60% (half of that number were settlers, who are often armed)
    *Palestinian insurgents in Second Intifada: between 80 and 90% (not surprised it's high but I would want to double check those figures, as I'm not sure on the methodology used-- I've seen some pretty badly ideologically-biased numbers artificially inflating the civilian casualties of Palestinian actions before)
    *Coalition forces in Afghan War: About 55%
    *Insurgents in Afghan War: (and this is my own very, VERY rough estimate) 70%
    *Vietnam War: Reliable, hard data is hard to come across, but looks like anywhere between 40 to 55% of total casualties caused by all parties to the conflict were civilian.

    And I'm not gonna look em up, but I'd guess that if you were to research the stats for the Chechen Wars, the Balkan Wars, and the Algerian War the percentages would be even higher on both sides of the conflict than most of what I listed above.

    So if you stack the IRA up to several conventional and insurgent forces in conflicts from today to the last part of the 20th century, on the basis of the number of civilians they killed, the IRA comes out looking the least "terrorist" out of the bunch. You gotta put shit like this in context. No one (besides whacked-out beardos or sectarian ultraleftists) goes around calling British or American soldiers terrorists, even though they kill many more civilians than the IRA did, but it's okay to call IRA terrorists (as an epithet) why exactly?

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    All I will say, is thank god the horror of the troubles are over now (bar occasional dissident acts by rogue and isolated groups) - Northern Ireland's conflict resolution is a genuine ray of light in the bleak world of hateful sectarian conflicts.


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    No mate. Get a dictionary and do some more research.

    Colonisation is not wanting and negotiating for a few places to plonk your shit. That is something you request of the incumbent government and negotiate with them, like any other venture in their country.

    Colonisation is (among other things) imposing your own government over the whole damned country, and not allowing the people of that country to vote in their own bloody government.


    Not to speak for Aphrodite but I believe what she's actually talking about is neo-colonialism.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-colonialism

    Also, speaking only for myself, when I use the term imperialism, although I am not a Leninist, I use the Leninist definition:

    http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/

    Or, rather, more modern variations on it, that take into account the development of neo-colonialism.

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Americans .. Go burn your women but dammit stop burning Quran.. :finmad: :fi
     Reply #95 - February 23, 2012, 09:56 PM

    Ok, but that's still not colonialism per se, and arguably even using the word colonialism in that sense is choosing a deliberately loaded word to reflect one's own bias.

    Realistically, we all know that all nations, and all factions within those nations, are self-interested and will try to promote their own agendas.

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  • Re: Americans .. Go burn your women but dammit stop burning Quran.. :finmad: :fi
     Reply #96 - February 23, 2012, 10:02 PM

    Funny, the person that coined the term "Neocolonialism" was a failed leader,in fact he almost ruined Ghana which lead to a military coup,that person was Kwame Nkrumah.

    Cato TALK STRAIGHT.. what is that thing  .,

    How those freed slaves made Liberia as a colony of Americans  and why??  Afterall American Blacks were/are  fighting for race equality all the way to 2000 and even till today?   You can not blame Americans for what happened in Liberia,  can you??

    Incidentally Liberian History in Africa is very interesting  ...Liberia is one of only three countries, along with the United States and Burma, that does not officially use the International System of Units.. So it was against That Imperial British all the time.. lol..


    Oh boy

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  • Re: Americans .. Go burn your women but dammit stop burning Quran.. :finmad: :fi
     Reply #97 - February 23, 2012, 10:07 PM

    Funny, the person that coined the term "Neocolonialism" was a failed leader,in fact he almost ruined Ghana which lead to a military coup,that person was Kwame Nkrumah.


    Yeah, and his essay was based on Lenin's. One can find numerous faults with both Nkrumah and Lenin as leaders, but that doesn't make their analysis inaccurate.

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Americans .. Go burn your women but dammit stop burning Quran.. :finmad: :fi
     Reply #98 - February 23, 2012, 10:24 PM

    He analysed the problem but failed to solve it instead he was too busy engaging in Pan African activities to actualize his dreams of creating United States of Africa which was elusive.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: Americans .. Go burn your women but dammit stop burning Quran.. :finmad: :fi
     Reply #99 - February 23, 2012, 10:45 PM

    Cue Solara and Aurora to post My Little Pony stuff.


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  • Re: Americans .. Go burn your women but dammit stop burning Quran.. :finmad: :fi
     Reply #100 - February 23, 2012, 10:50 PM

    Fuckin hippie.

    I can't stand the peace and quiet.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzjIJWdKxwY

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Americans .. Go burn your women but dammit stop burning Quran.. :finmad: :fi
     Reply #101 - February 24, 2012, 01:16 AM

    No, Aphrodite.  You have to be on a flight of fantasy to believe that Afghanistan has any natural resources worth the pain in the fucking arse it currently is.


    Aphrodite  your posts are incoherent ., what gas resources are you talking?? America need gas from Afghanistan??   Where do they have gas??  America need minerals from Afghanistan??

    Aphrodite is on the right track. Go girl. Youse people ever heard of the TAPI pipeline. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Afghanistan_Pipeline
    The/some Americans even invited the Taliban over to the States to negotiate the deal pre-9-11. So it may not have gas reserves but is very important in the transit of gas.


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  • Re: Americans .. Go burn your women but dammit stop burning Quran.. :finmad: :fi
     Reply #102 - February 24, 2012, 01:29 AM

    Aphrodite  your posts are incoherent ., what gas resources are you talking?? America need gas from Afghanistan??   Where do they have gas??  America need minerals from Afghanistan??

    Aphrodite is on the right track. Go girl. Youse people ever heard of the TAPI pipeline. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Afghanistan_Pipeline
    The/some Americans even invited the Taliban over to the States to negotiate the deal pre-9-11. So it may not have gas reserves but is very important in the transit of gas.



    I know all that about TAPI.. DOPI lines  advokatE.. So what does America gets out that Pipeline?? .. How much gas How many trillion dollars??

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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Americans .. Go burn your women but dammit stop burning Quran.. :finmad: :fi
     Reply #103 - February 24, 2012, 01:30 AM

    No mate. Get a dictionary and do some more research.

    Colonisation is not wanting and negotiating for a few places to plonk your shit. That is something you request of the incumbent government and negotiate with them, like any other venture in their country.

    Colonisation is (among other things) imposing your own government over the whole damned country, and not allowing the people of that country to vote in their own bloody government.


    I should have put the word negotiating in quote marks earlier, because the US negotiating with Karzai is like a wrestler negotiating with a kid, its kinda one sided. A govt. was imposed on the country and the people aren't allowed to vote. The elections were fraudulent as fuck.  

    So, by claiming the US/NATO wants to colonise Afghanistan you are engaging in inaccurate and highly inflammatory rhetoric, given the history of the region. Not only that, but earlier in the thread you wanted to phrase the situation in racist terms ("filthy brown people", etc). It sounds to me like someone wants to whip a nice little rahowa*. I can see that going well for the country. Tongue

    I suggest you be more discerning about whose rhetoric you take on board without analysis. Wink

    Oh and on the subject of Pashtun representation, there have been Pashtun political parties in Afghanistan recently. It's just the Taliban itself which is currently banned from parliament. There is nothing stopping Pashtuns from having political representation if they can organise it.

    *rahowa is a white supremacist acronym for "racial holy war".


    The people see it as colonialism and are fighting it now like they have done in the past. They don't care about your definitions at all  Tongue As for the racist terms, if I want to call myself a filthy brown person, I will. If you find it offensive ban me or whatever, I don't care.  What are these parties called? And if they do enter parliament then they become a threat to the power holders who have their own militias--which are being expanded by the talk of the US negotiating with "terrorists"  Smiley

    Hey, if you can see white supremacist conspiracies everywhere, I can see ISI conspiracies everywhere. Cheesy



    When did I mention anything about white supremacist conspiracies?

    Excuse me? This is the same group that, very recently, only agreed to stop bombing schools if the curriculum was changed to suit exactly what they wanted.

    Do you think a group that reserves the right to bomb schools if they don't like the curriculum is tolerant? Would you call any group other than the Taliban "tolerant' if they had the same policy?


    Read what I said, I never said they were tolerant. I said they're not as intolerant as they were  Tongue

    Fair enough on hopeful. Would you bet the lives of young Afghan women on it though? Because they have to bet their lives on it. Think about that, please. How would you explain your position to an Afghan woman your age who wants a better life?


    No I wouldn't bet their lives on it. Its not like they live a very good life now is it? Had NATO spent 10% of what they have on bombs and stuff on school and healthcare, Afghanistan wouldn't be in the shit it is. Sharia law still exists, violence against women is still common and so on. Bleh.

    I would agree with that, except for the bolded part. Why would who be an important factor? Shouldn't the reasons and results be the important things?

    Next question: do you think it is ever even theoretically possible for western forces to do any sort of good, or do they always have horns and tails? grin12


    Who matters because some people are very prideful and might not want the help of people they don't particularly like Smiley

    Ermm yes, the problem isn't with the forces themselves, its the thugs in suits that control them.
  • Re: Americans .. Go burn your women but dammit stop burning Quran.. :finmad: :fi
     Reply #104 - February 24, 2012, 01:32 AM

    Not to speak for Aphrodite but I believe what she's actually talking about is neo-colonialism.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-colonialism



    Same shit, different smell.
  • Re: Americans .. Go burn your women but dammit stop burning Quran.. :finmad: :fi
     Reply #105 - February 24, 2012, 01:46 AM

    I should have put the word negotiating in quote marks earlier, because the US negotiating with Karzai is like a wrestler negotiating with a kid, its kinda one sided. A govt. was imposed on the country and the people aren't allowed to vote. The elections were fraudulent as fuck.

    Karzai still doesn't have to agree to everything. The US wants out. They aren't going to hang around indefinitely just because there's a chance they might get a base or two out of it. Being there is costing them a lot, and not just in financial terms. Every other fucker wants out too.

    Yes, I know the government was imposed in a sense, but there are elections and people do still get to vote in them. If there is fraud that's a bugger, but it's still a government of Afghans innit. Take it up with them.


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    The people see it as colonialism and are fighting it now like they have done in the past. They don't care about your definitions at all  Tongue

    Yeah but I do, and you're discussing it with me, so Tongue yerself.


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    ]As for the racist terms, if I want to call myself a filthy brown person, I will. If you find it offensive ban me or whatever, I don't care.

    Oh sure, you can call yourself anything you like. What I mean is that you were making an assumption that any deaths of Afghans are being caused by white racism, which I don't think is the case.


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    What are these parties called? And if they do enter parliament then they become a threat to the power holders who have their own militias--which are being expanded by the talk of the US negotiating with "terrorists"  Smiley

    Look 'em up yourself. Point is that the only Pashtun party that is currently banned is the Taliban itself. There's nothing stopping Pashtuns from starting a dozen parties if they like.


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    Read what I said, I never said they were tolerant. I said they're not as intolerant as they were  Tongue

    Not saying much, eh? grin12


    Quote
    No I wouldn't bet their lives on it. Its not like they live a very good life now is it? Had NATO spent 10% of what they have on bombs and stuff on school and healthcare, Afghanistan wouldn't be in the shit it is. Sharia law still exists, violence against women is still common and so on. Bleh.

    Yeah I know, but that's hardly the fault of westerners, since most westerners are trying to stop all of that.

    And there has been foreign money spent of reconstruction, etc. Lots of it, donated from several countries. Mostly, the stuff it gets spent on is blown up by the Taliban. Tongue

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  • Re: Americans .. Go burn your women but dammit stop burning Quran.. :finmad: :fi
     Reply #106 - February 24, 2012, 01:47 AM

    Sorry wasn't ignoring you, just missed your post.

    No, Aphrodite.  You have to be on a flight of fantasy to believe that Afghanistan has any natural resources worth the pain in the fucking arse it currently is.  


    I don't know how much has been spent on the Afghanistan war but there's a lot of minerals in Afghanistan, at least $1 trillion.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/world/asia/14minerals.html?pagewanted=all

    Maybe its not worth it now, but I think someone did in late 2001  Wink


    As for the military border with China, please.  This is not the 1980s, who gives a shit about military threats from China?  Economic threats, yes - but keeping a standing army in Afghanistan at huge expense to the US govt is hardly helping the west in that competition.


    Are you serious? The US just decided to expand its military in the asia-pacific region, I don't think they that for no reason, do you?
    Nor do I, but I am realistic enough to know which of the above groups are likely to take over an independent Afghanistan.  Hint- it won't be feminists or human rights activists.  


    Agreed, but does that justify an occupation? If human rights activists and feminists had a voice in Afghanistan today, then yes maybe the occupation could be justified in a weird sort of way, but they don't. At least the soviets did something right by totally banning the religious element, NATO doesn't give a fuck how the govt. treats its people as long as they remain loyal servants to their policies its all good, just like Saudi.

    Then why do you want an independent Afghanistan?


    Because a free nation state is better than an occupied one? Tongue
  • Re: Americans .. Go burn your women but dammit stop burning Quran.. :finmad: :fi
     Reply #107 - February 24, 2012, 01:48 AM

    Same shit, different smell.


    Unfucking believable Aphrodite. I remember osmanthus posting on the random facts thread about words that you come across for the first and suddenly come across it soon after in quick succession. I think this phenomena was called Munich something?

    Well, I heard same shit, different smell for the first time today! And now again. (okay it is a phrase, not a word, but you know what I mean. My same shit line, ends with different decade. takes account of my time spent on this earth.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Americans .. Go burn your women but dammit stop burning Quran.. :finmad: :fi
     Reply #108 - February 24, 2012, 01:49 AM

    If human rights activists and feminists had a voice in Afghanistan today, then yes maybe the occupation could be justified in a weird sort of way, but they don't.

    They are trying to get one though. Wink

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  • Re: Americans .. Go burn your women but dammit stop burning Quran.. :finmad: :fi
     Reply #109 - February 24, 2012, 05:04 AM

    Same shit, different smell.


    Yeah,except some of the third world countries(especially Africa) brought it upon themselves via debt from World Bank and IMF which the Govt officials embezzled instead of spending the loans appropriately.they have themselves to blame.  

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

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  • Re: Americans .. Go burn your women but dammit stop burning Quran.. :finmad: :fi
     Reply #110 - February 24, 2012, 02:39 PM

    Yes, I know the government was imposed in a sense, but there are elections and people do still get to vote in them. If there is fraud that's a bugger, but it's still a government of Afghans innit. Take it up with them.


    As long as there is an occupation, the responsibility of the nation, its govt. (which they hand-picked) is with NATO, once they leave then I'll blame Afghans. Its like Iraq, any problems there cannot be blamed on the US any more, coz they were told to GTFO.

    Oh sure, you can call yourself anything you like. What I mean is that you were making an assumption that any deaths of Afghans are being caused by white racism, which I don't think is the case.


    That's not what I meant -_- I do believe that being brown and muslim usually means you're more likely to be dehumanised making war seem more 'acceptable' .

    Yeah I know, but that's hardly the fault of westerners, since most westerners are trying to stop all of that. And there has been foreign money spent of reconstruction, etc. Lots of it, donated from several countries. Mostly, the stuff it gets spent on is blown up by the Taliban. Tongue



    Yes most want it to stop but the ones who can actually do something about it aren't really bothered. Most of that aid is lost to corruption. And yes a lot of it is blown up by the Taliban, but even if they weren't blowing shit up, the country would still be a shithole, judging from Kabul that is.
  • Re: Americans .. Go burn your women but dammit stop burning Quran.. :finmad: :fi
     Reply #111 - February 24, 2012, 02:46 PM

    Yeah,except some of the third world countries(especially Africa) brought it upon themselves via debt from World Bank and IMF which the Govt officials embezzled instead of spending the loans appropriately.they have themselves to blame.  


    Yes, at the end of the day its the people who accepted corrupt politicians. But hey even when do protest and oust the regime, like in Egypt you still end up with a military junta picking politicians who want IMF loans  Roll Eyes The solution might be to just bomb the HQ of the IMF, UN, world bank and every other international organisation. I'm kidding, I think.
  • Re: Americans .. Go burn your women but dammit stop burning Quran.. :finmad: :fi
     Reply #112 - February 24, 2012, 03:14 PM

    I am quite tired of your jibber jabber non-sense, just be upfront and admit your a Pakistani applogist.

    Secondly, Pakistan has wanted "A ISLAMIST" government who is PRO "PAKISTAN" not Pashtun, if you had any knowledge at all, and stopped being the loonytoon here, you would know that, Pakistan used the very same Tajiks to overthrow the Pashtun Nationalist government of President Daud Khan.

    Where was your Pakistani support for a Pashtun majority government then eh?

    You see, Pakistan is a virus, its a parasite, Aphrodite is the good example of how even liberal Pakistanis are pushing for the Islamists to rule over Afghanistan by pulling out the Pashtun card, my dear love, the Islamists were in power in Pakhtunkhwa once, but they lost the vote to the Secular ANP nationalists, so your whole "my family links to Taliban " blah blah blah is just trash talk love.

    Pakistanis are pushing for a radical Islamist government in Afghanistan to secure its interests and its Anti Indian forces to be intact and protected in Afghanistan, and I find it quite appaling and insulting that as a Pashtun, I am being smeared and mis represented by this Aphrodite character who is on a ex-muslim forum spewing vile pro Taliban Pro Pakistani propaganda.

    Let me school you kid, when there was no Communist/Communism in Afghanistan, Pakistan was arming the likes of Ahmad Shah Masood and Rabbani at the Cherat Army base near Peshawar, the Peshawar seven were born, with the inclusion of Hekmatyar, for what purpose were they made missy know it all about Pashtuns?Huh???

    It was made to secure a Islamist government headed by the Jamait Islami led by Rabbani at the time to prevent the spread of Pashtun Nationalism which is secular too to spread into Pakhtunkhwa and Afghanistan as a whole.

    When Afghanistan started to let go of its backwardness, it was the very same Pakistani Zia ul Haq who stated that without Pakistan you cant meddle in Afghanistan to the Americans, your Pakistanis brought the Yankes into the region to exploit the situation and make dollars out of it.

    Now the hand that feeds you has turned on you, now even liberals of Pakistani "origin" are declaring their closet support for the Taliban.

    Missy goody two shoes, go and live under the Taliban, I am sure you will love it, this is my problem with Pakistan, even Benazir Bhutto herself, was involved in the creation of the Taliban, she preached womens rights in her Sindh and Punjab but opposite in Afghanistan.

    Always remmeber this, Pakistan occupies Afghanistan land which was stolen by the British and handed over to thir loyal subjects in the Punjab....Militant Islam is a counter attack idelogy against the Pashtun Nationalism.

    Plus I would be grateful if you could also educate us on the number of Punjabi Islamist groups who have joined the Taliban, or the Uzbek Islamists from the IMU and Tajik militants from Tajikistan who have terrorized the whole Pashtun tribal region with no concern shown from Pakistan.

    Like I say, Pakistan is a terrorist Islamist supporting parasite!
  • Re: Americans .. Go burn your women but dammit stop burning Quran.. :finmad: :fi
     Reply #113 - February 24, 2012, 03:19 PM

    That's a bit harshly-worded dude. It's not that uncommon for people to be biased and sympathetic (or soft) towards unsavoury groups that claim to represent them or their tribe, especially in a very close-knitted tribe like the Pashtun.

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  • Re: Americans .. Go burn your women but dammit stop burning Quran.. :finmad: :fi
     Reply #114 - February 24, 2012, 03:39 PM

    Always remmeber this, Pakistan occupies Afghanistan land which was stolen by the British and handed over to thir loyal subjects in the Punjab....Militant Islam is a counter attack idelogy against the Pashtun Nationalism.


    This is something I read once. Pakistan doesn't want to control Afghanistan because of India, she wants to control Afghanistan because she is frightened of Pashtun nationalism. Pashtun nationalism would mean claims for the Pashtun parts of Pakistan to be reincorporated into Afghanistan. Also, Pakistanis are scared of Afghans / Pashtuns in general for historical reasons of invasion.

    Any truth in that?

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  • Re: Americans .. Go burn your women but dammit stop burning Quran.. :finmad: :fi
     Reply #115 - February 24, 2012, 03:45 PM

    I am quite tired of your jibber jabber


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  • Re: Americans .. Go burn your women but dammit stop burning Quran.. :finmad: :fi
     Reply #116 - February 24, 2012, 04:40 PM

    Sorry wasn't ignoring you, just missed your post.

    I think you might have missed mine grin12.
    Well, for me, “nation state” means having one state for each people, and that's just the opposite of what was imposed on them. What do you think would be better : to manage to get a state with all the different groups cohabiting in peace, or to split Afghanistan into several countries ? Or maybe even another solution ?

    Thanks for the links, by the way. I don't know if people are more informed about that issue in the Anglo-Saxon media, but I never even heard of that “Eikenberry rule” before.

  • Re: Americans .. Go burn your women but dammit stop burning Quran.. :finmad: :fi
     Reply #117 - February 24, 2012, 04:44 PM

    This is something I read once. Pakistan doesn't want to control Afghanistan because of India, she wants to control Afghanistan because she is frightened of Pashtun nationalism. Pashtun nationalism would mean claims for the Pashtun parts of Pakistan to be reincorporated into Afghanistan. Also, Pakistanis are scared of Afghans / Pashtuns in general for historical reasons of invasion.

    Any truth in that?


    Here when you say Pakistan/Pakistanis  you are only referring to Ruling Elite from Punjab, Pakistan  Power house The Mullah/Army Ruling elite. This power house includes  Mullahs  +Those who came from India   and were/are in power + Punjabi Army chiefs ..

    The problem in Pakistan since the MURDER of that [ur=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liaquat_Ali_Khan]first Prime minster[/url]  is Centralized power structure that is built by Islam/Army/Mullahs/Politicians  and giving very little importance to the diverse groups/languages/religions with in-Islam  

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Americans .. Go burn your women but dammit stop burning Quran.. :finmad: :fi
     Reply #118 - February 24, 2012, 05:19 PM

    I am quite tired of your jibber jabber non-sense, just be upfront and admit your a Pakistani applogist.



    No.

    Secondly, Pakistan has wanted "A ISLAMIST" government who is PRO "PAKISTAN" not Pashtun, if you had any knowledge at all, and stopped being the loonytoon here, you would know that, Pakistan used the very same Tajiks to overthrow the Pashtun Nationalist government of President Daud Khan.


    I agree with the bold part. As for Daud Khan, afaik Pakistan had nothing to do with the Saur revolution.

    You see, Pakistan is a virus, its a parasite, Aphrodite is the good example of how even liberal Pakistanis are pushing for the Islamists to rule over Afghanistan by pulling out the Pashtun card.


    Yes it is a parasite, and I no longer consider myself Pakistan. I am a parasite thought, who isn't?  grin12

    Pakistanis are pushing for a radical Islamist government in Afghanistan to secure its interests and its Anti Indian forces to be intact and protected in Afghanistan, and I find it quite appaling and insulting that as a Pashtun, I am being smeared and mis represented by this Aphrodite character who is on a ex-muslim forum spewing vile pro Taliban Pro Pakistani propaganda.


    How do you know all Pakistanis are pushing for a radical Islamist govt?  Roll Eyes LOL, was Pakistan securing its interests and imposing a govt. on Afghanistan when Pashtun lashkars went into Kashmir to fight India?  whistling2 When was the last time you went into Pakhtunkhwa? Whether you like it or not the Taliban have enough influence amongst their own pashtuns to be in the position they are in today.

    Let me school you kid, when there was no Communist/Communism in Afghanistan, Pakistan was arming the likes of Ahmad Shah Masood and Rabbani at the Cherat Army base near Peshawar, the Peshawar seven were born, with the inclusion of Hekmatyar, for what purpose were they made missy know it all about Pashtuns?Huh???


    The peshawar seven were born like half way through the soviet war, no commies?  Roll Eyes

    When Afghanistan started to let go of its backwardness, it was the very same Pakistani Zia ul Haq who stated that without Pakistan you cant meddle in Afghanistan to the Americans, your Pakistanis brought the Yankes into the region to exploit the situation and make dollars out of it.


    Oh please, the first acts of resistance were done by Afghans (without any foreign help) the Americans saw it as an opportunity to give the soviets a vietnam experience and did so with the help of Saudi and Pak intelligence.

    Now the hand that feeds you has turned on you, now even liberals of Pakistani "origin" are declaring their closet support for the Taliban.


    It certainly has turned on them.

    Missy goody two shoes, go and live under the Taliban, I am sure you will love it, this is my problem with Pakistan, even Benazir Bhutto herself, was involved in the creation of the Taliban, she preached womens rights in her Sindh and Punjab but opposite in Afghanistan.


    I've lived with my family most of my life, they're like an evolution of the Taliban. And I've spent the past two summers in and around Peshawar, I'm going again during the easter holidays  Smiley Fuck Benazir Bhutto, she never did anything for women in Pakistan either, she kept the hudood laws, bitch.

    Always remmeber this, Pakistan occupies Afghanistan land which was stolen by the British and handed over to thir loyal subjects in the Punjab....Militant Islam is a counter attack idelogy against the Pashtun Nationalism.


    Kinda agree.

    Plus I would be grateful if you could also educate us on the number of Punjabi Islamist groups who have joined the Taliban, or the Uzbek Islamists from the IMU and Tajik militants from Tajikistan who have terrorized the whole Pashtun tribal region with no concern shown from Pakistan.

    Like I say, Pakistan is a terrorist Islamist supporting parasite!


    Many of the punjab/kashmiri based militant groups have gone into the border regions to commit terrorist attacks. I mentioned one earlier where they blew up shia worshippers in Afghanistan. Most of the uzbek and tajik militants have concentrated on attacks in Afghanistan, Pakistan only bothers with them when they do it on the other side of the durand line  Tongue Its part of their double handed policy--fight Islamists that don't serve your interests whilst back those who do.
  • Re: Americans .. Go burn your women but dammit stop burning Quran.. :finmad: :fi
     Reply #119 - February 24, 2012, 05:22 PM

    Well, for me, “nation state” means having one state for each people, and that's just the opposite of what was imposed on them. What do you think would be better : to manage to get a state with all the different groups cohabiting in peace, or to split Afghanistan into several countries ? Or maybe even another solution ?

    Thanks for the links, by the way. I don't know if people are more informed about that issue in the Anglo-Saxon media, but I never even heard of that “Eikenberry rule” before.


    To me it means being identified by where you were born. Many different people of different tribes and backgrounds were basically forced to live with one or another or were split up. The Kashmiris (India/Pakistan) Pashtuns (Pakistan/Afghanistan) Sunni Arabs (Iraq/Syria/Jordan) were all split up and its probably the same in Africa. I don't know what the best solution is.
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