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  • 'Arabs preferred over other nations'
     OP - February 16, 2012, 09:24 PM


    "It is obligatory on a Muslim to believe that Arabs are preferred over other nations because there is a proof for it"


    Its all a scam, isn't it? The whole thing from top to bottom.

    From Sunni Path:


    ++++++


    Arabs preferred over other nations

    Answered by Shaykh Amjad Rasheed
    Translated by Ustadha Shazia Ahmad

    Question:

    I saw in the chapter of suitability of marriage that Allah has chosen Arabs over others. The outer purport of this hadith contradicts the sunna, can you explain?


    Answer:


    The fact that Allah Most High has chosen the Arabs over other nations is affirmed in rigorously authenticated hadiths of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and give him peace; related by Bukhari and Muslim in their "Sahih" in the beginning of the chapter of merits, # 5897, on the authority of Wathilah ibn al-Asqa` who said, "I heard the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, say, 'Verily Allah has chosen Kinanah from the son of Isma`il, and He has chosen Quraysh from among Kinanah and He has chosen Hashim from among Quraysh and He has chosen me from the Bani Hashim.'"

    So this hadith is a primary text about the preference of Arabs over others and the preference of some Arabs over other Arabs. And this is what the Imams have chosen from the.........of their books, and even in individual books such as the book of Qurb about the merit of Arabs, authored by the great Imam al-Hafiz Zayn al-din al-`Iraqi. And it was summarized by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Hajar al-Haytami and others.

    Therefore the preference of Arabs over other nations, and the preference of some Arabs over other Arabs is affirmed in the Sacred Law. Allah has even preferred some months over other months and some days and nights of over others, as well as places. So in the same way, Allah Glorious and Exalted is He, has chosen some men over others, such as the prophets over others and even some prophets over other prophets. Muslims should not have any objection to this, because all of this returns to the wisdom of the Most Wise, Glorious is He, who is not asked about what He does, but rather, they are the ones who are asked. So after a Muslim has believed in Allah as his Lord, the Truth, and that there is no God but Him, then he should know that this is from among His matters, Blessed and High is He, and there is nothing but magnificent wisdom in it that we might see or that we might not see. Either way, we are only responsible for submitting to His rule, Glorious is He. And among His rulings is that Arabs are preferred over others and that some Arabs are better than other Arabs, as the above hadith clearly explained. So it is not appropriate for anyone to disagree in this when the proof is perfectly valid.

    And there should be no disagreement in what has just preceded nor any disagreement in what appears in the Magnificent Book and in the sunna where we find that the real source of Allah's preference is God-fearingness (taqwa) which result in the good deeds that people earn and that they are accounted for. So whoever sends forth good for himself, Allah has preferred him over those who have sent forth evil. As for the preference of an Arab over a non-Arab, and the preference of some Arabs over others, this is not a deed that one can earn. Rather, it is a bounty that Allah gives to whom He wills. So he may will something for these people, and there is no objection to your Lord's rule. This is like the preference of some days over others, because the mind reasons that all days are the same in and of themselves, and there is no distinction that might appear between them. However, the mind can understand why something is better if there is not ........... So the Sacred law came and affirmed the preference of some over others, and for some of those things there were reasons and wisdoms, such as the preference of the night of Power over others because the Majestic Qur'an was revealed during it. And in some of these things, the wisdom is not apparent to us and so this falls into the chapter of absolute obedience, such as the number of cycles (rak`ahs) in the prayer.

    It is obligatory on a Muslim to believe that Arabs are preferred over other nations because there is a proof for it. However, this is not one of the pillars of our religion such that if someone rejected this, they would be considered outside of Islam. But if one does reject this, one has sinned for not believing in it because it is an affirmed matter according to a clear rigorously authenticated hadith. Also, this issue is not something that is commonly known among most Muslims, so for this, one should not hasten to blame one who disagrees with it. It is necessary, rather, to tell him about the issue.

    And the fact that Arabs are preferred over others does not mean that a non-Arab can not have a higher merit in the religion than an Arab, because a person earns the good deeds that Allah has recommended we compete for. This is the highest merit of God-fearingness and this will be the basis upon which things are decided in the hereafter. However, the merit of the Arabs will still remain, in terms of their respect and exaltation being higher than others. And from this some hadiths have come to us about the Quraysh being put first for the caliphate before others, such as the hadith in Bukhari (#3500) on the authority of Mu`awiyah, may Allah be well pleased with him who said, " I heard the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, say, 'This matter of government belongs to the Quraysh. Anyone who takes a hostile attitude to them will be thrown on his face, as long as they are true to the faith." And Bukhari also related (#3501) on the authority of Ibn `Umar from the Prophet, may Allah bless him and give him peace, that he said, "Government continues to belong to the Quraysh, even if they are (no more than) two."

    So I say that the merit of God-fearingness is what counts, according to the rigorously authenticated hadith, "And he who is slow in doing good deeds, his noble lineage will not quicken him (into entering Paradise)


    http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=9427&CATE=1



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: 'Arabs preferred over other nations'
     Reply #1 - February 16, 2012, 09:30 PM

    I never heard of that one before. All the Imams I've seen preach that all Muslims are equal under Allah's eyes. So what do Muslims have to say in response to this? Just that these Hadiths are not true?
  • Re: 'Arabs preferred over other nations'
     Reply #2 - February 16, 2012, 09:46 PM


    Its a pick and mix thing, isn't it? They say that Islam says whatever they want it to say, and someone can whip out a ruling like this to justify a racial supremacy. Mo received 'convenient' revelations just in the nick of time to justify himself, didn't he? Its an ad hoc thing.

    This can be challenged, but it does point to a chauvinism within part of the ummah.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: 'Arabs preferred over other nations'
     Reply #3 - February 16, 2012, 09:51 PM

    You're right, the "moderate" Muslims will just re-interpret something in the Quran and say that since the Hadith contradicts the Quran it's not true or some other bullshit like that.
  • Re: 'Arabs preferred over other nations'
     Reply #4 - February 16, 2012, 10:07 PM

    Three steps:

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    It is obligatory on a Muslim to believe that Arabs are preferred over other nations because there is a proof for it.

     

    Clear enough. All Muslims must believe in the supremacy of Arabs (the Arab nation) over all others.

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    However, this is not one of the pillars of our religion such that if someone rejected this, they would be considered outside of Islam.


    OK. Not one of the pillars. Doesn't put you entirely beyond the pale if you reject it.

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    But if one does reject this, one has sinned for not believing in it because it is an affirmed matter according to a clear rigorously authenticated hadith.


    So whilst its not an takfir matter, it is certainly a sin to reject or question it.


    See how the mechanism of 'logic' works for this kind of ad hoc nonsense?

    He actually says that it is a sin to not accept the superiority of Arabs. Sure, its not something that puts you beyond the pale of Islam, but its still a sin. Its just prejudice compounded with the most perverse bullying intimidation backed up with divine sanction and fear of that divine sanction.

    Its constructed in such a way to pre-empt any questioning of it by a Muslim who disagrees.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: 'Arabs preferred over other nations'
     Reply #5 - February 16, 2012, 10:19 PM

    Chosen people envy is a terrible thing.
  • Re: 'Arabs preferred over other nations'
     Reply #6 - February 16, 2012, 10:57 PM

    Chosen people envy is a terrible thing.

    yap.. chosen to foo  fools   .,   Chosen intellectual heroes of Islam trying to fool Arabs in Arabian peninsula and foolish Muslims/converted Muslims who trying to learn Islam from Arab teachers..

    Here are these guys from that website of

    "Therefore the preference of Arabs over other nations, and the preference of some Arabs over other Arabs is affirmed in the Sacred Law."
    .,

    Hmm Let us first learn about THOSE ARABS teaching there..

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    Shaykh Qays Arthur:  He teaches Understanding Islam.,  7 weeks online /125$., and he is a native of Guyana with a mixed ancestral heritage, Ustadh Qays Arthur's commitment to education began in his country where after preliminary studies there and in the Middle East, he taught in mosques across the country, directed education programs, and worked with various interfaith and non-governmental organizations. Leaving to pursue more intensive study overseas, Ustadh Qays now brings his knowledge, passion, and sincerity to the courses he teaches for Qibla. Concurrently, he regularly attends classes of Fiqh, Aqidah, and Arabic in Amman, where he lives with his family.

    (Hmmm.. THAT RASCAL IS NO ARAB)., he should be disqualified from teaching Islam in Arabic..

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    Dr. Ashraf Muneeb: Dr. Ashraf formally began his Shari'a studies in Damascus in 1997, and graduated with honors from the Mahad al-Fath in 2003, as well as privately studied several books in methodology & Hanafi fiqh with Shaykh Hassan al-Hindi; Hanafi fiqh, hadith and hadith sciences with Shaykh Adnan Darwish; Hanafi fiqh with Shaykh Abdul Rahman Arjan; tenets of faith with Shaykh Mustafa al-Turkmani; hadith with Dr. Nureddin al-'Itr; and hadith sciences with Shaykh Bassam al-Hamzawi. Later in Amman, he completed studying inheritance law with Shaykh Ali Hani.

    In 2006, he received his MA in Islamic Studies (Problems in Family Law for Muslims in the United States) with honors from Imam al-Ouzai, Beirut, and in 2008, his PhD with distinction in Islamic Studies (Effects of Family Law on Muslims in the United States). With his wife, Hedaya Hartford, he has co-authored Your Islamic Marriage Contract; a critical edition and commentary of Risala al-Birgivi in Arabic; and Birgivi's Manual Interpreted in English.  Dr. Ashraf was recognized in 2010 as a certified Shariah auditor and advisor by the Accounting and Auditing Organization for Islamic Financial Institutions (AAOIFI). This is the highest certificate given by AAOIFI, the most notable authority in the field of Islamic finance. He served as the Academic Director of the Qasid Institute for Classical Arabic in Amman from 2004-2007. He currently lives in Amman, where he is studying Hanafi fiqh with Shaykh Ahmad al-Jammal and teaching local courses.

     I see he is imported from US of A ., So has American Arabic pH. D and MA., Why?? there are no Islamic institutions in Arab Desert??   This fellow is fooling people .. HIS AMERICAN ISLAMIC DEGREE IS NOT VALID.. rascal...  teaches "The Divine Plan: Knowing Allah Through Life's Difficulties"  5 Weeks 125$

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    Shaykh Sohail Hanif":  Shaykh Sohail Hanif is one of our best-loved scholars, whose kindness, sincerity, good humour and warmth resonate through all his teachings. Having spent most of his life in England and the Middle East, he is well-equipped with deep religious knowledge as well as sensitivity towards the modern context. He brings to his lessons a profound love for Allah and His Messenger, peace be upon him, and is a very patient instructor—no question is trivial, and every student is valued.

    Shaykh Sohail taught Arabic grammar at the Qasid Institute of Arabic language in Amman for five years, where he was also the head of the sciences section of the Classical Arabic department. At Qibla, his focus is tafsir, fiqh, and methodology. Shaykh Sohail currently lives in Amman, where he is continuing his studies.

    he spent most of his time in England??  how the hell is he teaching Islam in Arabic??  fooling innocent people cutting some jokes around??   my man teaches "Islamic Law and its sources" for 125 dollars..  I am sure he has LAW degree from LONDON LAW COLLEGE OF ISLAM ., a one bed room college...

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    Ustadh Sulayman Muhammad Shahnawaz is known to infuse warmth, humor, and a high level of excellence in his teaching. The combination of his gentle character and deep understanding of the Arabic language makes him the perfect instructor of beginning Arabic students, providing them with a solid foundation in the language.

    Born in the UK and a graduate with Honors in Middle Eastern Studies (Arabic and Persian Language) from the University of Manchester in 1996,  

    well  there are some from Jordan but I am  sure they are from Israel/Palestine  preaching Islam in Jordan..    Funny no one is from Pakistan.. So Students from Pakistan should NOT GO THERE to learn their islam


       Here is US of A toll free number .,    some of you guys should call them and have fun  +1 855 MY-QIBLA (US Toll Free)  don't forget to record the calls and hare in the forum

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: 'Arabs preferred over other nations'
     Reply #7 - February 16, 2012, 11:01 PM


    Snake oil salesmen the lot of them!


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: 'Arabs preferred over other nations'
     Reply #8 - February 16, 2012, 11:07 PM

    Snake oil salesmen the lot of them!



     well some those courses 4 weeks INTENSE TRAINING for 1100 dollars  and all these males  teach about..

    Quote
    Menses & Women's Questions

    Sexual Intimacy

    Marriage, Family & Divorce


    Daily Ramadan Message


    that is what they teach.. that is where there expertise lies..  that is what their web site says..


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: 'Arabs preferred over other nations'
     Reply #9 - February 16, 2012, 11:10 PM

    There's a saying of the second Caliph Umar ibn khattab that my uncle told me about, something about him saying the Arabs were the lowliest of people but then had glory and power because of Islam and if they seek glory in anything other than Islam they will become degraded again.


    Slightly off-topic: The men who came up with the Baathist/Arab socialist ideology were secular non-Muslims, who didn't believe in Islam as a religion but believed it was part of the Arab identity and saw it as something that united the Arabs.

    "The Arabs conquered the world in order to civilize it and for that vision they sacrificed their lives... They spread their rule from the Chinese Wall to the Atlantic Ocean and from the center of Europe to the center of Africa... One caliph, one law, one official language."

    ---Zaki al-Arsuzi

    Sounds almost Islamist.

    The likes of Nasser and Saddam used Islam for political purposes. Nasser used Al-Azhar to rally support for his anti-Zionist stance, Saddam used Islam and Arab nationalism against the Iranian shias by banning shia rituals in Iraq.
  • Re: 'Arabs preferred over other nations'
     Reply #10 - February 16, 2012, 11:38 PM

    Snake oil salesmen the lot of them!




     Cheesy  Hey I bought some snake oil from a pharmacist when I was in Egypt recently.  I really did, and good stuff it is too, lol.  dance

    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: 'Arabs preferred over other nations'
     Reply #11 - February 16, 2012, 11:40 PM

    Forget Arabs, it's all about the Ashkenazi Jews.

    Against the ruin of the world, there
    is only one defense: the creative act.

    -- Kenneth Rexroth
  • Re: 'Arabs preferred over other nations'
     Reply #12 - February 17, 2012, 01:43 AM

    Thanks billy, this makes me want to be Muslim. After years of being of Arab ethnicity gaining me no advantages in society whatsoever (aside from my legendary sexual prowess) and instead providing disadvantages, I finally have a way to exploit ethnic privilege not just due to my white skin!

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: 'Arabs preferred over other nations'
     Reply #13 - February 17, 2012, 02:49 AM

    Snake oil salesmen the lot of them!


    Lol, the Muslim Arabs claim their superior to all countries, just like the prophet says he's superior to all humans.
  • Re: 'Arabs preferred over other nations'
     Reply #14 - February 17, 2012, 02:46 PM

    There are of course other groups with very good claims...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber_people

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    Berber people
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Berbers
    Imazighen / ⵉⵎⴰⵣⵉⵖⴻⵏ
           


    Berbers (Berber: ⵉⵎⴰⵣⵉⵖⴻⵏ / Imazighen / Imaziɣen) are the indigenous peoples of North Africa west of the Nile Valley. They are continuously distributed from the Atlantic to the Siwa oasis, in Egypt, and from the Mediterranean to the Niger River. Historically they spoke the Berber language or varieties of it, which together form a branch of the Afro-Asiatic linguistic family. Today, varieties of Maghrebi colloquial Arabic are spoken by a large portion of Berbers besides the Berber language itself. Foreign languages like French are used by the educated in Morocco, Tunisia and Algeria. Spanish is also known by some Berbers in Morocco and in the annexed Western Sahara and Italian in Libya. This presence of European languages was due to Europe's occupation and colonization of the Berber world. Today, most Berber-speaking people live in Morocco and Algeria, smaller Berber-speaking populations are scattered throughout Tunisia, Libya, Mauritania, Mali and Niger, as well as various diasporas living in Europe.[2][3]

    The presence of the Arabic language and dialects is due to the spread of Islam and to the immigration of some Arab tribes to the region centuries ago.


    Islam really does feel like a model for the Borg sometimes!

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: 'Arabs preferred over other nations'
     Reply #15 - February 17, 2012, 02:59 PM

    This reminds me of the conversation I had with someone in my maths class who was Iraqi and quite a nationalist. It all circled around how he thought Arabs had done so much but would rarely give into consideration that so did so many other ethnic groups. I had a talk with my Iranian friend about this who said that a lot of Arabs in the school thought the same. The next day, I was in class for a mechanics lesson when I heard the Iraqi guy speak in Arabic to a teacher who was Libyan. Now I don't really know how to speak in Arabic but of course when they mentioned things like 'Farsi', 'jamiya' and a few other things that were discussed earlier on, I knew he was talking about just that incident and then the Libyan teacher ended the conversation with the words "Muhammad" and "Arab" in a tone which seemed to be filled with pride.

    "I measured the skies, now the shadows I measure,
    Sky-bound was the mind, earth-bound the body rests."
    [Kepler's epitaph]
  • Re: 'Arabs preferred over other nations'
     Reply #16 - February 17, 2012, 03:05 PM

    Imagine a Scot, someone Welsh, Irish, English, Canadian, American, Australian, South African, New Zealander and an Australian all going around pretending they were united and were actually English, of one ummah!!

    A Wales England Rugby Match comes to mind!

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: 'Arabs preferred over other nations'
     Reply #17 - February 17, 2012, 04:56 PM

    The great thing about being an Arab is that other non-Arab Muslims will think you're automatically awesome.

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: 'Arabs preferred over other nations'
     Reply #18 - February 17, 2012, 05:17 PM

    The great thing about being an Arab is that other non-Arab Muslims will think you're automatically awesome.

    that was past.. those day are over harakaat..the onle problem non-Arab Muslims have is making Muhammad as Arab guy.. Muhammad character was invented by early Muslim rulers and Quran writers.. , There WAS NO Muhammad to start with ., In recent year that petro dollars played big propaganda game with Islamic history..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: 'Arabs preferred over other nations'
     Reply #19 - February 17, 2012, 05:42 PM

    Are there any jokes starting

    A Moroccan, an Arab and an Iranian walked into a bar..

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: 'Arabs preferred over other nations'
     Reply #20 - February 17, 2012, 07:05 PM

    Yes, here's one such Muslim joke:

    A Moroccan, an Arab and an Iranian walked into a bar...

    LOL, jk.

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: 'Arabs preferred over other nations'
     Reply #21 - February 17, 2012, 09:16 PM

    Actually, the Moroccan didn't, he was too short..

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: 'Arabs preferred over other nations'
     Reply #22 - February 18, 2012, 10:01 AM

    Is this one of the reasons why they hate Jews so much? They want to be God's favourite kid. Wink


    Isn't it funny how cats can understand people without ever reading a single psychology book?
  • Re: 'Arabs preferred over other nations'
     Reply #23 - February 18, 2012, 10:03 AM

    I read something on a muslim forum; guy criticizes wahhabis , saying how they respect Arabs more than other Muslims.

    Two months ago Kurdish civilians were killed in an attack by Turkish troops; that event passed unnoticed in muslim world, imagine if Arabs were killed, there would be mass outrage.

    Isn't it funny how cats can understand people without ever reading a single psychology book?
  • Re: 'Arabs preferred over other nations'
     Reply #24 - February 18, 2012, 10:18 AM

    ^^^I think it's more the case that Muslims had killed Muslims, if it were non-Muslims committing the killing then you would get outrage.

    Just to provide a counter-example to what you said, there were no outcries when Saddam was massacring marsh Arabs in the Arab world.

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  • Re: 'Arabs preferred over other nations'
     Reply #25 - February 18, 2012, 12:22 PM

    I can quite agree to that,not only the Arab ethnic group but the arabic language itself, how it was made to be more superior than my native language and English, you would be appreciate for learning how to speak Arabic, this is one of the things that made me hate Islam because of that.its another kind of racial superiority.

    However, i have seen the liberal muslims arguing against the idea saying that Islam considers every ethnic group as equal.  Isnt that how some of the African Americans were converted to Islam? ,not really sure about this but i learn that its the equality part that appeals  them.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

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  • Re: 'Arabs preferred over other nations'
     Reply #26 - February 18, 2012, 12:28 PM

    Something else that isn't mentioned is that Arab is an assimilationist identity, IE anyone can become an Arab, just like anyone can be considered American. The conditions vary, but if a person lives in an  'Arab' country for a long time, learns and speaks Arabic, and embraces Arabic culture they will become an Arab. So it isn't quite an ethnic group as ethnicity usually requires shared origins.

    Most imperialist/assimilationist identities have a superiority complex, look at the value of patrioitism in America now, or Turkey (another assimilationist identity) or this idea of being 'British'-so it's not exactly an instance of ethnic supremacism, rather-imperialist nationalism.

    Of course there are ethnic tensions in Arab countries as well as widespread racism-but this idea of Arab superiority transcends that.

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

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  • Re: 'Arabs preferred over other nations'
     Reply #27 - February 18, 2012, 01:50 PM

    To deny this they could just quote Muhammad's farewell sermon:

    "All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. "

    All well and good, it's nice that they have something to discourage nationalism/racism. The problem is that it is far from clear that Muhammad actually said these things. This farewell sermon was a mashup of hadiths and history books put together by a guy called Faizi, who published a book called Sermons of the Prophet in 1991. I saw that one guy tried to trace some of the claimed sources of the things in the sermon, and it didn't seem to add up (though he was only able to check the few sources accessable to him).

  • Re: 'Arabs preferred over other nations'
     Reply #28 - February 18, 2012, 07:34 PM

    I can quite agree to that,not only the Arab ethnic group but the arabic language itself, how it was made to be more superior than my native language and English, you would be appreciate for learning how to speak Arabic, this is one of the things that made me hate Islam because of that.its another kind of racial superiority.



    +1, if Allah exists he should be able to accept prayers in any language.  wacko
  • Re: 'Arabs preferred over other nations'
     Reply #29 - February 18, 2012, 08:18 PM

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/hitchhikers/guide/babelfish.shtml

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    The Babel Fish is small, yellow, and simultaneously translates from one spoken language to another.
    When inserted into the ear, its nutrition processes convert sound waves into brain waves, neatly crossing the language divide between any species you should happen to meet whilst travelling in space.

    Some say that the evolution of the Babel fish could not have been accidental, and hence that it proves the non-existence of God.


    Which is why allah only speaks Arabic.

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
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