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  • Did your parents, grandparents, aunts wear miniskirts?
     OP - December 28, 2011, 02:07 PM

    How religious were older generations?

    ww.ikbis.com/triplem/shot/78949

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    Quote
    "The short skirt was not really worn by many women until 1966 [when Mary Quant introduced short mini dresses and skirts that were set 6 or 7 inches above the knee] and not nationwide until 1967. The mini skirts reached their hayday in the year 1970. At that time,they were worn worldwide by the vast majority of women ,even in many Islamic, Arab, and Middle Eastern countries.In the Middle East ,women wore mini skirts as their daily apparel. From Kabul in Afghanistan to Iran and Bahrain in the Persian Gulf,Egypt,the Levant,North Africa,etc, mini skirts were the trend and it was generally acceptable for many women to wear them, even in the most religious and conservative families and societies.Among women who wore the mini skirts,were most school and university students , teachers and university staff members ,house wives,working classes,employees in governmental institutions,doctors and nurses in hospitals ,etc.This might be surprising to newer generations who never expected mini skirts to have been, at one point in time [1966-1975], so common in the Middle East.Many of younger generations were really astonished,when I happened to show them old photos of their grandmothers,aunts and other older relatives [above 50 ] wearing mini skirts through out their youth .The quick decline of the mini skirt in the middle East began from late 1975,and was virtually non existent by 1977.Since that date,it never again became a popular fashion among ordinary women in working and middle classes.Today , mini skirts are worn in the middle East by exceptionally few women in private occasions [mostly prominent stars in cinema,music,media and TV,but never again among ordinary women as was the case before].They are generally not seen in public except in very few countries as some urban parts of Syria and Lebanon,mainly in festivals.The question then arises,why was this phenomenon so abundant [ more like an epidemic] among Middle Eastern women in both liberal and conservative countries in the years [1966-1975].Why did this phenomenon fade abruptly from 1975 in particular ,and not before or after? A scientific explanation is still needed


    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Did your parents, grandparents, aunts wear miniskirts?
     Reply #1 - December 28, 2011, 02:25 PM

    Well i think short skirts gained popularity in the middle east because after all those years of seeing veils everywhere the muslim men finally got some "masturbation material"   Cheesy Cheesy  

    Untill the new generation of mullahs came and ruined it all finmad

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Re: Did your parents, grandparents, aunts wear miniskirts?
     Reply #2 - December 28, 2011, 03:41 PM

    I doubt my grandmothers ever did because they belong to the generation of the hayek


    But my mother sure did. There even pictures to prove it, from both high school and university. Her justification of it was that it was what fashion was all about those days, so much so that you couldn't find anything else to wear. And my grandfather apparently never raised an eyebrow, bless him.

    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: Did your parents, grandparents, aunts wear miniskirts?
     Reply #3 - December 28, 2011, 04:27 PM

    yep mine did! they wore cloths that would make any teenager jealous nowadays.... i  summed it up to the war starting in Lebanon ,1975..
  • Re: Did your parents, grandparents, aunts wear miniskirts?
     Reply #4 - December 28, 2011, 04:40 PM

    My step mum-in-law was wearing short, above the knee skirts in 1980 when I first met her.
  • Re: Did your parents, grandparents, aunts wear miniskirts?
     Reply #5 - December 28, 2011, 04:49 PM

    What are their attitudes now?  Why? 

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Did your parents, grandparents, aunts wear miniskirts?
     Reply #6 - December 28, 2011, 04:50 PM

    People also used to drink socially. Nowadays alcohol is so taboo.

    I wish parents everywhere could remove their veil of religion and see their kids for whom they actually are.
  • Re: Did your parents, grandparents, aunts wear miniskirts?
     Reply #7 - December 28, 2011, 05:00 PM

    ^same here too, now if you try and walk on the streets with a beer can, there is a high chance someone may throw a stone at you.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: Did your parents, grandparents, aunts wear miniskirts?
     Reply #8 - December 28, 2011, 05:04 PM

    I was amazed to learn about the clothing people used to wear, about the drinking, peoples beliefs and how many people in my parents and grandparents generation became atheists.


    I wish parents everywhere could remove their veil of religion and see their kids for whom they actually are.
  • Re: Did your parents, grandparents, aunts wear miniskirts?
     Reply #9 - December 28, 2011, 05:07 PM

    lol...my grandparents were born in the late 1800s early 1900s LOL
    my mom's mom was a real sleaze, tho.. for that era.

    my parents were real square and it was culture/taboo that
    caused them to dress modestly.  My mom did wear skirts
    just below the knee, but they were like, tight lol.

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Did your parents, grandparents, aunts wear miniskirts?
     Reply #10 - December 28, 2011, 05:10 PM

    I'm British and was brought up in what is the UK version of extremism - pentecostal xianity.  Jeanette Winterson's latest book - why be happy when you can be normal - explains it brilliantly.

    Religion in Britain has been dying out since at least the 1830's "those dreadful hammers" and Darwin with two world wars basically put the kibosh on religion here.  It is a very minority pastime - anyone doing it seriously is by definition a nutter.  AN Wilson, God's Funeral discusses it well.

    We have loads of ceremonial deism though - the Church of England - but that is tearing itself apart between the reasonable ones and the natters who for example think women can never be priests or gay people are evil.  It is not good when PMs do god.

    My older sister introduced me to miniskirts, Biba, the Beatles, long hair, West Side Story....  It was obvious this was a world wide phenomenon.  

    So it has puzzled me why whole chunks of the planet have gone religious, and in fact are even given the time of day.  

    Why is there not a basic distrust of religion?  

    Personally, I do wonder if Muslims get a hard time because religion is put in one's face explicitly.  We are allegedly welcoming, I'm not sure we are of priests and their kin...

    So why stop wearing miniskirts and drinking and being normal?  Religion doesn't actually help you get through the day.  What happened?


    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Did your parents, grandparents, aunts wear miniskirts?
     Reply #11 - December 28, 2011, 05:30 PM

    I was amazed to learn about the clothing people used to wear, about the drinking, peoples beliefs and how many people in my parents and grandparents generation became atheists.




    I witness a socio-cultural shift from cultural Islam to extreme Islam that encourages hatred to non-muslims and they started relying on scholars on how to live their life islamically. Before 90's muslimahs dont wear hijab at all,just a blouse and a wrapper or long skirt, then all of a sudden they started wearing hijabs. That moment has always stayed in my mind and made me question why did it happen. It was like Islam just became a new fashion.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: Did your parents, grandparents, aunts wear miniskirts?
     Reply #12 - December 28, 2011, 06:20 PM

    My grandma wore a red, skin tight leather miniskirt. Still does.

    fuck you
  • Re: Did your parents, grandparents, aunts wear miniskirts?
     Reply #13 - December 28, 2011, 06:40 PM

    ^same here too, now if you try and walk on the streets with a beer can, there is a high chance someone may throw a stone at you.


    Why? 

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Did your parents, grandparents, aunts wear miniskirts?
     Reply #14 - December 28, 2011, 07:01 PM

    Same in Algeria (but my grandparents were all very religious and traditional.) According to my parents, in the 70s Algeria was very westernized. I asked them why that stopped being the case, and they talked about a global phenomenon of Islamic awakening aided by television and a wave of political movements worldwide.

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Did your parents, grandparents, aunts wear miniskirts?
     Reply #15 - December 28, 2011, 07:15 PM

    ^
    Is the media then to blame for this global awakening?
    the so-called glocalisation?
    The invention of cassette tapes?
    The mass re-printing of one particular form of classical books?
    The fall of the Ottoman Empire? The end of khilafa?   

    Discuss.
  • Re: Did your parents, grandparents, aunts wear miniskirts?
     Reply #16 - December 28, 2011, 07:23 PM

    1. Repeated efforts to undermine secular movements in the region by imperialist nations, combined with repeated interference by the same imperialist interests in the internal affairs of the nations in that region and haphazard carving up of the old Ottoman Empire after WWII for political expediency in the interest of colonial powers.

    2. Corruption and authoritarianism of secular regimes in the region leading to a perception that secularism (and along with it Arab nationalism) had failed, thus leading to a reawakening of Islamic fundamentalism and universalism to fill the void.

    3. The UK, US, and Pakistan organizing a global militant Islamist movement to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan, which imported the radicalism that had already developed in the Middle East to South and Central Asia and further globalized the problem.

    fuck you
  • Re: Did your parents, grandparents, aunts wear miniskirts?
     Reply #17 - December 28, 2011, 07:25 PM

    Whabbist!!! WELCOME BACK!  We missed you!

    ghost

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Did your parents, grandparents, aunts wear miniskirts?
     Reply #18 - December 28, 2011, 07:32 PM

    Jinn and Tonic; I have been meaning to send you a PM since I came back yesterday but I kept insinuating myself here and there. Only Allah knows how sorely I missd the place and its people and you. I will be in touch with you soon.
  • Re: Did your parents, grandparents, aunts wear miniskirts?
     Reply #19 - December 28, 2011, 07:34 PM

    Why?  


    -its Haram

    -drinking beer publicly in a street will be seen as disrespect to culture and tradition which can draw ire from people.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: Did your parents, grandparents, aunts wear miniskirts?
     Reply #20 - December 28, 2011, 07:37 PM

    I doubt my grandmothers ever did because they belong to the generation of the hayek
    (Clicky for piccy!)

    But my mother sure did. There even pictures to prove it, from both high school and university. Her justification of it was that it was what fashion was all about those days, so much so that you couldn't find anything else to wear. And my grandfather apparently never raised an eyebrow, bless him.


    i remember lace up platform shoes! LOL  I used to wear them myself :p

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Did your parents, grandparents, aunts wear miniskirts?
     Reply #21 - December 28, 2011, 07:42 PM

    Colonel Q-Daffi
    "1. Repeated efforts to undermine secular movements in the region by imperialist nations, combined with repeated interference by the same imperialist interests in the internal affairs of the nations in that region and haphazard carving up of the old Ottoman Empire after WWII for political expediency in the interest of colonial powers."

    Plain English please. The passive voice in this sentence is hoarse enough to muffle everything.

    "2. Corruption and authoritarianism of secular regimes in the region leading to a perception that secularism (and along with it Arab nationalism) had failed, thus leading to a reawakening of Islamic fundamentalism and universalism to fill the void."

    Local factors: Does it have to be either secular or religious? In other words, is there any human normative purity or absolutism?

    "3. The UK, US, and Pakistan organizing a global militant Islamist movement to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan, which imported the radicalism that had already developed in the Middle East to South and Central Asia and further globalized the problem."

    External factors: should it be understood that radicalism is about contextual readings of Islam, not textual?
  • Re: Did your parents, grandparents, aunts wear miniskirts?
     Reply #22 - December 28, 2011, 07:42 PM

    Quote
    -its Haram

    -drinking beer publicly in a street will be seen as disrespect to culture and tradition which can draw ire from people.


    But it is not in Europe and America - unless you are drunk - actually drinking walking along probably is not allowed, and surely a physical assault - gbh - is far more serious?

    I repeat why?

    Are your legal systems still based on people taking the law into their own hands?  Do you not actually have experience of civil society?


    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Did your parents, grandparents, aunts wear miniskirts?
     Reply #23 - December 28, 2011, 07:48 PM

    Im neither in Europe nor America but i live in a dogmatic society that dont give shit about any legal systems apart from what its in their holy book.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: Did your parents, grandparents, aunts wear miniskirts?
     Reply #24 - December 28, 2011, 08:02 PM

    Interesting how the discussion here is veering toward 'law'. But one needs to define what 'law' is before stating claims to societal/civil superiority. Civilisation is not wholly owned subsidiary of one society nor is it a finished product that can be ordered online and delivered within 3 working days. It is always in the making, never made. Moral obesity used to be the claim of religious natural lawyers but now it has become the international, human rights and secularist lawyers'.  
  • Re: Did your parents, grandparents, aunts wear miniskirts?
     Reply #25 - December 28, 2011, 08:06 PM

    Colonel Q-Daffi
    "1. Repeated efforts to undermine secular movements in the region by imperialist nations, combined with repeated interference by the same imperialist interests in the internal affairs of the nations in that region and haphazard carving up of the old Ottoman Empire after WWII for political expediency in the interest of colonial powers."

    Plain English please. The passive voice in this sentence is hoarse enough to muffle everything.


    1. US, UK, and other imperialist nations have a history going back to at least just after WWII of undermining secular governments in the Middle East in the context of the Cold War and supporting religious reactionaries in that region as a counterweight to Soviet influence-- Afghanistan was merely the culmination of this policy, it started in 1953 with the CIA and MI6 orchestrated overthrown of the democratic regime in Iran and continued with Western policy towards Egypt (and to a lesser extent Syria, Algeria, and Palestine) until 1978 when the CIA intervened in Afghanistan to successfully provoke a Soviet intervention.

    2. After WWI when the European colonial powers (primarily the UK and France) divided up the old Ottoman Empire, borders were drawn which exist to this day on the basis of political expediency rather than traditional tribal or sectarian boundaries. This in turn led to deformed national development in the region.

    3. The result of (1) and (2) above was the following:

    (a) Hostility and resentment towards foreign intervention, which was easily then framed by religious fundamentalists as the kuffar versus Muslims.

    (b) The weakening of secular regimes and progressive movements in the area.

    (c) The creation of reactionary organizations and movements to oppose these regimes.

    (d) The weakening of the development of a national, rather than religious, identity for many in the region, as well as a deformation of the governing structures themselves.

    Quote
    "2. Corruption and authoritarianism of secular regimes in the region leading to a perception that secularism (and along with it Arab nationalism) had failed, thus leading to a reawakening of Islamic fundamentalism and universalism to fill the void."

    Local factors: Does it have to be either secular or religious? In other words, is there any human normative purity or absolutism?


    And you're complaining about "plain English?" Wink

    While I'm not sure I understand your question, I will attempt to divine its meaning and answer anyways-- most people tend to engage in binary thinking thus it's very easy for Muslim clerics and political activists to say "Well see how corrupt and useless secular government is? We must return to Islam to clean up the corruption and make life better for people"

    Quote
    "3. The UK, US, and Pakistan organizing a global militant Islamist movement to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan, which imported the radicalism that had already developed in the Middle East to South and Central Asia and further globalized the problem."

    External factors: should it be understood that radicalism is about contextual readings of Islam, not textual?



    Again, not sure I understand the question, BUT, I'm just looking at this as an organizational/historical analysis of the global Islamic "reawakening" which is spoken of here-- its organizational components and historical causes, I'm not willing to speculate any further than that at this time.

    fuck you
  • Re: Did your parents, grandparents, aunts wear miniskirts?
     Reply #26 - December 28, 2011, 08:11 PM

    Jinn and Tonic; I have been meaning to send you a PM since I came back yesterday but I kept insinuating myself here and there. Only Allah knows how sorely I missd the place and its people and you. I will be in touch with you soon.


    I would really love to hear how you are doing.  Smiley  And I miss your poetic way
    of expressing yourself. 

    ========================================

    My sisters and I wore mini skirts AND GO GO BOOTS! LOL 

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Did your parents, grandparents, aunts wear miniskirts?
     Reply #27 - December 28, 2011, 08:20 PM

    Interesting how the discussion here is veering toward 'law'. But one needs to define what 'law' is before stating claims to societal/civil superiority. Civilisation is not wholly owned subsidiary of one society nor is it a finished product that can be ordered online and delivered within 3 working days. It is always in the making, never made. Moral obesity used to be the claim of religious natural lawyers but now it has become the international, human rights and secularist lawyers'.  


    I believe that the true definition of being civilized and the actual event of civilization are
    two different beasts.  Believe it or not, "civilization" started when we started cultivating
    crops, and being more settled instead of roaming.  ALL the rules changed from that point
    forward. 

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Did your parents, grandparents, aunts wear miniskirts?
     Reply #28 - December 28, 2011, 08:45 PM

    I'm British and was brought up in what is the UK version of extremism - pentecostal xianity.  Jeanette Winterson's latest book - why be happy when you can be normal - explains it brilliantly.




    i was in a hardcore pentecostal cult for ten years  wacko
    I know EXACTLY where you are coming from!  How did YOU
    get out?  Wasnt easy for me lol.

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Did your parents, grandparents, aunts wear miniskirts?
     Reply #29 - December 28, 2011, 08:49 PM

    my step mum wore midi skirts, still pretty daring in her eyes since her mother never did.

    my real mum was english so she doesn't count for what you need for this thread.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
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