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 Topic: What Really Happened Aboard Air France 447?

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  • What Really Happened Aboard Air France 447?
     OP - December 22, 2011, 09:19 PM

    I found this interesting. It put me in mind of the story of the Titanic. The crew of that ship assumed it was unsinkable and behaved accordingly. The crew of the Airbus (or at least one of them) assumed the plane was un-stallable. The result in both cases was a bit of a mess.

    What Really Happened Aboard Air France 447?

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    For more than two years, the disappearance of Air France Flight 447 over the mid-Atlantic in the early hours of June 1, 2009, remained one of aviation's great mysteries. How could a technologically state-of-the art airliner simply vanish?

    With the wreckage and flight-data recorders lost beneath 2 miles of ocean, experts were forced to speculate using the only data available: a cryptic set of communications beamed automatically from the aircraft to the airline's maintenance center in France. As PM found in our cover story about the crash, published two years ago this month, the data implied that the plane had fallen afoul of a technical problem?the icing up of air-speed sensors?which in conjunction with severe weather led to a complex "error chain" that ended in a crash and the loss of 228 lives.

    The matter might have rested there, were it not for the remarkable recovery of AF447's black boxes this past April. Upon the analysis of their contents, the French accident investigation authority, the BEA, released a report in July that to a large extent verified the initial suppositions. An even fuller picture emerged with the publication of a book in French entitled Erreurs de Pilotage (volume 5), by pilot and aviation writer Jean-Pierre Otelli, which includes the full transcript of the pilots' conversation.

    We now understand that, indeed, AF447 passed into clouds associated with a large system of thunderstorms, its speed sensors became iced over, and the autopilot disengaged. In the ensuing confusion, the pilots lost control of the airplane because they reacted incorrectly to the loss of instrumentation and then seemed unable to comprehend the nature of the problems they had caused. Neither weather nor malfunction doomed AF447, nor a complex chain of error, but a simple but persistent mistake on the part of one of the pilots.

    Human judgments, of course, are never made in a vacuum. Pilots are part of a complex system that can either increase or reduce the probability that they will make a mistake. After this accident, the million-dollar question is whether training, instrumentation, and cockpit procedures can be modified all around the world so that no one will ever make this mistake again?or whether the inclusion of the human element will always entail the possibility of a catastrophic outcome. After all, the men who crashed AF447 were three highly trained pilots flying for one of the most prestigious fleets in the world. If they could fly a perfectly good plane into the ocean, then what airline could plausibly say, "Our pilots would never do that"?

    The entire transcript is worth reading.

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  • Re: What Really Happened Aboard Air France 447?
     Reply #1 - December 22, 2011, 09:59 PM

    A chilling read  mysmilie_977

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  • Re: What Really Happened Aboard Air France 447?
     Reply #2 - December 22, 2011, 10:12 PM

    Rather. I imagine it's going to cause quite a bit of embarrassment.

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  • Re: What Really Happened Aboard Air France 447?
     Reply #3 - December 22, 2011, 11:54 PM


    Spooky but compelling read.

    You can see the truth in this:

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    While Bonin's behavior is irrational, it is not inexplicable. Intense psychological stress tends to shut down the part of the brain responsible for innovative, creative thought. Instead, we tend to revert to the familiar and the well-rehearsed. Though pilots are required to practice hand-flying their aircraft during all phases of flight as part of recurrent training, in their daily routine they do most of their hand-flying at low altitude—while taking off, landing, and maneuvering. It's not surprising, then, that amid the frightening disorientation of the thunderstorm, Bonin reverted to flying the plane as if it had been close to the ground, even though this response was totally ill-suited to the situation.


    Also, the final paragraph about how over reliance on computerised safe auto-flying blunts the actual piloting instincts when situations like this occur is very interesting and spooky too.


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