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OP - October 24, 2011, 01:40 AM

(English or Urdu okay in this thread)

I grew up in the 1980's in Karachi, attended a private English-medium school (City School) and there was nothing resembling any education about sex, sexuality, menstruation, reproduction, childbirth, birth control, STDs, etc. The school was co-ed till 5th grade (age 10), then they split the girls and boys into separate campuses/buildings.

Here's a video I saw recently (it's in Urdu)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpeBIHsl4po

For those who grew up in Pakistan, or who are there now, what is the kind of sex education that is available to adolescents and teens there? I mean, sex-ed within a school environment, not just stuff anyone can look up on the internet.

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Reply #1 - October 24, 2011, 02:03 AM

havent lived there since 1999 but from what i remember there was nothing till like grade 5 when i was there.

good thing my parents were liberal and they explained it all to me. then i told all my friends about sex and how babies are born. I remember one of them saying "There is no way my parents did that!"

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Reply #2 - October 24, 2011, 02:04 AM

also given the amount of porn they watch i doubt they need sex ed.

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Reply #3 - October 24, 2011, 12:36 PM

I did my Bachelors in Pakistan. And the only sex education I got was from peers. In fact, I did not know any such thing as vagina exist until a classmate told me. And I was over 18 when I came to know that information.
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Reply #4 - October 24, 2011, 01:33 PM

I saw a condom ad on tv whilst I was in Pakistan, I was rather surprised by it.
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Reply #5 - October 24, 2011, 10:06 PM

Wow. Kids saying they don’t want to read ‘science books’ because if you look at them you can see how ‘filthy’ they are!
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Reply #6 - October 24, 2011, 10:24 PM

Wow, makes me feel dumb for opting out of Sex Education classes. But I still did manage to learn it online, so it's all good.
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Reply #7 - October 25, 2011, 06:04 AM

This was me when i was 10

Me: Mummy, where do babies come from
Her: Allah gives babies to the couples he likes most.

End of]

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Reply #8 - October 25, 2011, 06:08 AM

^I choked on my tea. That is the single best parental cop-out I have ever heard.

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Reply #9 - October 25, 2011, 06:16 AM

Yet i didnt know where babies come out until when i was 13

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Reply #10 - October 25, 2011, 06:31 AM

That's just terrible. I never had "the talk" either, just an internet connection, a library card and enough curiosity to find out about on my own (but not enough to learn about it through experience ). I'm actually pretty surprised to know how much sex and slut shaming religion imposes on a person can detract them from getting it on. It's kind of a shock to realize that the fear of being tossed into hell by a bipolar white man in the sky or being shamed/ostracized by a religious community has managed to keep virile teenagers and young adults from smanging for thousands of years. Crazy stuff.

I wonder how many ex-Muslims received a decent sex education and what effect it's had on their sex lives?

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Reply #11 - October 25, 2011, 07:21 AM

^That question is worth opening a thread about it, unless if there is something similar to that.

Im always in support of sex education because of such cases like this, its unfortunate how the word "sex" has been demonized by the religious clerics who promotes sexual abstinence, which it can lead to unwanted ramifications.

I did have an argument with a christian friend who thinks its best for everyone to conform to sexual abstinence rather than teach them safe sex since its still a sin.

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Reply #12 - October 25, 2011, 07:26 AM

Quote from: Naija Infidel on October 25, 2011, 06:04 AM
This was me when i was 10

Me: Mummy, where do babies come from
Her: Allah gives babies to the couples he likes most.

End of]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bstmPIIAmlY

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Reply #13 - October 25, 2011, 08:06 AM

I think the topic's already been discussed but I'll start a thread if it hasn't.

What's even more unfortunate is the fact that many religious authority figures don't follow rules against active sexuality themselves. You know it's difficult to curb such a normal desire so why would you expect everyone else to and vilify them if they don't? Like men in papacy having denied the practice of premarital sex for years but remaining in news headlines involving sexual abuse allegations every few years. You're in position of power preaching the good word but you can't keep those frisky hands of yours away from little boys' pants? Oh, okay.

I seriously wonder how such a large number of people have fallen for this amount of BS and think well of themselves for railing against other people who choose to engage in it. Leaving the issue of honor killings alone for now, it's absurd to think of how the pattern of thinking has changed in the face of the concept of sinfulness and someone keeping tabs on them while they jerk off or fuck. I'm reminded yet again of the force of shame so strong it can curb sexual appetite far enough that people will not only stay willfully ignorant themselves but uphold the practice by teaching it to children rather than taking the initiative to learn and teach a body of knowledge that's so important in any cultural setting. I'm sure they'll all find their way out of the paper bag eventually but Jesus fucking Christ is this battle against religious dogma a difficult one.

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Reply #14 - October 25, 2011, 11:08 AM

Surprised, but sort of expected on how old some of you were when you became educated on sex. I remember hearing it from friends around 8 years of age (in Canada), at the time I thought it was icky but at the same time couldn't stop laughing either...you know young kids are. We did finally learn about it in school during 6th grade.

The thread title is a bit of an oxymoron though don't ya think?

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Reply #15 - October 25, 2011, 01:05 PM

I only learned about sex in Grade 7 Health class, although even before that I had sexual feelings. I felt so ashamed of them. When I first produced semen, I thought that I was sick (one of the abnormal discharges that we were warned about). But my father told me its true meaning.

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Reply #16 - October 26, 2011, 12:45 AM

Quote from: Naija Infidel on October 25, 2011, 06:04 AM
This was me when i was 10

Me: Mummy, where do babies come from
Her: Allah gives babies to the couples he likes most.

End of]

My mom used to give me, "I totally forget" routine.. lol.. So once my aunt had to deliver and my mom went with her. As soon as she came back, I jumped onto her asking now you must remember.. she kept quiet, and my sister came to her rescue telling me that angels bring it..

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Reply #17 - October 26, 2011, 02:46 PM

My nieces think doctors give babies. They always telling my sister to go and buy a new baby when they go to the hospital. Its cute and funny.

But hanji, sex ed? yeh kiya bakwas hai?

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Reply #18 - November 04, 2011, 01:14 PM

Quote from: VHD on October 26, 2011, 02:46 PM

But hanji, sex ed? yeh kiya bakwas hai?

Yap.. a loog poora bakwas baath kar rahia....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=1ZUcTepmBiY

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Reply #19 - November 04, 2011, 05:03 PM

My parents opted me out of sex ed classes but in grades 5 and 6 i lied to my parents about the school not having sex ed classes anymore and went to them. But my dad ended up having the "talk" with me(Islamic sex ed) when i was 13. Umm.yea..kinda late but i just played dumb . Apparently Pakistani parents only approve of Islamic sex ed....

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Reply #20 - November 04, 2011, 05:20 PM

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Reply #21 - November 04, 2011, 05:27 PM

Quote from: yeezevee on November 04, 2011, 01:14 PM
Yap.. a loog poora bakwas baath kar rahia....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=1ZUcTepmBiY

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Is that the islamic substitute for porn?

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Reply #22 - November 04, 2011, 05:38 PM

Quote from: Aphrodite on October 24, 2011, 01:33 PM
I saw a condom ad on tv whilst I was in Pakistan, I was rather surprised by it.

Oh please please please don't tell me it was that insane condom ad with the guys wearing body length condoms and singing and dancing?

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On topic, being in the west was no better you know. I didn't really understand sex until I had sex. That was when I found out what happened.

I wish I had known, but my parents didn't allow those sort of questions and we weren't allowed to go to sex education classes.

Quote from: Naija Infidel on October 25, 2011, 06:04 AM
This was me when i was 10

Me: Mummy, where do babies come from
Her: Allah gives babies to the couples he likes most.

End of]

You know, I found it very very hard to break out of my muslim background the first few times my kids asked about babies or sex.

I reacted quite badly and closed the topic down fast and I snapped because I didn't know what to say or what was right to say.

It has taken me a long time to relax enough to discuss things with them, and although I feel unbelievably uncomfortable discussing it with them, I make myself answer their questions honestly.

We went from one day "don't ask me questions like that, that's rude" (but way worse than that), to one day me randomly explaining exactly what happens.

Thing is its not like they came up and asked in some innocent way. My middle son came up to me once and asked me how men have sex together. I sort of froze and didn't know what the hell to say and then he said "is it like the ladybirds we saw" (because we saw some ladybirds having sex) and then he started doing the motions...."like this mummy, is it like this?"

My friend had to intervene because I had another "muslim residual" panic moment, and she started the conversation and then I sat down and joined in and just spoke to him about everything.

I am constantly surprised by the amount of damage that has been done to my view of sex all because of how I was brought up.

Sex was dirty, ergo I still see it that way, and I am still working on trying to change that but failing miserably. Least i can do is try my hardest to make sure I don't pass this on to my kids.

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Reply #23 - November 04, 2011, 08:24 PM

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Thing is its not like they came up and asked in some innocent way. My middle son came up to me once and asked me how men have sex together. I sort of froze and didn't know what the hell to say and then he said "is it like the ladybirds we saw" (because we saw some ladybirds having sex) and then he started doing the motions...[/b]."like this mummy, is it like this?"[/b]

Wow,That must be a quite awkward moment there

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I am constantly surprised by the amount of damage that has been done to my view of sex all because of how I was brought up.

Sex was dirty, ergo I still see it that way, and I am still working on trying to change that but failing miserably. Least i can do is try my hardest to make sure I don't pass this on to my kids.

I guess its because we have different experience which led us to have different views on it.your case is highly understandable on why you see it that way.

My views on sex is nothing but a pleasurable activity, the fact that it is being made a taboo is what even made me curious about it and to know why its unacceptable and a sin which led me to lose my virginty, its also funny that i disvirgined myself before being exposed to porn (actually it wasnt available in the town that i was living back then plus they were on VHS tapes) and honestly i never thought there is such thing as porn( they call it Blue film over here at that time ).

Despite that i have engaged in it as a muslim, i was afflicted with guilt for commiting a major sin, I cant remember the countless i have made promise to Allah not to indulge in it again only to find myself back to doing it because of pleasure which makes me more depressed with guilt, its like you vowed not to smoke again but you find yourself back to doing it and feel gutted.

But now as an apostate my views on sex has changed, the only thing bad i see related to it is STDs and unwanted pregnancy which are the risks of having sex. I hate rape with passion that i even ditched a friend who attempted to rape a woman but didnt succeed, its insane, whats the fun in it if there is no consent from a woman, however i have learned that most rapist only rape women to assert their dominance on women and degrade them, NOT out of pleasure which goes contrary to my views on sex.

On a general note, my views on sex is positive based on the ground that there is a consent between the participants and Im also not in favour of cheating as well.

I wish i could have been in sex-ed class or someone older to talk to me about it and also make me view women as human with feelings rather than sex objects, which we were made to see it that way practically by making us to lower our gaze so as not to see their body shape,women forced to wear hijab to cover their al-awra so as not to arouse men and women being treated as an inferior. This kind of attitude doesnt help the society at all, it only reinforces the views of men to see women as nothing but a property and sex objects. I think lack of sex education causes a lot more harm than benefit.

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Reply #24 - November 04, 2011, 08:25 PM

My parents were smart as fuck. They'd pull me out of any activities which even remotely reinforced "Christian values", but they never had any problem with me attending sex ed classes.

Might have had something to do with the fact that I was intentionally extremely vague in explaining the consent forms. Also I'd already read about sex stuff on my own anyway, and I knew from early on that this was a subject that was highly relevant to my interests.

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Reply #25 - November 04, 2011, 08:32 PM

Quote from: BerberElla on November 04, 2011, 05:38 PM
Oh please please please don't tell me it was that insane condom ad with the guys wearing body length condoms and singing and dancing?

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lol, it was a story about a couple who got married and were making too many babies then the guy comes across condoms and uses them.
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Reply #26 - November 04, 2011, 08:43 PM

Lol! Wtf?? Why would anyone want to have sex with an xray woman who's bone marrow is visible? I bet there could be a business to be made out of xray porn for these dirty wankers. Lol

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Reply #27 - November 05, 2011, 08:26 AM

Quote from: Naija Infidel on November 04, 2011, 08:24 PM
Despite that i have engaged in it as a muslim, i was afflicted with guilt for commiting a major sin, I cant remember the countless i have made promise to Allah not to indulge in it again only to find myself back to doing it because of pleasure which makes me more depressed with guilt, its like you vowed not to smoke again but you find yourself back to doing it and feel gutted

I'm pretty sure this is how we all felt about it. Twas a losing battle and the casualties kept mounting.

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Reply #28 - June 27, 2014, 01:24 AM

Lol @ this thread
I attended city school for one year and then got back to Italy. There's no sexual education in Pakistan, I sometimes wonder how my cousins learn about these things.
I got introduced to the world of penis and vagina at the age of 12?

It was my classmate, she was laughing because I didnt get her joke. Then she gave me a demonstration with her hands. Got back home, went online, learnt everything
Then of course, there were sexual education classes, so everything became clear.

If I remained in Pakistan, Im sure I would have been unaware of it. What a backward country... because teaching basic stuff of the human body, is considered "filthy"...
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Reply #29 - June 27, 2014, 03:41 AM

Aren't women there pretty much told to just lie there like a dead log and let the husband get on with his plowing?

I'm worried about my 12 year old niece whose parents are from Pakistan. Even though they are pretty open minded I don't know how they will approach the topic when the parental consent forms come home. I tried bringing it up casually one time but it was like talking to a brick wall.

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