You inferred that one of the things that showed the Qur'an to be divine and miraculous is that it inspired the people, despite going against the will of the people at the time. I refuted this by saying that this is not accurate, as it is very much a product of its environment, and includes many aspects of the culture of the people at the time.
You stated that one of the things that made the Qur'an miraculous is that it inspired the Arab people to conquer nations. It is not a "ridiculous claim" that the Communist Manifesto inspired popular movements around the world, such as in Russia, without being divine. Also, I don't get what you mean by "ridiculous claim that the Communist Manifesto answered the challenge" - do you mean the "produce a verse like it" challenge, because I did not claim that.
What on Earth are you talking about?
- The Qur'an challenge is a ridiculous challenge for a number of reasons.
It has the fingerprints of its author, like all other great literary works making it very difficult to imitate. Shakespeare's Hamlet would be very difficult to imitate as it is written in Shakespeare's style and it would be very difficult for somebody to convinvingly imitate that style
Even if somebody did produce a verse like it, Muslims would not accept it, because Muslims blindly believe that the Qur'an is divine and inimitable. Also, most Muslims cannot understand the Qur'an at all, and thus, when they say that the Qur'an is divine and inimitable, they are simply relying on the hearsay which you are accusing us of.
Even if someone did produce a verse like it, who would be the judge? If a Muslim was to say "actually, that is just like the Qur'an" that would be going against the Qur'an and thus, a Muslim would never say that.
How am I ducking and dodging to take the challenge? I know full well that I would not succeed in the challenge, as I am not a writer, I am not trained in classical Arabic, and I do not have that level of creativity!
Response: Simply amazing. Your excuses to try to justify your ducking and dodging to take the challenge yourself is getting even sadder. Instead of answering the challenge, because you clearly can't, you use another weak strawman by stating that I said that " the Qur'an to be divine and miraculous is that it inspired the people, despite going against the will of the people at the time. " Yet no where can you quote any post of mine stating so. The challenge that I provided clearly states within the challenge to use a speech/literatue invented by a person/s that goes against the likes of the masses to inspire those same people to conquer a nation. What you do, as every deluded non-muslim does to justify their actions, is exclude the fact that I clearly said "to inspire those same people to conquer a nation", and simply address the miracle as inspiring with things that go against their will. Thus you've refuted nothing, because you're not refuting my argument, but your weak strawman that excludes part of the challenge. Failed as usual. Even if the weak strawman was my actual argument, it still fails because the challenge is for YOU YOURSELF to answer the challenge, which you have not done. The Communist Manifesto is not YOU. Furthermore, your proof that the Communsit Manifesto did so is "because a book says so", which is ridiculous proof. According to your logic, Big Foot exist because "a book says so". Clearly, any reasonable person can see the delusion in your logic.
Not only is your evidence weak, it is once again fictional hearsay, as the challenge itself provides a hands-on eyewitness account that the act is impossible. So your persistancy to state that fictional hearsay is better evidence than a hands-on eyewitness acount is nonsensical and proves nothing.
As for Shakespeare, the challenge I provide is a test as to whether something is humanly possible, while your challenge to produce something like Shakespeare is a challenge to produce something like another human. Thus your analogy fails, as the challenges are not the same. As for judging, again your argument fails because truth is not based on consensus, but facts. So asking for a judge is ridiculous.
So we see once again, that another deluded non-muslim, after clearly seeing that the challenge of the Qur'an clearly proves its divinity, tries another desperate attempt to justify his ducking and dodging to take the challenge with another weak rebuttal but fails miserably.
Topic: Muslims believe in Islam for no reason at all