72 virgins for martydom ?

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Reply #30 - November 29, 2012, 12:09 AM

final point - if you look in the Qur'an in relation to the passages about the "virgins" you will see only the Arabic word of "Houri"; the gender and the number are found in brackets. Fully enforcing the fact this was not one of Muhammad's original teachings.

Good luck in looking up the facts. Hope it doesn't upset you too much.
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Reply #31 - November 29, 2012, 01:16 AM

Quote from: Farhana on November 29, 2012, 12:07 AM
It is disappointing (but typical) to see those individuals have failed to adhere to the Islamic principle of gaining knowledge - "it is obligatory to gain knowledge" or "an hours contemplation is better than a years worship".

Wow, gaining knowledge is an Islamic principle?

How come all those non Muslims who gain knowledge are able to manage it without resorting to invoking this principle of Islam.

Weird that.

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Reply #32 - December 04, 2012, 09:17 PM

Typical response; ignoring the facts and resorting to mindless statements.

In Islam however, it is obligatory upon one to educate themselves. Maybe you should invest some time in honing those poor literacy skills of yours, if you failed to acknowledge those points I raised in my posts.
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Reply #33 - December 04, 2012, 09:29 PM

Quote from: Farhana on November 29, 2012, 12:07 AM
It is amusing, however, to see how those who wish to resort to prevaricated statements in relation to Islam consistently refer to this notion. It indicates a few things: primarily, such individuals have failed to independently research, and clearly have to rely on others for their "information".

Well, they're simply relying on accepted, mainstream Islamic sources. Hadith, tafseer, etc. You can hardly blame people for quoting the generally accepted sources.

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Reply #34 - December 04, 2012, 09:34 PM

Quote from: Farhana on November 29, 2012, 12:07 AM
You need to invest some time in to research. According to the history; this concept (concerning number, to which sex it applied etc) was not established until some few hundred years after the death of Muhammad.
It is amusing, however, to see how those who wish to resort to prevaricated statements in relation to Islam consistently refer to this notion. It indicates a few things: primarily, such individuals have failed to independently research, and clearly have to rely on others for their "information". It is disappointing (but typical) to see those individuals have failed to adhere to the Islamic principle of gaining knowledge - "it is obligatory to gain knowledge" or "an hours contemplation is better than a years worship". Secondly, they partake in a great injustice against what the facts stipulate. Thirdly, you slander the genuine teachings of Muhammad as a result.

This does not apply simply to this topic but to several. I would suggest you look beyond the mass media for your information, embrace the idea "knowledge is power", and attempt to gain some.

Sure, i agree 100% with you Farhana, let's start with your post. This quote that is attributed to Muhammad:

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an hours contemplation is better than a years worship

Where are you getting that from? Is that a Sunni Hadith? What is the source?

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Reply #35 - December 06, 2012, 10:49 PM

Baihaqi amongst others related such hadith.
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Reply #36 - December 06, 2012, 10:50 PM

The media covers what suits them. They overlook the vast majority of scholars who approach this notion in a highly critical manner.
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Reply #37 - December 09, 2012, 07:28 PM

Justa question..... Does "viginity" was the Only factor which drive muslims or the number of virgin................. other the Aisha and kadhija........... in islam every one can f888ck evry one. so where is MORAL... you give your dauther n sister to get high status on islam and yet u get fucked like FATIMA............. LOL........... when the so called prophet was dead... people were more interested in his wealth the his body/....................... ............ i mean .. heloo............. but,,,,,,,,,,,,, really HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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Reply #38 - December 09, 2012, 09:10 PM

on ther other hand... if Mo had been in this situation like 21st centuary so he might have promised "unlimited 3G, Iphone, macbook and yeah 4G for Muslims... facebook fuck and so on... yeah prophecy at it best... lovedit"

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Reply #39 - December 09, 2012, 09:22 PM

[quote author=Devil Never Cry link=topic=18005.msg651293#msg651293 date=1355081330]
Justa question..... Does "viginity" was the Only factor which drive muslims or the number of virgin................. other the Aisha and kadhija........... in islam every one can f888ck evry one. so where is MORAL... you give your dauther n sister to get high status on islam and yet u get fucked like FATIMA............. LOL........... when the so called prophet was dead... people were more interested in his wealth the his body/....................... :lipsrsealed:............ i mean .. heloo............. but,,,,,,,,,,,,, really HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[/quote][quote author=Devil Never Cry link=topic=18005.msg651386#msg651386 date=1355087409]
on ther other hand... if Mo had been in this situation like 21st centuary so he might have promised "unlimited 3G, Iphone, macbook and yeah 4G for Muslims... facebook fuck and so on... yeah prophecy at it best... lovedit"

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Reply #40 - December 09, 2012, 09:32 PM

Quote from: Farhana on December 04, 2012, 09:17 PM
Typical response; ignoring the facts and resorting to mindless statements.

In Islam however, it is obligatory upon one to educate themselves. Maybe you should invest some time in honing those poor literacy skills of yours, if you failed to acknowledge those points I raised in my posts.

My literacy skills are refined by reading your posts, Farhana

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Reply #41 - December 09, 2012, 09:57 PM

@Billy

as i hoped.
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Reply #42 - December 09, 2012, 10:00 PM

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Quote from: billy on December 09, 2012, 09:32 PM
My literacy skills are refined by reading your posts, Farhana

Quote from: Farhana on December 09, 2012, 09:57 PM
@Billy

as i hoped.

Goooood ., teach billy some literacy skills.. he is bothering me Farhana..

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Reply #43 - January 12, 2013, 07:51 AM

Allah's a real pimp
"Come up to paradise bro, we've got bitches 'n' alcohol 'n'shit"!

I wonder what's your wife supposed to be doing while you're enjoying your virgins. Watch? Have sex with male virgins? I seriously wonder.
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Reply #44 - January 12, 2013, 04:57 PM

Quote from: Farhana on December 04, 2012, 09:17 PM
Typical response; ignoring the facts and resorting to mindless statements.

In Islam however, it is obligatory upon one to educate themselves. Maybe you should invest some time in honing those poor literacy skills of yours, if you failed to acknowledge those points I raised in my posts.

I agree that we should have emphasis educating ourselves independantly. The problem you have within the bounds of Islamic theology, their is not one 'True' Islam, it is quite frankily opinions. As all we have available are interpretations of interpretations, how are you discerning one from the other when their is no objective 'true' version. Unless you follow Quran alone, The very fact we have schools of thought which promote 72 virgins and those who don't, who is right. Do believers get them or not. Or is it that people will know from personal feeling what is right.

Muslims always argue that a person needs to get more education when their is disagreement between them or others. I ask the following to you.
How much Islam do we need to understand before we have the right to say it is nonsense, for which you would not repeat that we need to get educated/lack understanding?

I ask this because it always comes to a point where Muslims fail to realise that people can understand your theology just fine and not buy in to it without having been influenced externally (jinn, devil, Jew/zionist/freemasons etc).

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Reply #45 - January 13, 2013, 05:47 AM

Quote from: e-raja on January 12, 2013, 04:57 PM
How much Islam do we need to understand before we have the right to say it is nonsense, for which you would not repeat that we need to get educated/lack understanding?

That's true, when you haven't read the Quran and don't believe they'll say "read the Quran"
When you do read it and still don't buy it "you gotta read it in arabic!!"
When you read it in arabic "you have to read it with tafsir"
When you do all the above "you have to read the hadith also"

But then the question becomes this: have muslims studied all the other religions? Have they read all the texts from greek mythology? In ancient greek? With "tafsir"? If not, how can they claim they don't believe it?

Double standards...

My take on the question of the 72 virgins is that the number 72 isn't mentioned in the Quran. And I think if God wanted to say we had 72 virgins he simply would have mentionned it, period. He had an entire book to say so instead of repeating the same stories about Moses and Ad and Thamud over and over.
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Reply #46 - January 27, 2013, 06:05 PM

Quote from: Infinity on January 12, 2013, 07:51 AM
Allah's a real pimp
"Come up to paradise bro, we've got bitches 'n' alcohol 'n'shit"!

I wonder what's your wife supposed to be doing while you're enjoying your virgins. Watch?.

I can just imagine salafis replying with

"Oh you believing men your wives will enjoy watching because in jannah it will be like porn and porn is halal for women in jannah. Indeed the prophet said "porn and alcohol of jannah is not like the porn and alcohol on earth brother. It is pure. And both you and your wife will be satisfied. Indeed the best of you women is she who enjoys watching her husband pleasure himself with the hoursis. "

Mashallah

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