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9/10/11 event
OP - August 26, 2011, 01:44 AM

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Reply #1 - August 26, 2011, 02:16 AM

Id go if I was in DC

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #2 - August 26, 2011, 02:40 AM

So...I'm assuming BYOB

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Reply #3 - August 26, 2011, 11:26 AM

Makes little sense. How are you going to change the perception of Islam by having an event thats pretty darn expensive and only going to attract people that have your beliefs anyway?

Also why are we having a get together of muslims in DC during that time period? seems like for security purposes its not a great idea.

I wish parents everywhere could remove their veil of religion and see their kids for whom they actually are.
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Reply #4 - August 26, 2011, 11:32 AM

I typed in the wrong website
http://unitedforchange.org/
instead of
http://unitedforchange.com

wonder if this is a coincidence?

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Re: 9/10/11 event
Reply #5 - August 26, 2011, 11:37 AM

Quote from: 7amzah on August 26, 2011, 01:44 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hNtcfQL0gc&feature=channel_video_title

allahu akbar, this 10 year celebration of our heroic 19 bruzzers will be.. OFF DA HOOK

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Reply #6 - August 26, 2011, 11:48 AM

http://www.unitedforchange.com/2011/04/19/united-we-stand-one-nation-one-destiny/

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This conference, which will be held on the eve of September 11, 2011, in Washington DC, promises to be an event of great historical and intellectual significance. We can begin to arrest the forces of hatred, but only if we act, swiftly, intelligently and in a united fashion.

just what the hell is THAT supposed to mean?

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Reply #7 - August 26, 2011, 11:51 AM

Quote from: Jesus Christ on August 26, 2011, 11:37 AM
allahu akbar, this 10 year celebration of our heroic 19 bruzzers will be.. OFF DA HOOK

what are the odds this how it gets portrayed in the right wing blogsphere?

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #8 - August 26, 2011, 12:10 PM

Quote from: deusvult on August 26, 2011, 11:51 AM
what are the odds this how it gets portrayed in the right wing blogsphere?

That's EXACTLY what will happen.

Muslims are either immensely stupid or are trolling hard. First the ground zero mosque and now this event on 9/11. I'm pretty sure they all know how an islamic events near this date is going to percieved.

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Reply #9 - August 26, 2011, 02:29 PM

9/11 wounds are really deep and its going to take much more than shoving religious correctness and interpretations in our faces to make up. United means everyone, Jews Christians, atheists, agnostics etc. I doubt they are openly welcomed.

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Reply #10 - August 26, 2011, 03:06 PM

Quote from: Jesus Christ on August 26, 2011, 12:10 PM
That's EXACTLY what will happen.

These Muslims are either immensely stupid or are trolling hard.

Agreed 100% with the above bolded edit.

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the ground zero mosque and now this event on 9/11.

Not sure I'd lump those two together.

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Reply #11 - August 26, 2011, 03:14 PM

Well I just think that if Muslims are really sincere they'd stay the fuck away from 9/11. Or at least keep any notion of Islam away from 9/11 instead of using it as a cheap attempt at proselytization which is exactly what events like this and the ground zero mosque are.. they aren't attempts to build bridges but are attempts to preach a religion, the same religion in whose name 3000 people were murdered.

I'm not saying that American Muslims need to bow their heads in shame and feel apologetic for 9/11.. not one of them was involved in 9/11 so that's not the issue. But they should have the common decency to understand that even if how americans feel are not fair to them.. any attempt to reconcile Islam with 9/11 or Ground Zero will always be view by a majority of Americans as nothing but pouring salt on a deep deep wound.

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Reply #12 - August 26, 2011, 03:21 PM

What concerns me with American muslims is the "us" and "them"
mentality, that has gone on for decades before 9/11.

While there are exceptions, for the most part, they make
no effort to interact with the gen pop of their area. They
choose to segragate, for either religious purposes, cultural
purposes, or both. I even saw it in my own masjid.

How do non muslims eliviate fears or mustrust if they don't
have the first clue about people, who isolate themselves from
the rest of society as much as possible?

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Reply #13 - August 26, 2011, 03:24 PM

I dunno J&T. I've been to the states plenty and interacted with the Muslim community a lot, especially in Virginia. They seem like a very educated, adapted, and well adjusted bunch. Maybe I only interacted with the better ones perhaps.

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Reply #14 - August 26, 2011, 03:52 PM

There is always going to be a certain degree of insularity in immigrant minority groups, especially recent emigrants.

All minorities have to guard against over-insularity because excessive insularity ultimately harms them most of all.

A certain amount of insularity is not a bad thing - if it comes from a culture of getting your head down and working hard so your children can do well, that is just the process of integration and acculturation.

But its a balance that does have to be observed from both sides.

The question comes when some ideologies tend to actively promote insularity and disdain for wider society. In the UK, Deobandi / Jamaati / Salafi / Tableegi Islam have done great damage to Muslims themselves by promoting insularity and suspicion and hostility towards non Muslims and wider society, especially in already stratified parts of the country like the northern cities and towns.

I don't know if that applies in America because I don't know enough, but I do know that this kind of Islamic theology or attitude is divisive and reactionary.

So a certain degree of inwardness is not unhealthy per se (look how Chinese immigrants follow a pattern of insular hard working first generation followed by high achieving second generation who enter the middle class through high academic / professional attainment), but when there are hostile barriers to integration, whether religious, cultural or identity-politics wise, that alter this trajectory, then it becomes a problem.

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Reply #15 - August 26, 2011, 04:05 PM

Billy.. my dad's parents were both immigrants, and I know how hard
they worked, against all odds to help my dad and uncles/aunts beat
the odds of poverty, and have a free and successful life. They escaped
from serious oppression.

I also know about the "tribalism" within the factions of the town where
they wound up moving to and living. Mainly it was because of the
language barriers, neither of them spoke english when they moved here.

You really put quite eloquently, the gist of what I was trying to say.
Thanks for that LOL.

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Reply #16 - August 26, 2011, 04:31 PM

Quote from: Jesus Christ on August 26, 2011, 03:24 PM
I dunno J&T. I've been to the states plenty and interacted with the Muslim community a lot, especially in Virginia. They seem like a very educated, adapted, and well adjusted bunch. Maybe I only interacted with the better ones perhaps.

the economic profile for a Muslim in America is actually higher than the average non Muslim in the US. Most polls show Muslims are more patriotic and identify more with the US than the average American does. The odds of ant kind of separatist movement in the US is 0. The most likely way it would happen is with dumb duck evangelists advocating a us v them attitude that forces Muslims to coalesce behind a Muslim identity as opposed to an American one.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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