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  • Muslim family terrorized after one of them marries a Christian
     OP - August 05, 2011, 10:59 AM
    A family of albino Muslims are being terrorised by bigots because their daughter married a man from another religion.
    The so-called 'honour' retribution has included smashed windows at their Coventry home, vandalised cars and death threats.

    Aslam Parvez, 53, blames members of the Muslim community who believe the family have been dishonoured by his daughter's marriage.
    The hate campaign started five months ago when a national magazine published an article on albinos which featured Naseem, who no longer lives in Coventry and has little contact with her family.
    It revealed how she has married a Christian, goes to church and is expecting her second child with her husband.

    Mr Parvez says copies of the article were quickly spread maliciously, and were posted on walls near their house and through the doors of Muslim homes in the community.
    Mr Parvez says he has received numerous death threats and has spent hundreds of pounds installing security cameras around his house.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2022326/Family-albino-Muslims-terrorised-marries-Christian-man.html
  • Re: Muslim family terrorized after one of them marries a Christian
     Reply #1 - August 05, 2011, 01:34 PM
    Cowards.

    Things like this makes it look like the Muslims are terrified.
    Bukhari 62:142 - Narrated Anas bin Malik:
       The Prophet used to pass by (have sexual relation with) all his wives in one night, and at that time he had nine wives.
  • Re: Muslim family terrorized after one of them marries a Christian
     Reply #2 - August 05, 2011, 01:54 PM
    Quote from: Stefan Udrea on August 05, 2011, 10:59 AM
    A family of albino Muslims are being terrorised by ..
     
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2022326/Family-albino-Muslims-terrorised-marries-Christian-man.html



    The family have faced hatred after it was revealed a member had married a Christian man. Pictured from left to right (back) Ghulam Ali, Haider Ali and Mohammed Rafi and front Shameem and Aslam Pavez
     

    aughter Naseem Akhtar married a Christian and spoke about her life in a magazine

    Quote
    'I know deep in my heart that I am a good man. God will judge you for what you've done to us.' Mr Parvez was born in Pakistan and moved to Coventry at the age of 10 to join his family. He later met and married his Shameem, who is also an albino.

    Their six children inherited their parents' condition, which causes an absence of pigmentation and partial sightedness. Mr Parvez says their condition has meant they have been subjected to ridicule, but recent events have made their lives unbearable.

    'I've always had it bad,' Mr Parvez said. 'I was called names when I went to school and then when I went to work.

     It is clear people like Parvez do face a terrible discrimination in the lands like "Land of Pure" where 95% of public know very little about Albinism..   But this happening in UK means it is something else.. For such people Christianity or Buddhism is a better religions than Islam.,

    Islam only like HEROES that kill or get killed for allah muhammad.

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Muslim family terrorized after one of them marries a Christian
     Reply #3 - August 05, 2011, 02:56 PM


    Is anyone surprised by this? There are some communities here in which the mentality towards ideas of personal freedom of conscience and apostacy are not very far removed, if at all removed, from the very most reactionary ideas current in the Muslim world. What else do you expect when the type of Islam that is practised, and the cultural attitudes surrounding it are informed by, to put it plainly, extremely backwards types of religiosity?

    This poor girl has exercised her freedom of conscience, converted to Christianity, spoken about it, and her family (who have ostracised her for her choice) are persecuted and receive death threats. And this is in England, not in Asia or the middle east!

    Its the old problem of the lack of reciprocity. Islam prosletyses, is triumphalist about prosletysation, but demands that anyone who leaves or dissents from Islam be threatened, persecuted, and accepts that it is divine for that person to be killed for their 'crime' in certain circumstances. The next time a newspaper carries reports about how Islam is the fastest growing religion, and one hundred thousand people are converting to Islam every week, and all that usual dawah-ganda this needs to be highlighted over and over again.

    There is no other way to say it, this is highly sinister and menacing, and it is just one of the sources for disquiet about the lack of liberal space, and some of the dynamics and attitudes of Islam in our society today.
     
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  • Re: Muslim family terrorized after one of them marries a Christian
     Reply #4 - August 05, 2011, 03:08 PM
    The worst of it all is that almost no one is surprised by this. It happens in all Western countries  finmad. And although I don't support scaremongering, I understand those people.
    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: Muslim family terrorized after one of them marries a Christian
     Reply #5 - August 05, 2011, 03:23 PM
    I posted this link on our Islamic Chat Channel... the response was:  oh its the DM ... conspiracy against Muslims to show that Islam is bad , its nothing to do with Islam, its just the papers sensualising the news and exaggerating it...blah blah blah/  fingers in ears !!
    Teach us to care and not to care / Teach us to sit still.
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  • Re: Muslim family terrorized after one of them marries a Christian
     Reply #6 - August 05, 2011, 03:44 PM
    Knowing Islam, what else did you expect?  Wink
    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: Muslim family terrorized after one of them marries a Christian
     Reply #7 - August 09, 2011, 12:30 AM
    Well of course, the main way Islam ( and any religion) is kept alive is by ensuring no outside influence/ corruption by keeping Muslims closed in their own communities as much as possible and prohibiting intermingling. I mean God forbid some Muslims find out about other alternative lifestyles and outside views about Islam, like what happened to most of ex-Muslims here. Also, I bet if it was a Muslim man who married a Christian girl, the community wouldn't be in such a sour mood. Is it some kind of ego blow to Muslim men to know that a Muslim woman would rather marry a non-Muslim than them. Seriously. It's similar behave to male monkeys who resort to threats and violence to keep the female of their choice Roll Eyes.  
    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Re: Muslim family terrorized after one of them marries a Christian
     Reply #8 - August 30, 2011, 05:23 PM
    ^ A Muslim man can marry a Christian woman. It's not haraam. But a Muslim woman cannot marry a Christian man.

    One of the stupidest justifications I've ever seen for that was:

    - A Muslim man would respect his Christian wife's faith (because Muslims "BELIEVE IN JESUS TOO!!!!11!one!!1!"), so there can still be love in their relationship
    - A Christian man would not respect his Muslim wife's faith, which would cause tensions

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Muslim family terrorized after one of them marries a Christian
     Reply #9 - August 31, 2011, 05:18 AM
    Quote from: Sakura02 on August 09, 2011, 12:30 AM
    Also, I bet if it was a Muslim man who married a Christian girl, the community wouldn't be in such a sour mood.


    You mean there is a WIDESPREAD antagonism towards these poor folk in the MUSLIM COMMUNITY as a whole? It's not just confined to an unrepresentative minority of "Islamists", "Wahaabists", "Salafists", "radicalized YOUTH" etc etc? I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT - particularly when Hassan says "There are many different traditions and interpretations and many personal versions of Islam that differ from Muslim to Muslim." SOURCE

    Quote
    Is it some kind of ego blow to Muslim men to know that a Muslim woman would rather marry a non-Muslim than them. Seriously. It's similar behave to male monkeys who resort to threats and violence to keep the female of their choice Roll Eyes.  


    The prohibition on Kuffar marrying Muslim women is straight out of the Qur'an. This is the nasty reality of "Cultural Islam", which the vast majority here would have the world believe means "Islam sans sharia".
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Muslim family terrorized after one of them marries a Christian
     Reply #10 - August 31, 2011, 08:11 AM
    Quote from: DH on August 31, 2011, 05:18 AM
    You mean there is a WIDESPREAD antagonism towards these poor folk in the MUSLIM COMMUNITY as a whole? It's not just confined to an unrepresentative minority of "Islamists", "Wahaabists", "Salafists", "radicalized YOUTH" etc etc? I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT - particularly when Hassan says "There are many different traditions and interpretations and many personal versions of Islam that differ from Muslim to Muslim." SOURCE

    The prohibition on Kuffar marrying Muslim women is straight out of the Qur'an. This is the nasty reality of "Cultural Islam", which the vast majority here would have the world believe means "Islam sans sharia".

    Hi.. DH.. that is a cute post., but what is THAT LINK HAS TO DO WITH QURAN and this marriage of Albino Muslim lady with a Christian??

    You write strange posts., Would you be happy if CEMB is closed down??
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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Muslim family terrorized after one of them marries a Christian
     Reply #11 - September 01, 2011, 05:36 AM
    @Yeezevee^:

    THAT LINK points to the source of the quote from Hassan. Implicit in the statement is that the vast majority of Muslims follow their own "nice" non-jihad, non-sharia version of Islam. That there appears to be widespread antagonism towards these albinos from their "faith community" on account of their daughter's crime seems to call Hassan's assertion into question.
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Muslim family terrorized after one of them marries a Christian
     Reply #12 - September 01, 2011, 05:38 AM
    BTW, the lack of comment on this matter compared with a MORE RECENT ONE ON THE EDL is very telling.
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Muslim family terrorized after one of them marries a Christian
     Reply #13 - September 01, 2011, 11:47 AM
    O noes. We've been sussed. Never mind that the number of posters is roughly the same and it's just the same people posting on the other read, roight? I missed your incredible cognitive powers DH.
  • Re: Muslim family terrorized after one of them marries a Christian
     Reply #14 - September 01, 2011, 11:54 AM
    Is there another source though? The daily fail doesn't have a good track record.
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: Muslim family terrorized after one of them marries a Christian
     Reply #15 - September 02, 2011, 04:48 AM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on September 01, 2011, 11:47 AM
    O noes. We've been sussed. Never mind that the number of posters is roughly the same and it's just the same people posting on the other read, roight? I missed your incredible cognitive powers DH.


    Well if by "the same" you mean "3X as many" posts on the EDL thread as this one, I can't argue with that! Furthermore, the number of comments on that thread exceeded ON ITS DAY OF COMMENCEMENT what it has taken best part of A MONTH for this one to draw - and that includes the above 3 comments from me + this.

    What are your thoughts on this apparently COMMUNITY-WIDE acquiescence in this campaign of harassment against these poor people Prince?
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Muslim family terrorized after one of them marries a Christian
     Reply #16 - September 02, 2011, 04:54 AM
    Number of posts =! anything except for number of posts
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Muslim family terrorized after one of them marries a Christian
     Reply #17 - September 02, 2011, 09:17 AM
    Deusvult, do you think there is a deeper problem manifesting itself in the situation of this victimized family that cannot be simply explained away with the usual "Islamist" culprit?
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Muslim family terrorized after one of them marries a Christian
     Reply #18 - September 02, 2011, 03:22 PM
    Quote from: DH on September 02, 2011, 04:48 AM
    Well if by "the same" you mean "3X as many" posts on the EDL thread as this one,

     Cheesy

    Every time I think you've scraped the bottom of the stupid barrel... you go and surprise me. Take a deep breath, count to to ten, and think about what it is that I actually said and what it is that you're saying. Ok?
  • Re: Muslim family terrorized after one of them marries a Christian
     Reply #19 - September 03, 2011, 10:28 AM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza
    Every time I think you've scraped the bottom of the stupid barrel... you go and surprise me. Take a deep breath, count to to ten, and think about what it is that I actually said and what it is that you're saying. Ok?


    You referred to the number of postERS. The issue I raised was the number of COMMENTS ie POSTS each article drew respectively. You were trying to change the issue in order to play down the disparity, which naturally I was not going to play along with.

    Furthermore, the lack of comment on the plight of these poor people by Hassan and Q-man in particular is itself worth highlighting. Noteworthy also, is your own readiness to jump in on this month-old thread when you sense the opportunity to score a cheap point against me, yet you have had nothing to say about the persecution of this family with the seeming acquiescence of the wider "community". Perhaps then you'd like to remedy this by addressing my above question to Deusvult which he has opted to ignore.
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Muslim family terrorized after one of them marries a Christian
     Reply #20 - September 03, 2011, 03:19 PM
    Quote from: DH on September 02, 2011, 09:17 AM
    Deusvult, do you think there is a deeper problem manifesting itself in the situation of this victimized family that cannot be simply explained away with the usual "Islamist" culprit?


    Not exactly sure how there is a deeper problem.  When I did missionary work I was threatened with a knife and punched in several occasions by several people out of fear of "converting" family members.  Likewise parents would forbid their young adult children from talking to us.  Several coverts faced discrimination as well.  Former friends would quite talking to them, stop visiting their stores, remove their children from the same schools as converts.  And this was after over 100 years of a large presence of my former religion in that country.

    When missionaries first wanted to go to the country I went to, they were denied multiple times by the government and missionaries that did go informally were jailed and kicked out.  After they were given permission from the government priests would organize riots to chase the missionaries out of town, burning down their houses they were renting and evicting any converts they made.  This was in the country I went too.

    Originally in the US missionaries were tarred and feathers and mobs would continuously chase them out of town with threats of violence.  Late night beating were common and missionaries got used to getting beat up.

    All of this occurred and occurs in the context of Protestant and Catholic Christianity in the last century and continuing  to this day.  I don't think Christianity as anything uniquely bad about it that can't be explained away. 

    I think the decree that Muslim women can't marry Christians in Islam is absolutely horrible and transmogrifies itself into a strong long standing social taboo inter faith marriage and interfaith socializing in the particular Muslim Christian configuration  leading people to take violent action which is what I think is happening here, if true.  But I don't think this reaction is something uniquely Islamic or even far removed for society in general and it must be combated openly and aggressively though openness and awareness of the issues at hand and offering protection from violence and intimidation while arresting and curtailing those that do. 
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Muslim family terrorized after one of them marries a Christian
     Reply #21 - September 03, 2011, 04:33 PM
    Quote from: DH on September 03, 2011, 10:28 AM
    You referred to the number of postERS.

    Got there in the end I see. Afro

    Quote
    The issue I raised was the number of COMMENTS ie POSTS each article drew respectively. You were trying to change the issue in order to play down the disparity, which naturally I was not going to play along with.

    Oh yeah, I'm sure when you directly inferred that I meant the number of posts was the same, you were actually just 'not playing along' and are now not trying to play down your goof. Naturally.

    Your original point still of course being a non-issue. Neither thread had many comments, an argument was sparked on the other thread, it wasn't on this, but the number of respondents is the same. Deusvult has it right.

    Quote
    Furthermore, the lack of comment on the plight of these poor people by Hassan and Q-man in particular is itself worth highlighting.

     Oh I'm sure it is. If only we had more people like you crying rivers at the plight of these poor people. But alas, the rest of us lack your moral fibre.

    Quote
    Noteworthy also, is your own readiness to jump in on this month-old thread when you sense the opportunity to score a cheap point against me

     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

    I'm sorry, what the fuck are your posts in this thread if not a readiness to jump into this month old thread when you sensed an opportunity to score cheap points? Oh god, please don't ever change DH.  Kiss

    Quote
    yet you have had nothing to say about the persecution of this family with the seeming acquiescence of the wider "community".

    What can I say, I'm a bad person. Stay away from me.
    Quote
    Perhaps then you'd like to remedy this by addressing my above question to Deusvult which he has opted to ignore.

    Yeah I'm tottaleh gonna do that. Really.
  • Re: Muslim family terrorized after one of them marries a Christian
     Reply #22 - September 05, 2011, 05:06 AM
    Quote from: deusvult on September 03, 2011, 03:19 PM
    Not exactly sure how there is a deeper problem.  When I did missionary work I was threatened with a knife and punched in several occasions by several people out of fear of "converting" family members.  Likewise parents would forbid their young adult children from talking to us.  Several coverts faced discrimination as well.  Former friends would quite talking to them, stop visiting their stores, remove their children from the same schools as converts.  And this was after over 100 years of a large presence of my former religion in that country.

    When missionaries first wanted to go to the country I went to, they were denied multiple times by the government and missionaries that did go informally were jailed and kicked out.  After they were given permission from the government priests would organize riots to chase the missionaries out of town, burning down their houses they were renting and evicting any converts they made.  This was in the country I went too.

    Originally in the US missionaries were tarred and feathers and mobs would continuously chase them out of town with threats of violence.  Late night beating were common and missionaries got used to getting beat up.

    All of this occurred and occurs in the context of Protestant and Catholic Christianity in the last century and continuing  to this day.  I don't think Christianity as anything uniquely bad about it that can't be explained away. 

    I think the decree that Muslim women can't marry Christians in Islam is absolutely horrible and transmogrifies itself into a strong long standing social taboo inter faith marriage and interfaith socializing in the particular Muslim Christian configuration  leading people to take violent action which is what I think is happening here, if true.  But I don't think this reaction is something uniquely Islamic or even far removed for society in general and it must be combated openly and aggressively though openness and awareness of the issues at hand and offering protection from violence and intimidation while arresting and curtailing those that do. 


    I take it you were a mormon Deusvult?
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Muslim family terrorized after one of them marries a Christian
     Reply #23 - September 05, 2011, 05:34 AM
    Yea
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
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  • Re: Muslim family terrorized after one of them marries a Christian
     Reply #24 - September 05, 2011, 05:49 AM
    Deusvult? Why do you think Joseph Smith drew such hostility from the wider public that some were prepared to go so far as to kill him?
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Muslim family terrorized after one of them marries a Christian
     Reply #25 - September 05, 2011, 06:20 AM
    Various reasons.  It was something different and therefore dangerous,  religious beliefs that Joseph Smith was preaching paganism, the self assertion with which he claimed to know various religious "truths", vague menacing procurement like " the chafe will be cleaned from the wheat", Mormon leaders and members desire for political power, and the various bouts of violence that occurred around them. 
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Muslim family terrorized after one of them marries a Christian
     Reply #26 - September 05, 2011, 01:15 PM
    Quote from: deusvult
    Various reasons.  It was something different and therefore dangerous,  religious beliefs that Joseph Smith was preaching paganism, the self assertion with which he claimed to know various religious "truths", vague menacing procurement like " the chafe will be cleaned from the wheat", Mormon leaders and members desire for political power, and the various bouts of violence that occurred around them.


    I think you've said enough there to show that your comparison between the "persecution" of the Mormons in the 19th century USA and the persecution being endured by the subject family of this thread is spurious.

    Coming back to your statement:

    Quote
    Likewise parents would forbid their young adult children from talking to us.


    So you were targetting "young adults" for conversion. What age range are you talking about here?
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Muslim family terrorized after one of them marries a Christian
     Reply #27 - September 05, 2011, 01:46 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on September 03, 2011, 04:33 PM
    Got there in the end I see. Afro
    Oh yeah, I'm sure when you directly inferred that I meant the number of posts was the same, you were actually just 'not playing along' and are now not trying to play down your goof. Naturally.

    Your original point still of course being a non-issue. Neither thread had many comments, an argument was sparked on the other thread, it wasn't on this, but the number of respondents is the same. Deusvult has it right.
     Oh I'm sure it is. If only we had more people like you crying rivers at the plight of these poor people. But alas, the rest of us lack your moral fibre.
     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

    I'm sorry, what the fuck are your posts in this thread if not a readiness to jump into this month old thread when you sensed an opportunity to score cheap points? Oh god, please don't ever change DH.  Kiss
    What can I say, I'm a bad person. Stay away from me.Yeah I'm tottaleh gonna do that. Really.


    The reams of words you are prepared to bang out on this thread when you see an opportunity to get one over on ol' DH compared to your previous glaring silence on the plight of this persecuted family is indeed quite startling! I'll tell you what. Touché to you for that last post. Ya got me there! Would you now at least care to express solidarity with these poor people against their persecutors and the wider community of which they are a part which is clearly content to acquiesce in these heinous goings on?
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Muslim family terrorized after one of them marries a Christian
     Reply #28 - September 05, 2011, 01:49 PM
     Crap

     eusa_boohoo
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  • Re: Muslim family terrorized after one of them marries a Christian
     Reply #29 - September 05, 2011, 01:59 PM
    Quote from: DH on September 05, 2011, 01:46 PM
    The reams of words you are prepared to bang out on this thread when you see an opportunity to get one over on ol' DH compared to your previous glaring silence on the plight of this persecuted family is indeed quite startling! I'll tell you what. Touché to you for that last post. Ya got me there! Would you now at least care to express solidarity with these poor people against their persecutors and the wider community of which they are a part which is clearly content to acquiesce in these heinous goings on?

    I'll leave the gaudiness to you.
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