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 Topic: Pedophilia and current rationalizations

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  • Re: Pedophilia and current rationalizations
     Reply #90 - September 28, 2011, 11:03 AM
    Bump.

    Meh, i couldnt be arsed about all the pedantics,semantics and cultural norms argument.

    I mean for 54 year old man to bonk a pre-pubescent 9 year old girl that plays with doll,hasnt had her period yet or even form boobies and round ass, I say he is a Pedophile. #EndOf
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  • Re: Pedophilia and current rationalizations
     Reply #91 - September 28, 2011, 06:02 PM
    Quote from: allat on July 03, 2011, 12:07 PM
    Quite typical, I'd say. When they have no arguments left, most ideologues resort to ad-hominems.

    That and the old party line of theists everywhere: it is not for us to understand the mind of god. We just obey.
  • Re: Pedophilia and current rationalizations
     Reply #92 - September 28, 2011, 06:15 PM
    Hope I dont upset anybody

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7456588.stm    - Homosexuals have different brains

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7006628.stm - Paedophiles have different brains

    Haven't read the thread through so this aspect might have been discussed

    Persoanlly don't think the Prophet was a peadophile, yes the idea of 50 odd year bloke with a pre-pubescent girl is sickening but imo if he was an out and out peadophile, surely is harem would have had a few underage girls, most of wives were quite old, if i remember correctly the next youngest was 17?

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Pedophilia and current rationalizations
     Reply #93 - September 28, 2011, 06:27 PM
    Aisha was his favourite wife, the one he cared for the most and spent most time with. Also, the word paedophile doesn't mean that you're exclusively attracted to underage kids, simply that you are. Let's not forget what nine-year-olds usually look like:







    If someone's attracted to a girl that looks anything like that then, yes, they're a a paedophile.
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  • Re: Pedophilia and current rationalizations
     Reply #94 - September 28, 2011, 06:34 PM
    I am not here to defend his sexual life, just being rational, that if I was a peadophile and had the level of hold that the prophet had in his time,(and by all accounts he was highly-sexed) and ergo could sleep/marry to whom I wished, I would have had a bevy of prepubescent girls.

    But the ages of his other wives were mature.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Pedophilia and current rationalizations
     Reply #95 - September 28, 2011, 06:42 PM
    Absolutely. Power is a great test of morality. If you had the power to do anything you wanted, would you go around getting your fix (whatever it is)? He obviously did. That, to me, speaks of moral bankruptcy. Or possibly Moral IVA.
  • Re: Pedophilia and current rationalizations
     Reply #96 - September 28, 2011, 06:58 PM
    Quote from: devilsadvokat on September 28, 2011, 06:15 PM
    Hope I dont upset anybody

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7456588.stm    - Homosexuals have different brains

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7006628.stm - Paedophiles have different brains

    Haven't read the thread through so this aspect might have been discussed

    Persoanlly don't think the Prophet was a peadophile,yes the idea of 50 odd year bloke with a pre-pubescent girl is sickening but imo if he was an out and out peadophile, surely is harem would have had a few underage girls, most of wives were quite old, if i remember correctly the next youngest was 17?




    Whatchu Talkin about  Huh?
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  • Re: Pedophilia and current rationalizations
     Reply #97 - September 28, 2011, 07:15 PM
    Naija Infidel

    post 235
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Pedophilia and current rationalizations
     Reply #98 - September 28, 2011, 07:25 PM
    I know what you said, i was just wondering if you have any idea on what you are talking about, you said you dont think he was a pedophile personally.

    Quote from: devilsadvokat on September 28, 2011, 06:34 PM
    I am not here to defend his sexual life, just being rational, that if I was a peadophile and had the level of hold that the prophet had in his time,(and by all accounts he was highly-sexed) and ergo could sleep/marry to whom I wished, I would have had a bevy of prepubescent girls.

    But the ages of his other wives were mature.




    Now you have contradict yourself Grin
    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

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  • Re: Pedophilia and current rationalizations
     Reply #99 - September 28, 2011, 07:31 PM
    Err

    Imo if he(the Prophet) was a peadophile(out and out) and knowing his hold and power he had, toss in the fact that by all accounts he was highly-sexed, surely his harem (wives) would have had more than one under-age girl.

    By all accounts his other wives were mature/older.
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Pedophilia and current rationalizations
     Reply #100 - September 28, 2011, 07:38 PM
    Its just semantics devilsadvokat. He may not have been a clinical "pedophile" but he still engaged in pedophilia.
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  • Re: Pedophilia and current rationalizations
     Reply #101 - September 28, 2011, 07:46 PM
    Not denying it.

    More than semantics though.

    The age is still under dispute - in those days, don't think thay had a tween/teen age, just like Victorian times you were a boy then a man , no in between - like youth/teenager

    Doesn't seem to have left Ayesha with any mental/distress/victimisation.

    By all accounts she went on to be a notable individual in Islamic history.
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Pedophilia and current rationalizations
     Reply #102 - September 28, 2011, 07:52 PM
    Pedophilia According DSM-IV-TR
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    A. Over a period of at least six months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger).
    B. The person has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies caused marked distress or interpersonal difficulty.

    C. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A.

    Note: This does not include an individual in late adolescence involved in an ongoing sexual relationship with a 12- or 13-year-old.
    Diagnostic Critiera for Pedophilia
    Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, Psychiatry Online


    As far as im concerned he has met all those three criteria,i dont care how many matured wives he has,the fact that he has bonked a 9 year old girl not only once, but many times and she was his favourite among all his wives proves that he is a pedophile.

    For more clarification, check this link.
    http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Aisha%27s_Age_of_Consummation

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

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  • Re: Pedophilia and current rationalizations
     Reply #103 - September 28, 2011, 07:57 PM
    So by this logic, if someone murders only 1 person, he is not a murderer. If someone rapes only 1 person, he is not a rapist.

    Riiiiiiiight.
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  • Re: Pedophilia and current rationalizations
     Reply #104 - September 28, 2011, 08:07 PM
    Quote from: devilsadvokat on September 28, 2011, 07:46 PM
    Doesn't seem to have left Ayesha with any mental/distress/victimisation.


    Islamic hagiography is not a defence.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: Pedophilia and current rationalizations
     Reply #105 - September 28, 2011, 08:14 PM
    Mohammed marriage to Ayesha was the exception rather than the rule.

    It would be interesting to see definitions of peadophilia from encyclopedias of the 19/20th century's.

    And folks I am being devilsadvokat signmuahaha (why is there not a better devil emoticon)

    And I suppose if had twelve partners and one was male, the others females - would it make me gay - bi-sexual at worst/best.
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Pedophilia and current rationalizations
     Reply #106 - September 28, 2011, 08:18 PM
    Quote
    Islamic hagiography is not a defence


    Not sure what hagiography means lol but you are willing to believe that she was 9 due to writings/scriptures/hagiography? but not the bits about her being an upstanding/fully participating  member of the Islamic community.
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Pedophilia and current rationalizations
     Reply #107 - September 28, 2011, 08:18 PM
    Quote from: billy on September 28, 2011, 08:07 PM
    Islamic hagiography is not a defence.




    So hadith which portray her as being a confident, intellectual woman who loved her husband, politics/religion aren't good enough but the ones about her being 9 yrs old (assuming she was that age) are?
  • Re: Pedophilia and current rationalizations
     Reply #108 - September 28, 2011, 08:24 PM
    Quote
    And I suppose if had twelve partners and one was male, the others females - would it make me gay - bi-sexual at worst/best.


    Yes, it would make you bisexual.  Duh.  

    As to Mohammed, what he did with Aisha, disgusting as it is to our eyes, was probably normal back in the 7th century.  I think arguing about whether or not he was a paedophile are a bit of a side issue.  The central issue is that Mohammed demonstrates how wrong headed it  really is to take a 7th century person and hold him up as  a perfect example for all time.  
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Pedophilia and current rationalizations
     Reply #109 - September 28, 2011, 08:26 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on September 28, 2011, 08:24 PM
    As to Mohammed, what he did with Aisha, disgusting as it is to our eyes, was probably normal back in the 7th century.  I think arguing about whether or not he was a paedophile are a bit of a side issue.  The central issue is that Mohammed demonstrates how wrong headed it  really is to take a 7th century person and hold him up as  a perfect example for all time.  


    +1

    Well said. 
  • Re: Pedophilia and current rationalizations
     Reply #110 - September 28, 2011, 08:27 PM
    Quote from: Aphrodite on September 28, 2011, 08:18 PM
    So hadith which portray her as being a confident, intellectual woman who loved her husband, politics/religion aren't good enough but the ones about her being 9 yrs old (assuming she was that age) are?



    They are all good enough in my eyes.  That's because girls like Elizabeth Smart and Jaycee Duggard were victimised by paedophiles in their childhoods, and they grew up to be confident, intellectual women.  They even expressed conflicting feelings about their abusers, some of which could be misinterpreted as "love".
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  • Re: Pedophilia and current rationalizations
     Reply #111 - September 28, 2011, 08:34 PM
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    Yes, it would make you bisexual.  Duh


    Doesn't make me gay though. My point being having one 'underage' partner in twelve, doesn't necessarily make you a peadophile.

    Quote
    As to Mohammed, what he did with Aisha, disgusting as it is to our eyes, was probably normal back in the 7th century.  I think arguing about whether or not he was a paedophile are a bit of a side issue.  The central issue is that Mohammed demonstrates how wrong headed it  really is to take a 7th century person and hold him up as  a perfect example for all time.


    Indeed, just used as another stick to beat the Prophet. Not saying there aren't enough sticks to beat him with.


    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Pedophilia and current rationalizations
     Reply #112 - September 28, 2011, 08:35 PM
    Quote from: devilsadvokat on September 28, 2011, 08:34 PM
    Doesn't make me gay though. My point being having one 'underage' partner in twelve, doesn't necessarily make you a peadophile.

    *headdesk*
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  • Re: Pedophilia and current rationalizations
     Reply #113 - September 28, 2011, 08:36 PM
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    So hadith which portray her as being a confident, intellectual woman who loved her husband, politics/religion


    And that is hagiography.

    Saying that by all accounts she had no 'mental distress' as a defence of the consummation of a marriage between a fifty year old man and 9 year old child assumes that any mental distress she might have felt would be described in the body of Islamic narrative - a body that was composed to (by the light of those writing it and perpetuate it) project Muhammad as the most perfect man who ever had and ever shall walk the earth.

    To put it in laymans terms, they would say that, wouldn't they?

    You know, Ayesha is the one that gets most of the attention. Safiyah is the one that distresses me equally when I think about it. Muhammad killed her husband and tribe, and then took her as his wife as war booty. Of course, the hagiography never mentions any mental distress she may have felt at seeing her husband and people killed, and then to have the leader of those who killed them, marry you and have sex with you.

    As with alot in Islamic history, we have to use our imagination in the darkness.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: Pedophilia and current rationalizations
     Reply #114 - September 28, 2011, 08:39 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on September 28, 2011, 08:24 PM
    As to Mohammed, what he did with Aisha, disgusting as it is to our eyes, was probably normal back in the 7th century.  I think arguing about whether or not he was a paedophile are a bit of a side issue.  The central issue is that Mohammed demonstrates how wrong headed it  really is to take a 7th century person and hold him up as  a perfect example for all time.  


    Thats correct. Muhammad's life is the achilles heel of literalist Islam, and the notion that he was the perfect man for eternity whose sunnah must be followed is rendered untenable either by the light of his actions, or the relativising of his actions - if his actions are relative, his conduct and sunnah is therefore not immutable, and a touchstone of Islam is weakened.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on April 30, 2011, 11:33 PM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Pedophilia and current rationalizations
     Reply #115 - September 28, 2011, 08:39 PM
    Quote from: devilsadvokat on September 28, 2011, 08:34 PM
    Doesn't make me gay though. My point being having one 'underage' partner in twelve, doesn't necessarily make you a peadophile.


    banghead
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  • Re: Pedophilia and current rationalizations
     Reply #116 - September 28, 2011, 08:41 PM
    Oi youse lot ganging up on me lol- you know what I mean like I said in my first post on this thread - an out and out peadophile with his power/control would surely have had more than one underage girl in his harem.
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Pedophilia and current rationalizations
     Reply #117 - September 28, 2011, 08:41 PM

    Thats the kind of perverse contortion people go through to exculpate him ^^^

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on April 30, 2011, 11:33 PM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Pedophilia and current rationalizations
     Reply #118 - September 28, 2011, 08:47 PM
    devilsadvokat signmuahaha

    throwing in mitigating circumstances etc

    when i was a fresh athiest twenty years ago I said worse about his character.
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Pedophilia and current rationalizations
     Reply #119 - September 28, 2011, 08:57 PM

    That is definitely throwing in a circumstance, but it doesn't mitigate anything.

    The extraordinary claims made for him being the key thing here.
     
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on April 30, 2011, 11:33 PM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

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