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  • Reading Quran And Inquiring in to Prophet Muhammad's Life from Quran
     Reply #240 - December 03, 2017, 05:24 PM

    Well after reading Quran  so many times still  read quite often there is hardly anything on prophet of  Islam and his life.  Although we can get lot more stories and information from hadith  and its stories  very little is  written i Quran.     But Islamic intellectuals  specially from Pakistan extract  all sorts of information from Quran  on Prophet Muhammad    and they publish often in newspapers.,    With Politics, Elections  and that   "Finality of Prophet-hood of Muhammad (PBUH)"    being the  only important  hot subject in land of pure  where people get killed on it..

    And today Qasim A. Moini    writes On Prophet Muhammad from Quran well  let me  read and lear from it


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    THE Holy Quran has used a number of sublime terms to describe the Blessed Prophet (PBUH). On this day associated with his birth, it would be useful to ponder over some of these metaphysical terms used by the Almighty in His Book about His Prophet to gain a better understanding of the Messenger’s personality, and what lessons these titles hold for mankind.

    In verse 46 of Surah Ahzab, the Almighty describes the Prophet as “an illuminating lamp (Sirajam muneera)”. Just as a lamp dispels darkness, through His Prophet, Allah seeks to illuminate the souls of mankind.

    At another place in the Holy Book, the Creator has termed the Prophet “a mercy to the worlds” (21:107). It is worth noting that here the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful is describing the Prophet as a manifestation of His mercy.

    Harsh actions are antithetical to what the Prophet (PBUH) taught.

    At yet another point in the Quran Allah proclaims about His Prophet: “And indeed, you are of a great moral character (khulqin azeem)” (68:4).

    While nearly all Muslims with a basic knowledge of the Quran are aware of these mystical terms used for the Holy Prophet, how many pause to actually think about what these terms imply when we consider the fact that the Quran also terms the Messenger “uswatul hasana (an excellent example)” for humanity?

    This “excellent example” has variously been described as a source of light, compassion and moral distinction. Yet is it not unfortunate that many who claim to love and follow the Prophet are actually doing exactly the opposite of what emulating this example demands, with most Muslim societies lacking the light of knowledge, benevolence and compassion, as well as superior ethics?

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    Perhaps the reason for this discrepancy is that despite claiming to love and follow the Holy Prophet, Muslims today have forgotten what the Messenger himself said about his primary task in this world: as quoted in a hadith, the Prophet said that he has been sent “to perfect the morals”. Put plainly, without controlling the self and constantly battling our inner demons that drive us towards negative behaviour, we will not be able to grasp the spiritual light of the Prophet that illuminates hearts — the lamp mentioned in the Quran. Praising him is an act of devotion; acting upon his guidelines is even more important.


    But in this day and age of great trials and tribulations, where so many claim to be representing ‘true faith’, where is this guidance and light that the Holy Book talks about to be found? Indeed, for the seeker of truth, the pitfalls are many. For example, there are numerous self-appointed ‘defenders of faith’ whose harsh actions, forked tongues and rabble-rousing antics are completely antithetical to what the Prophet has taught.

    In the words of Hazrat Ali, “Through him [the Prophet] the signs of guidance have been lighted and the gloom of blindness (misguidance) has been dispelled”. Perhaps to seek this ‘light’, rather than trying to fix the world, one must engage in what has been described in ahadith as jihad al-akbar, or combat with the self. Without such self-examination and criticism, whether one is dressed in the flowing robes of a cleric, or in any other get-up, spiritual enlightenment and moral excellence will be difficult to achieve.

    It is the pettiness and meanness within — greed, malice, envy, love of material pleasures — that must be conquered. This is the essence of what the Prophet has taught us. To treat the weak and downtrodden with kindness, to stand up to the oppressor, to work for a more just and egalitarian society — these noble goals, arguably, lie at the heart of the Sunnah.

    But are these ideals — both at the societal and individual levels — even a priority for us? For centuries, saints, seekers and sages have used the Prophet’s example for khudsaazi, or to ‘build the self’; these formulae are not just for intellectual consumption, but for emulation. There is a giant moral vacuum in our world, particularly in Muslim societies, where there is an overdose of religiosity, but very little spirituality.

    Emulation doesn’t mean literally and ritualistically adopting the ways of the seventh century; rather it means living as per the requirements of the age, but with a firm moral anchor that can help one differentiate between right and wrong.

    Beyond words, beyond loud protestations of faith and beyond rhetoric, it is strength of character that is needed to build society and the self. And as the verses from the Quran have illustrated here, the guiding light of the spirit is the sacred personality of the Holy Prophet. The Holy Book sums it up best in this beautiful verse: “Allah and His angels shower blessings on the Prophet. O ye who believe! Ask blessings on him and salute him with a worthy salutation (33:56).”


    So there we are . As I reject that stupid hadith completely hence I reject Prophet of Islam  story from that highlighted hadith in quotes in the above article .. So what I left  from the above article on Prophet of Islam  is  the following verses from Quran  from Mr.  qasim.moini@dawn.com
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    .................................
    1).   In verse 46 of Surah Ahzab, the Almighty describes the Prophet as “an illuminating lamp (Sirajam muneera)”. Just as a lamp dispels darkness,  

    2).    At another place in the Holy Book, the Creator has termed the Prophet “a mercy to the worlds” (21:107)

    3). this beautiful verse: “Allah and His angels shower blessings on the Prophet. O ye who believe! Ask blessings on him and salute him with a worthy salutation (33:56)[/u...................


    So what are the verses ??

    Surah 33...  Al-Ahzab  ....  verse 46

    Surah 21 ........Al-Anbya ......... verse 107

    Surah 33...  Al-Ahzab  ....  verse 56

    Those are three verses  that  tells us all about Prophet of  Islam  according to  Qasim A. Moini .,  So  let us carefully   read those  verses again in the next post....

    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Reading Quran And Inquiring in to Prophet Muhammad's Life from Quran
     Reply #241 - December 22, 2017, 02:44 PM

    Well after reading Quran  so many times still  read quite often there is hardly anything on prophet of  Islam and his life.  Although we can get lot more stories and information from hadith  and its stories  very little is  written in Quran.     But Islamic intellectuals  specially from Pakistan extract  all sorts of information from Quran  on Prophet Muhammad    and they publish often in newspapers.,    With Politics, Elections  and that   "Finality of Prophet-hood of Muhammad (PBUH)"    being the  only important  hot subject in land of pure  where people get killed on it..

    And today Qasim A. Moini    writes On Prophet Muhammad from Quran well  let me  read and lear from it

    ..........................................

    So what are the verses ??

    Surah 33...  Al-Ahzab  ....  verse 46

    Surah 21 ........Al-Anbya ......... verse 107

    Surah 33...  Al-Ahzab  ....  verse 56

    Those are three verses  that  tells us all about Prophet of  Islam  according to  Qasim A. Moini .,  So  let us carefully   read those  verses again in the next post....

    That I  said on  December 03, 2017  and  21 days later I am reading those verses .,let us see what   they say ..

       
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    Surah 21 ........Al-Anbya ......... verse 107
         
    Transliteration:    Wama arsalnaka illa rahmatan lilAAalameena

    Yusuf Ali :    We sent thee not, but as a Mercy for all creatures.

    Mohsin Khan:    And We have sent you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم): not but as a mercy for the 'Alamin (mankind, jinn and all that exists).

    Shakir :    And We have not sent you but as a mercy to the worlds.

    Saheeh: 107:    And We have not sent you, [O Muhammad], except as a mercy to the worlds.


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     Surah 33...  Al-Ahzab  ....  verse 46

    Transliteration 46:    WadaAAiyan ila Allahi biithnihi wasirajan muneeran

    Yusuf Ali :    And as one who invites to Allah's (grace) by His leave, and as a lamp spreading light.

    Shakir:    And as one inviting to Allah by His permission, and as a light-giving torch.

    Mohsin Khan: 46:    And as one who invites to Allah [Islamic Monotheism, i.e. to worship none but Allah (Alone)] by His Leave, and as a lamp spreading light (through your instructions from the Qur'an and the Sunnah - the legal ways of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم ).

    Saheeh:   And one who invites to Allah, by His permission, and an illuminating lamp.

       
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     Surah 33...  Al-Ahzab  ....  verse 56

    Transliteration :    Inna Allaha wamalaikatahu yusalloona AAala alnnabiyyi ya ayyuha allatheena amanoo salloo AAalayhi wasallimoo tasleeman

    Yusuf Ali:    Allah and His angels send blessings on the Prophet: O ye that believe! Send ye blessings on him, and salute him with all respect.

    Shakir :       Surely Allah and His angels bless the Prophet; O you who believe! call for (Divine) blessings on him and salute him with a (becoming) salutation.

    Mohsin Khan:    Allah sends His Salat (Graces, Honours, Blessings, Mercy) on the Prophet (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم), and also His angels (ask Allah to bless and forgive him). O you who believe! Send your Salat on (ask Allah to bless) him (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم), and (you should) greet (salute) him with the Islamic way of greeting (salutation i.e. As-Salamu 'Alaikum ).

    Saheeh:   Indeed, Allah confers blessing upon the Prophet, and His angels [ask Him to do so]. O you who have believed, ask [Allah to confer] blessing upon him and ask [Allah to grant him] peace.


    well that is  what those verses say.,    and  I REJECT & DELETE   nonsense that these foolish  translators add  there own  words in to Quran .,  So  after that if we read those verses  carefully., I can safely say

    1).  Those three  verses are  general statements that will fit to  any alleged prophet  of  any time  and are NOTHING TO DO PROPHET OF ISLAM..

    2)..Fools take  random verses from Quran and  attribute them to Prophet of Islam  who allegedly named as  "Muhammad".  And again  we must realize here,  that Arabic  word "Muhammad"  could be used   as  an adjective  to any name., to any person  at any time . that words simply means "A leader "..

    So at the end  those  verses  are NOTHING TO DO WITH PROPHET OF ISLAM

    Mock  the fools and move on...................

    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Reading Quran And Inquiring in to Prophet Muhammad's Life from Quran
     Reply #242 - February 18, 2018, 11:35 AM

    well   reading Quran ,  asking simple  questions such as

    ..Who wrote Quran? .
    Who compiled Quran
    Who was Quranic Muhammad ?
       

     looking for critical answers  to  such simple questions using brain  is really taxing. Hence   this folder of "Inquiring in to Prophet Muhammad's Life   from Quran"    often goes down the drain due to many distractions well   let us start reading Quran again..  So  this iswhat i wrote some 8 months ago  on chapter 51  "Yunus "

    Out 114 chapters of Quran we read 50 chapters  through its alleged revelation order without learning anything about Prophet of Islam.,  Well there is NOTHING IN IT to learn about prophet of Islam ...  anyway  let us read  that chapter 51 .  And that Chapter 51 is supposed to Chapter10  of the book with some   109   verses and allegedly revealed in  Mecca and its name is  "Yunus " .,   well that is whole chapter all 109 verses of it.,  Let me read it again to find wisdom and to find history of early Islam from those verses ..


    So  our next Quran chapter  surah  52  is  chapter  11   of the book  named as    "Hud "      with some 123  verses allegedly revealed at     Macca.

    well   before i read  that chapter  let me add another Quran translation   pdf file Muhammad A. S. Abdel Haleem  Quran translation here..

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    Muhammad A. S. Abdel Haleem, OBE, FCIL, is Professor of Islamic Studies at SOAS, University of London[1] in London, England, and editor of the Journal of Qur'anic Studies.[2]

    Born in Egypt, Abdel Haleem learned the Qur'an by heart during his childhood, and is now a hafiz.[3][4] In 2004, Oxford University Press published his translation of the Qur'an into English. He has also published several other works in this field.[1]

    Abdel Haleem claims to abide by the Qur'an and authentic prophetic teachings as a practicing Muslim.[5] He argued, for example, that British Muslims, until they gave up their citizenship or permit to live in United Kingdom, could not fight against British forces in the Afghanistan conflict.[6]

    Abdel Haleem was appointed an Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE) in the Queen's 2008 Birthday Honours.[7] in recognition of his services to Arabic culture, literature and to inter-faith understanding.

      that is from  wiki....  A good man from Egypt who lives in United Kingdom

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihftsYmZ79E

    well  let me read a bit of his Quran...

    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Reading Quran And Inquiring in to Prophet Muhammad's Life from Quran
     Reply #243 - March 19, 2018, 02:31 PM

    This  is what i said on  February 18, 2018...
    well   reading Quran ,  asking simple  questions such as

    ..Who wrote Quran? .
    Who compiled Quran
    Who was Quranic Muhammad ?
     

     looking for critical answers  to  such simple questions using brain  is really taxing. Hence   this folder of "Inquiring in to Prophet Muhammad's Life   from Quran"  ..........

    So  our next Quran chapter  surah  52  is  chapter  11   of the book  named as    "Hud "      with some 123  verses allegedly revealed at     Macca.
    ...............
    well  let me read a bit of his Quran...


    So  on   March 19, 2018   Cheesy   let me read that Surah HUD   chapter  11   of the book  but  it is actually   surah  52 in the  order  of revelation.  It has some 123 verses init  

    well  for fun let me read some 30 verses or so   from that Muhammad A. S. Abdel Haleem  Quran translation   and compare that from say ... YusuAli  or Shakir  or  Saheeh  translations of Quran

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    11. HUD  .....   Muhammad A. S. Abdel Haleem  Quran translation

    A Meccan sura named after the prophet Hud whose story is given in verses 50–60. It begins by announcing that the Prophet is sent both to warn and to give good news, and the body of the sura focuses on the warning aspect: God watches over everything and is aware of all that people do (verses 5–6, 111–12, 123). The many stories of past prophets, which serve to warn the disbelievers, also strengthen the heart of the Prophet (verse 120).


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    1Alif Lam Ra [This is] a Scripture whose verses are perfected, then set out clearly, from One who is all wise, all aware. 2[Say, Prophet], ‘Worship no one but God. I am sent to you from Him to warn and to give good news. 3Ask your Lord for forgiveness, then turn back to Him. He will grant you wholesome enjoyment until an appointed time, and give His grace to everyone who has merit. But if you turn away, I fear you will have torment on a terrible Day: 4it is to God that you will all return, and He has power over everything.’ 5See how they [the disbelievers] wrap themselves up, to hide their feelings from Him. But even when they cover themselves with their clothes, He knows what they conceal and what they reveal: He knows well the innermost secrets of the heart. 6There is not a creature that moves on earth whose provision is not His concern. He knows where it lives and its [final] resting place: it is all [there] in a clear record. 7It is He who created the heavens and the earth in six Days a ––His ruleb extends over the watersc too––so as to test which of you does best. Yet [Prophet], if you say to them, ‘You will be resurrected after death,’ the disbelievers are sure to answer, ‘This is clearly nothing but sorcery.’ 8If We defer their punishment for a determined time,they are sure to say, ‘What is holding it back?’ But on the Day it comes upon them, nothing will divert it from them; what they mocked will be all around them. 9How desperate and ungrateful man becomes when We let him taste Our mercy and then withhold it! 10And if We let him taste mercy after some harm has touched him, he is sure to say, ‘Misfortune has gone away from me.’ He becomes exultant and boastful.        

    11Not so those who are steadfast and do good deeds: they will have forgiveness and a great reward. 12So [Prophet] are you going toa abandon some part of what is revealed to you, and let your heart be oppressed by it, because they say, ‘Why is no treasure sent down to him? Why has no angel come with him?’? You are only there to warn; it is God who is in charge of everything. 13If they say, ‘He has invented it himself,’ say, ‘Then produce ten invented suras like it, and call in whoever you can beside God, if you are truthful.’ 14If they do not answer you, then you will all know that it is sent down containing knowledge from God, and that there is no god but Him. Then will you submit to Him? 15If any desire [only] the life of this world with all its finery, We shall repay them in full in this life for their deeds– they will be given no less– 16but such people will have nothing in the Hereafter but the Fire: their work here will be fruitless and their deeds futile. 17Can they be compared to those who have clear proof from their Lord, b recited by a witness from Him,c and before it the Book of Moses, as a guide and mercy? These people believe in it, whereas those groups that deny its truth are promised the Fire. So have no doubt about it [Prophet]: it is the Truth from your Lord, though most people do not believe so. 18Who could do more wrong than someone who invents lies about God? Such people will be brought before their Lord, and the witnesses will say, ‘These are the ones that lied about their Lord.’ God’s rejection is the due of those who do such wrong, 19who hinder others from God’s path, trying to make it crooked, and deny the life to come. 20They will not escape on earth, and there will be no one other than God to protect them. Their punishment will be doubled. They could not hear, and they did not see.


    well those  are 20 verses  of Quran from that  Muhammad A. S. Abdel Haleem  Quran.... damn  this  flat wall  writing Quran is hard to read..   any way that is what it is in that Surah 52..."hud"

    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Reading Quran And Inquiring in to Prophet Muhammad's Life from Quran
     Reply #244 - March 19, 2018, 06:48 PM

    George Michael was a homosexual, and a soul who desired this contemptible world, and he got this world, but look at his end. He died fat, ugly and alone, with no one beside him. And whoever chooses the life of this world, according to Christianity and Islam, their destination is hell.

    Enjoy.

    yezevee is some crazy person.
  • Reading Quran And Inquiring in to Prophet Muhammad's Life from Quran
     Reply #245 - March 19, 2018, 10:09 PM

    Whereas you spend your time on the internet telling people how they deserve to go to hell. It sounds like you're already in hell, to be honest, and I have no idea why you might want to inflict that on us. Either way, you're better off doing it elsewhere.

    Bye.
  • Reading Quran And Inquiring in to Prophet Muhammad's Life from Quran
     Reply #246 - March 19, 2018, 11:30 PM

    Well  let us read some 10 verses  surah HUD from Muhammad A. S. Abdel Haleem   translation  as well as Muhammad Shakir translation...

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    1:  Alif Lam Ra [This is] a Scripture whose verses are perfected, then set out clearly, from One who is all wise, all aware.
    1.   Alif Lam Ra (This is) a Book, whose verses are made decisive, then are they made plain, from the Wise, All-aware:

    2:  [Say, Prophet], ‘Worship no one but God. I am sent to you from Him to warn and to give good news.
    2.   That you shall not serve (any) but Allah; surely I am a warner for you from Him and a giver of good news,

    3:  Ask your Lord for forgiveness, then turn back to Him. He will grant you wholesome enjoyment until an appointed time, and give His grace to everyone who has merit. But if you turn away, I fear you will have torment on a terrible Day:
    3.   And you that ask forgiveness of your Lord, then turn to Him; He will provide you with a goodly provision to an appointed term and bestow His grace on every one endowed with grace, and if you turn back, then surely I fear for you the chastisement of a great day.
      
    4:  it is to God that you will all return, and He has power over everything.’
    4.   To Allah is your return, and He has power over all things.

    5:   See how they [the disbelievers] wrap themselves up, to hide their feelings from Him. But even when they cover themselves with their clothes, He knows what they conceal and what they reveal: He knows well the innermost secrets of the heart.
    5.   Now surely they fold up their breasts that they may conceal (their enmity) from Him; now surely, when they use their garments as a covering, He knows what they conceal and what they make public; surely He knows what is in the breasts.

    6:  There is not a creature that moves on earth whose provision is not His concern. He knows where it lives and its [final] resting place: it is all [there] in a clear record.
    6.   And there is no animal in the earth but on Allah is the sustenance of it, and He knows its resting place and its depository all (things) are in a manifest book.

    7:  It is He who created the heavens and the earth in six Days a ––His ruleb extends over the watersc too––so as to test which of you does best. Yet [Prophet], if you say to them, ‘You will be resurrected after death,’ the disbelievers are sure to answer, ‘This is clearly nothing but sorcery.’
    7.   And He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six periods-- and His dominion (extends) on the water-- that He might manifest to you, which of you is best in action, and if you say, surely you shall be raised up after death, those who disbelieve would certainly say: This is nothing but clear magic.

    8:  If We defer their punishment for a determined time,they are sure to say, ‘What is holding it back?’ But on the Day it comes upon them, nothing will divert it from them; what they mocked will be all around them.
    8.   And if We hold back from them the punishment until a stated period of time, they will certainly say: What prevents it? Now surely on the day when it will come to them, it shall not be averted from them and that which they scoffed at shall beset them.

    9:  How desperate and ungrateful man becomes when We let him taste Our mercy and then withhold it!
    9.   And if We make man taste mercy from Us, then take it off from him, most surely he is despairing, ungrateful.

    10:  And if We let him taste mercy after some harm has touched him, he is sure to say, ‘Misfortune has gone away from me.’ He becomes exultant and boastful.        
    10.   And if We make him taste a favor after distress has afflicted him, he will certainly say: The evils are gone away from me. Most surely he is exulting, boasting;
      


    And the bold one above is  Abdel Haleem   translation..  Any difference between the two? not much .. A  word here and there is different with same meaning

    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Reading Quran And Inquiring in to Prophet Muhammad's Life from Quran
     Reply #247 - August 03, 2018, 02:06 PM

    well this folder went down the drain ... it says no posts for the past 120 days.. So let me add these PDF files of books that tells us HOW TO READ QURAN...


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    John Edward Wansbrough (February 19, 1928 – June 10, 2002) was an American historian who taught at the University of London's School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS).

    By his fundamental criticism of the historical credibility of the classical Islamic narratives concerning Islam's beginnings and his attempt to develop an alternative, historically more credible version of Islam's beginnings, Wansbrough founded the so-called "revisionist" school of Islamic Studies.



    and that is edited by  Ibn Warraq

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    This excellent collection of critical commentaries on the Koran brings together outstanding articles by noted scholars from the beginning of the 20th century to recent times. These important studies, as well as the editor's own lengthy introduction, show that little about the text of the Koran can be taken at face value. Among the fascinating topics discussed is evidence that early Muslims did not understand Muhammad's original revelation, that the ninth-century explosion of literary activity was designed to organize and make sense of an often incoherent text, and that much of the traditions surrounding Muhammad's life were fabricated long after his death in an attempt to give meaning to the Koran. Also of interest are suggestions that Coptic and other Christian sources heavily influenced much of the text and that some passages reflect even an Essenian background reaching back to the community of the Dead Sea Scrolls. This valuable compilation will be a welcome resource to interested lay readers and scholars alike.


    well download and read the books then read Quran.. again and again..

    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Reading Quran And Inquiring in to Prophet Muhammad's Life from Quran
     Reply #248 - August 15, 2018, 04:33 PM

     
    Out of 114 chapters of Quran we read 50 chapters  through its alleged revelation order without learning anything about Prophet of Islam.,  Well there is NOTHING IN IT to learn about prophet of Islam ...  anyway  let us read  that chapter 51 .  And that Chapter 51 is supposed to Chapter10  of the book with some   109   verses and allegedly revealed in  Mecca and its name is  "Yunus "

    well that is whole chapter all 109 verses of it.,  Let me read it again to find wisdom and to find history of early Islam from those verses ..

    well that is what I wrote way back in October 18, 2017, 05:12 PM., Indeed there is wisdom in some Quran verses but there is very little about history of early Islam  and identity of Prophet of Islam., anyway  let me read next  chapter and that is CHAPTER-52  and that is chapter11 in the book.. It is HUD., is it about Prophet Hud?? Nah.. who is HUD? whoever.. whatever... we don't care .. we just read Quran .. Book of allah...   that  Chapter 52 "HUD" has 123 verses  allegedly revealed in Mecca

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    1   Alif Lam Ra (This is) a Book, whose verses are made decisive, then are they made plain, from the Wise, All-aware:   
     
    2   That you shall not serve (any) but Allah; surely I am a warner for you from Him and a giver of good news,   
     
    3   And you that ask forgiveness of your Lord, then turn to Him; He will provide you with a goodly provision to an appointed term and bestow His grace on every one endowed with grace, and if you turn back, then surely I fear for you the chastisement of a great day.   
     
    4   To Allah is your return, and He has power over all things.   
     
    5   Now surely they fold up their breasts that they may conceal (their enmity) from Him; now surely, when they use their garments as a covering, He knows what they conceal and what they make public; surely He knows what is in the breasts.   
     
    6   And there is no animal in the earth but on Allah is the sustenance of it, and He knows its resting place and its depository all (things) are in a manifest book.   
     
    7   And He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six periods-- and His dominion (extends) on the water-- that He might manifest to you, which of you is best in action, and if you say, surely you shall be raised up after death, those who disbelieve would certainly say: This is nothing but clear magic.   
     
    8   And if We hold back from them the punishment until a stated period of time, they will certainly say: What prevents it? Now surely on the day when it will come to them, it shall not be averted from them and that which they scoffed at shall beset them.   
     
    9   And if We make man taste mercy from Us, then take it off from him, most surely he is despairing, ungrateful.   
     
    10   And if We make him taste a favor after distress has afflicted him, he will certainly say: The evils are gone away from me. Most surely he is exulting, boasting;   
     
    11   Except those who are patient and do good, they shall have forgiveness and a great reward.   
     
    12   Then, it may be that you will give up part of what is revealed to you and your breast will become straitened by it because they say: Why has not a treasure been sent down upon him or an angel come with him? You are only a warner; and Allah is custodian over all things.   
     
    13   Or, do they say: He has forged it. Say: Then bring ten forged chapters like it and call upon whom you can besides Allah, if you are truthful.   
     
    14   But if they do not answer you, then know that it is revealed by Allah's knowledge and that there is no god but He; will you then submit?   
     
    15   Whoever desires this world's life and its finery, We will pay them in full their deeds therein, and they shall not be made to. suffer loss in respect of them.   
     
    16   These are they for whom there is nothing but fire in the hereafter, and what they wrought in it shall go for nothing, and vain is what they do.   
     
    17   Is he then who has with him clear proof from his Lord, and a witness from Him recites it and before it (is) the Book of Musa, a guide and a mercy? These believe in it; and whoever of the (different) parties disbelieves in it, surely it is the truth from your Lord, but most men do not believe.   
     
    18   And who is more unjust than he who forges a lie against Allah? These shall be brought before their Lord, and the witnesses shall say: These are they who lied against their Lord. Now surely the curse of Allah is on the unjust.   
     
    19   Who turn away from the path of Allah and desire to make it crooked; and they are disbelievers in the hereafter.   
     
    20   These shall not escape in the earth, nor shall they have any guardians besides Allah; the punishment shall be doubled for them, they could not bear to hear and they did not see.   
     
    21   These are they who have lost their souls, and what they forged is gone from them.   
     
    22   Truly in the hereafter they are the greatest losers.   
     
    23   Surely (as to) those who believe and do good and humble themselves to their Lord, these are the dwellers of the garden, in it they will abide.   
     
    24   The likeness of the two parties is as the blind and the deaf and the seeing and the hearing: are they equal in condition? Will you not then mind?   
     
    25   And certainly We sent Nuh to his people: Surely I am a plain warner for you:   
     
    26   That you shall not serve any but Allah, surely I fear for you the punishment of a painful day.   
     
    27   But the chiefs of those who disbelieved from among his people said: We do not consider you but a mortal like ourselves, and we do not see any have followed you but those who are the meanest of us at first thought and we do not see in you any excellence over us; nay, we deem you liars.   
     
    28   He said: O my people! tell me if I have with me clear proof from my Lord, and He has granted me mercy from Himself and it has been made obscure to you; shall we constrain you to (accept) it while you are averse from it?   
     
    29   And, O my people! I ask you not for wealth in return for it; my reward is only with Allah and I am not going to drive away those who believe; surely they shall meet their Lord, but I consider you a people who are ignorant:   
     
    30   And, O my people! who will help me against Allah if I drive them away? Will you not then mind?   
     
    31   And I do not say to you that I have the treasures of Allah and I do not know the unseen, nor do I say that I am an angel, nor do I say about those whom your eyes hold in mean estimation (that) Allah will never grant them (any) good-- Allah knows best what is in their souls-- for then most surely I should be of the unjust.   
     
    32   They said: O Nuh! indeed you have disputed with us and lengthened dispute with us, therefore bring to us what you threaten us with, if you are of the truthful ones.   
     
    33   He said: Allah only will bring it to you if He please, and you will not escape:   
     
    34   And if I intend to give you good advice, my advice will not profit you if Allah intended that He should leave you to go astray; He is your Lord, and to Him shall you be returned.   
     
    35   Or do they say: He has forged it? Say: If I have forged it, on me is my guilt, and I am clear of that of which you are guilty.   
     
    36   And it was revealed to Nuh: That none of your people will believe except those who have already believed, therefore do not grieve at what they do:   
     
    37   And make the ark before Our eyes and (according to) Our revelation, and do not speak to Me in respect of those who are unjust; surely they shall be drowned.   
     
    38   And he began to make the ark; and whenever the chiefs from among his people passed by him they laughed at him. He said: If you laugh at us, surely we too laugh at you as you laugh (at us).   
     
    39   So shall you know who it is on whom will come a chastisement which will disgrace him, and on whom will lasting chastisement come down.   
     
    40   Until when Our command came and water came forth from the valley, We said: Carry in it two of all things, a pair, and your own family-- except those against whom the word has already gone forth, and those who believe. And there believed not with him but a few.   
     
    41   And he said: Embark in it, in the name of Allah be its sailing and its anchoring; most surely my Lord is Forgiving, Merciful.   
     
    42   And it moved on with them amid waves like mountains; and Nuh called out to his son, and he was aloof: O my son! embark with us and be not with the unbelievers.   
     
    43   He said: I will betake myself for refuge to a mountain that shall protect me from the water. Nuh said: There is no protector today from Allah's punishment but He Who has mercy; and a wave intervened between them, so he was of the drowned.   
     
    44   And it was said: O earth, swallow down your water, and O cloud, clear away; and the water was made to abate and the affair was decided, and the ark rested on the Judi, and it was said: Away with the unjust people.   [/i]
     
    45   And Nuh cried out to his Lord and said: My Lord! surely my son is of my family, and Thy promise is surely true, and Thou art the most just of the judges.   
     
    46   He said: O Nuh! surely he is not of your family; surely he is (the doer of) other than good deeds, therefore ask not of Me that of which you have no knowledge; surely I admonish you lest you may be of the ignorant   
     
    47   He said: My Lord! I seek refuge in Thee from asking Thee that of which I have no knowledge; and if Thou shouldst not forgive me and have mercy on me, I should be of the losers.   
     
    48   It was said: O Nuh! descend with peace from Us and blessings on you and on the people from among those who are with you, and there shall be nations whom We will afford provisions, then a painful punishment from Us shall afflict them.   
     
    49   These are announcements relating to the unseen which We reveal to you, you did not know them-- (neither) you nor your people-- before this; therefore be patient; surely the end is for those who guard (against evil).   
     
    50   And to Ad (We sent) their brother Hud. He said: O my people! serve Allah, you have no god other than He; you are nothing but forgers (of lies).   
     
    51   O my people! I do not ask of you any reward for it; my reward is only with Him Who created me; do you not then understand?   
     
    52   And, O my people! ask forgiveness of your Lord, then turn to Him; He will send on you clouds pouring down abundance of rain and add strength to your strength, and do not turn back guilty.   
     
    53   They said: O Hud! you have not brought to us any clear argument and we are not going to desert our gods for your word, and we are not believers in you:   
     
    54   We cannot say aught but that some of our gods have smitten you with evil. He said: Surely I call Allah to witness, and do you bear witness too, that I am clear of what you associate (with Allah).   
     
    55   Besides Him, therefore scheme against me all together; then give me no respite:   
     
    56   Surely I rely on Allah, my Lord and your Lord; there is no living creature but He holds it by its forelock; surely my Lord is on the right path.   
     
    57   But if you turn back, then indeed I have delivered to you the message with which I have been sent to you, and my Lord will bring another people in your place, and you cannot do Him any harm; surely my Lord is the Preserver of all things.   
     
    58   And when Our decree came to pass, We delivered Hud and those who believed with him with mercy from Us, and We delivered them from a hard chastisement.   
     
    59   And this was Ad; they denied the communications of their Lord, and disobeyed His apostles and followed the bidding of every insolent opposer (of truth).   
     
    60   And they were overtaken by curse in this world and on the resurrection day; now surely Ad disbelieved in their Lord; now surely, away with Ad, the people of Hud.   
     
    61   And to Samood (We sent) their brother Salih. He said: O my people! serve Allah, you have no god other than He; He brought you into being from the earth, and made you dwell in it, therefore ask forgiveness of Him, then turn to Him; surely my Lord is Nigh, Answering.   
     
    62   They said: O Salih! surely you were one amongst us in whom great expectations were placed before this; do you (now) forbid us from worshipping what our fathers worshipped? And as to that which you call us to, most surely we are in disquieting doubt.   
     
    63   He said: O my people! tell me if I have clear proof from my Lord and He has granted to me mercy from Himself-- who will then help me against Allah if I disobey Him? Therefore you do not add to me other than loss:   
     
    64   And, O my people! this will be (as) Allah's she-camel for you, a sign; therefore leave her to pasture on Allah's earth and do not touch her with evil, for then a near chastisement will overtake you.   
     
    65   But they slew her, so he said: Enjoy yourselves in your abode for three days, that is a promise not to be belied.   
     
    66   So when Our decree came to pass, We delivered Salih and those who believed with him by mercy from Us, and (We saved them) from the disgrace of that day; surely your Lord is the Strong, the Mighty.   
     
    67   And the rumbling overtook those who were unjust, so they became motionless bodies in their abodes,   
     
    68   As though they had never dwelt in them; now surely did Samood disbelieve in their Lord; now surely, away with Samood.   
     
    69   And certainly Our apostles came to Ibrahim with good news. They said: Peace. Peace, said he, and he made no delay in bringing a roasted calf.   
     
    70   But when he saw that their hands were not extended towards it, he deemed them strange and conceived fear of them. They said: Fear not, surely we are sent to Lut's people.   
     
    71   And his wife was standing (by), so she laughed, then We gave her the good news of Ishaq and after Ishaq of (a son's son) Yaqoub.   
     
    72   She said: O wonder! shall I bear a son when I am an extremely old woman and this my husband an extremely old man? Most surely this is a wonderful thing.   
     
    73   They said: Do you wonder at Allah's bidding? The mercy of Allah and His blessings are on you, O people of the house, surely He is Praised, Glorious.   
     
    74   So when fear had gone away from Ibrahim and good news came to him, he began to plead with Us for Lut's people.   
     
    75   Most surely Ibrahim was forbearing, tender-hearted, oft-returning (to Allah):   
     
    76   O Ibrahim! leave off this, surely the decree of your Lord has come to pass, and surely there must come to them a chastisement that cannot be averted.   
     
    77   And when Our apostles came to Lut, he was grieved for them, and he lacked strength to protect them, and said: This is a hard day.   
     
    78   And his people came to him, (as if) rushed on towards him, and already they did evil deeds. He said: O my people! these are my daughters-- they are purer for you, so guard against (the punishment of) Allah and do not disgrace me with regard to my guests; is there not among you one right-minded man?   
     
    79   They said: Certainly you know that we have no claim on your daughters, and most surely you know what we desire.   
     
    80   He said: Ah! that I had power to suppress you, rather I shall have recourse to a strong support.   
     
    81   They said: O Lut! we are the apostles of your Lord; they shall by no means reach you; so remove your followers in a part of the night-- and let none of you turn back-- except your wife, for surely whatsoever befalls them shall befall her; surely their appointed time is the morning; is not the morning nigh?   
     
    82   So when Our decree came to pass, We turned them upside down and rained down upon them stones, of what had been decreed, one after another.   
     
    83   Marked (for punishment) with your Lord and it is not far off from the unjust.   
     
    84   And to Madyan (We sent) their brother Shu'aib. He said: O my people! serve Allah, you have no god other than He, and do not give short measure and weight: surely I see you in prosperity and surely I fear for you the punishment of an all-encompassing day.   
     
    85   And, O my people! give full measure and weight fairly, and defraud not men their things, and do not act corruptly in the land, making mischief:   
     
    86   What remains with Allah is better for you if you are believers, and I am not a keeper over you.   
     
    87   They said: O Shu'aib! does your prayer enjoin you that we should forsake what our fathers worshipped or that we should not do what we please with regard to our property? Forsooth you are the forbearing, the right-directing one.   
     
    88   He said: O my people! have you considered if I have a clear proof from my Lord and He has given me a goodly sustenance from Himself, and I do not desire that in opposition to you I should betake myself to that which I forbid you: I desire nothing but reform so far as I am able, and with none but Allah is the direction of my affair to a right issue; on Him do I rely and to Him do I turn:   
     
    89   And, O my people! let not opposition to me make you guilty so that there may befall you the like of what befell the people of Nuh, or the people of Hud, or the people of Salih, nor are the people of Lut far off from you;   
     
    90   And ask forgiveness of your Lord, then turn to Him; surely my Lord is Merciful, Loving-kind.   
     
    91   They said: O Shu'aib! we do not understand much of what you say and most surely we see you to be weak among us, and were it not for your family we would surely stone you, and you are not mighty against us.   
     
    92   He said: O my people! is my family more esteemed by you than Allah? And you neglect Him as a thing cast behind your back; surely my Lord encompasses what you do:   
     
    93   And, O my people! act according to your ability, I too am acting; you will come to know soon who it is on whom will light the punishment that will disgrace him and who it is that is a liar, and watch, surely I too am watching with you.   
     
    94   And when Our decree came to pass We delivered Shu'aib, and those who believed with him by mercy from Us, and the rumbling overtook those who were unjust so they became motionless bodies in their abodes,   
     
    95   As though they had never dwelt in them; now surely perdition overtook Madyan as had perished Samood.   
     
    96   And certainly We sent Musa with Our communications and a clear authority,   
     
    97   To Firon and his chiefs, but they followed the bidding of Firon, and Firon's bidding was not right-directing.   
     
    98   He shall lead his people on the resurrection day, and bring them down to the fire; and evil the place to which they are brought.   
     
    99   And they are overtaken by curse in this (world), and on the resurrection day, evil the gift which shall be given.   
     
    100   This is an account of (the fate of) the towns which We relate to you; of them are some that stand and (others) mown down.   
     
    101   And We did not do them injustice, but they were unjust to themselves, so their gods whom they called upon besides Allah did not avail them aught when the decree of your Lord came to pass; and they added but to their ruin.   
     
    102   And such is the punishment of your Lord when He punishes the towns while they are unjust; surely His punishment is painful, severe.   
     
    103   Most surely there is a sign in this for him who fears the chastisement of the hereafter; this is a day on which the people shall be gathered together and this is a day that shall be witnessed.   
     
    104   And We do not delay it but to an appointed term.   
     
    105   On the day when it shall come, no soul shall speak except with His permission, then (some) of them shall be unhappy and (others) happy.   
     
    106   So as to those who are unhappy, they shall be in the fire; for them shall be sighing and groaning in it:   
     
    107   Abiding therein so long as the heavens and the earth endure, except as your Lord please; surely your Lord is the mighty doer of what He intends.   
     
    108   And as to those who are made happy, they shall be in the garden, abiding in it as long as the heavens and the earth endure, except as your Lord please; a gift which shall never be cut off.   
     
    109   Therefore be not in doubt as to what these worship; they do not worship but as their fathers worshipped before; and most surely We will pay them back in full their portion undiminished.   
     
    110   And certainly We gave the book to Musa, but it was gone against; and had not a word gone forth from your Lord, the matter would surely have been decided between them; and surely they are in a disquieting doubt about it.   
     
    111   And your Lord will most surely pay back to all their deeds in full; surely He is aware of what they do.   
     
    112   Continue then in the right way as you are commanded, as also he who has turned (to Allah) with you, and be not inordinate (O men!), surely He sees what you do.   
     
    113   And do not incline to those who are unjust, lest the fire touch you, and you have no guardians besides Allah, then you shall not be helped.   
     
    114   And keep up prayer in the two parts of the day and in the first hours of the night; surely good deeds take away evil deeds this is a reminder to the mindful.   
     
    115   And be patient, for surely Allah does not waste the reward of the good-doers.   
     
    116   But why were there not among the generations before you those possessing understanding, who should have forbidden the making of mischief in the earth, except a few of those whom We delivered from among them? And those who were unjust went after what they are made to enjoy of plenty, and they were guilty.   

     117   And it did not beseem your Lord to have destroyed the towns tyrannously, while their people acted well.   

     
    118   And if your Lord had pleased He would certainly have made people a single nation, and they shall continue to differ.   
     
    119   Except those on whom your Lord has mercy; and for this did He create them; and the word of your Lord is fulfilled: Certainly I will fill hell with the jinn and the men, all together.   
     
    120   And all we relate to you of the accounts of the apostles is to strengthen your heart therewith; and in this has come to you the truth and an admonition, and a reminder to the believers.   
     
    121   And say to those who do not believe: Act according to your state; surely we too are acting.   
     
    122   And wait; surely we are waiting also.   
     
    123   And Allah's is the unseen in the heavens and the earth, and to Him is returned the whole of the affair; therefore serve Him and rely on Him, and your Lord is not heedless of what you do.


    that is what HUD says .. well let us get some nuggets out of it and find out whether we have any thing about Prophet of Islam "Muhammad"

    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Reading Quran And Inquiring in to Prophet Muhammad's Life from Quran
     Reply #249 - September 22, 2018, 02:34 PM

    well in that last post I said
    ..............It is HUD., is it about Prophet Hud?? Nah.. who is HUD? whoever.. whatever... we don't care .. we just read Quran .. Book of allah...   that  Chapter 52 "HUD" has 123 verses  allegedly revealed in Mecca...........

    that is what HUD says .. well let us get some nuggets out of it and find out whether we have any thing about Prophet of Islam "Muhammad"


    Well I didn't even print those nuggets of Surah HUD ., but I know there are some nuggets there is bit of Confucius in that surah hud.  Now usual distraction on Reading Quran through its so-called revelation order comes  because we have a problem that I often encountered reading Quran and understanding Quran specially when you read only one verse.  And our new friend  "curious-lurker " highlighted that point.

    curious-lurker in another folder   saying something basic and important ..
    ............................The problem with your reading is that it’s not in the Quranic text. The sentence is incomplete. The translations add what they think should be there between the brackets, they’re filling in the blank with their own idea.

    well  dear C_lurker as you know Quran translation is a open book and we have literally 50 English translations available for us.  let us take that verse read it and MAKE IT BETTER  
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    We don’t know what the verse was supposed to say. Maybe it contained another hellfire reference or something. We don’t know.....

    why worry about that?? the goal is making it better .. better for everyone dear curious-lurker.,  
    And that is one reason why I often tell folks "DO NOT READ SINGLE VERSE FROM QURAN AND START DEBATING ABOUT IT "

    Read whole book ..  read whole surah ...or at least read 5 verses below and 5 verses above the verse of interest ... so we can make a song ..sonnet out of it .. a little prayer of Allah god whatever for children  ..

    I normally read Quran as a Passage / a sonnet or  song  NOT JUST A VERSE  ,  For example in the case 41:41., I will argue folks to read their favorite translation around the verse of interest .,   So in my case  it goes like this
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    {{{ I like Muhammad Habib Shakir translation .. off course I also read other translators}}}


    and  here is the sequence of reading I normally do  if I want to understand that 41:41 verse.

    1) READ WHOLE SURAH 41..  here you go

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    1   Ha Mim!   
     
    2   A revelation from the Beneficent, the Merciful Allah:   
     
    3   A Book of which the verses are made plain, an Arabic Quran for a people who know:   
     
    4   A herald of good news and a warner, but most of them turn aside so they hear not.   
     
    5   And they say: Our hearts are under coverings from that to which you call us, and there is a heaviness in our ears, and a veil hangs between us and you, so work, we too are working.   
     
    6   Say: I am only a mortal like you; it is revealed to me that your Allah is one Allah, therefore follow the right way to Him and ask His forgiveness; and woe to the polytheists;   
     
    7   (To) those who do not give poor-rate and they are unbelievers in the hereafter.   
     
    8   (As for) those who believe and do good, they shall surely have a reward never to be cut off.   
     
    9   Say: What! do you indeed disbelieve in Him Who created the earth in two periods, and do you set up equals with Him? That is the Lord of the Worlds.   
     
    10   And He made in it mountains above its surface, and He blessed therein and made therein its foods, in four periods: alike for the seekers.   
     
    11   Then He directed Himself to the heaven and it is a vapor, so He said to it and to the earth: Come both, willingly or unwillingly. They both said: We come willingly.   
     
    12   So He ordained them seven heavens in two periods, and revealed in every heaven its affair; and We adorned the lower heaven with brilliant stars and (made it) to guard; that is the decree of the Mighty, the Knowing.   
     
    13   But if they turn aside, then say: I have warned you of a scourge like the scourge of Ad and Samood.   
     
    14   When their apostles came to them from before them and from behind them, saying, Serve nothing but Allah, they said: If our Lord had pleased He would certainly have sent down angels, so we are surely unbelievers in that with which you are sent.   
     
    15   Then as to Ad, they were unjustly proud in the land, and they said: Who is mightier in strength than we? Did they not see that Allah Who created them was mightier than they in strength, and they denied Our communications?   
     
    16   So We sent on them a furious wind in unlucky days, that We may make them taste the chastisement of abasement in this world's life; and certainly the chastisement of the hereafter is much more abasing, and they shall not be helped.   
     
    17   And as to Samood, We showed them the right way, but they chose error above guidance, so there overtook them the scourge of an abasing chastisement for what they earned.   
     
    18   And We delivered those who believed and guarded (against evil).   
     
    19   And on the day that the enemies of Allah shall be brought together to the fire, then they shall be formed into groups.   
     
    20   Until when they come to it, their ears and their eyes and their skins shall bear witness against them as to what they did.   
     
    21   And they shall say to their skins: Why have you borne witness against us? They shall say: Allah Who makes everything speak has made us speak, and He created you at first, and to Him you shall be brought back.   
     
    22   And you did not veil yourselves lest your ears and your eyes and your skins should bear witness against you, but you thought that Allah did not know most of what you did.   
     
    23   And that was your (evil) thought which you entertained about your Lord that has tumbled you down into perdition, so are you become of the lost ones.   
     
    24   Then if they will endure, still the fire is their abode, and if they ask for goodwill, then are they not of those who shall be granted goodwill.   
     
    25   And We have appointed for them comrades so they have made fair-seeming to them what is before them and what is behind them, and the word proved true against them-- among the nations of the jinn and the men that have passed away before them-- that they shall surely be losers.   
     
    26   And those who disbelieve say: Do not listen to this Quran and make noise therein, perhaps you may overcome.   
     
    27   Therefore We will most certainly make those who disbelieve taste a severe punishment, and We will most certainly reward them for the evil deeds they used to do.   
     
    28   That is the reward of the enemies of Allah-- the fire; for them therein shall be the house of long abiding; a reward for their denying Our communications.   
     
    29   And those who disbelieve will say: Our Lord! show us those who led us astray from among the jinn and the men that we may trample them under our feet so that they may be of the lowest.   
     
    30   (As for) those who say: Our Lord is Allah, then continue in the right way, the angels descend upon them, saying: Fear not, nor be grieved, and receive good news of the garden which you were promised.   
     
    31   We are your guardians in this world's life and in the hereafter, and you shall have therein what your souls desire and you shall have therein what you ask for:   
     
    32   A provision from the Forgiving, the Merciful.   
     
    33   And who speaks better than he who calls to Allah while he himself does good, and says: I am surely of those who submit?   
     
    34   And not alike are the good and the evil. Repel (evil) with what is best, when lo! he between whom and you was enmity would be as if he were a warm friend.   
     
    35   And none are made to receive it but those who are patient, and none are made to receive it but those who have a mighty good fortune.   
     
    36   And if an interference of the Shaitan should cause you mischief, seek refuge in Allah; surely He is the Hearing, the Knowing.   
     
    37   And among His signs are the night and the day and the sun and the moon; do not prostrate to the sun nor to the moon; and prostrate to Allah Who created them, if Him it is that you serve.   
     
    38   But if they are proud, yet those with your Lord glorify Him during the night and the day, and they are not tired.   
     
    39   And among His signs is this, that you see the earth still, but when We send down on it the water, it stirs and swells: most surely He Who gives it life is the Giver of life to the dead; surely He has power over all things.   
     
    40   Surely they who deviate from the right way concerning Our communications are not hidden from Us. What! is he then who is cast into the fire better, or he who comes safe on the day of resurrection? Do what you like, surely He sees what you do.   
     
    41   Surely those who disbelieve in the reminder when it comes to them, and most surely it is a Mighty Book:   
     
    42   Falsehood shall not come to it from before it nor from behind it; a revelation from the Wise, the Praised One.   
     
    43   Naught is said to you but what was said indeed to the apostles before you; surely your Lord is the Lord of forgiveness and the Lord of painful retribution.   
     
    44   And if We had made it a Quran in a foreign tongue, they would certainly have said: Why have not its communications been made clear? What! a foreign (tongue) and an Arabian! Say: It is to those who believe a guidance and a healing; and (as for) those who do not believe, there is a heaviness in their ears and it is obscure to them; these shall be called to from a far-off place.   
     
    45   And certainly We gave the Book to Musa, but it has been differed about, and had not a word already gone forth from your Lord, judgment would certainly have been given between them; and most surely they are in a disquieting doubt about it.   
     
    46   Whoever does good, it is for his own soul, and whoever does evil, it is against it; and your Lord is not in the least unjust to the servants.   
     
    47   To Him is referred the knowledge of the hour, and there come not forth any of the fruits from their coverings, nor does a female bear, nor does she give birth, but with His knowledge; and on the day when He shall call out to them, Where are (those whom you called) My associates? They shall say: We declare to Thee, none of us is a witness.   
     
    48   And away from them shall go what they called upon before, and they shall know for certain that there is no escape for them.   
     
    49   Man is never tired of praying for good, and if evil touch him, then he is despairing, hopeless.   
     
    50   And if We make him taste mercy from Us after distress that has touched him, he would most certainly say: This is of me, and I do not think the hour will come to pass, and if I am sent back to my Lord, I shall have with Him sure good; but We will most certainly inform those who disbelieved of what they did, and We will most certainly make them taste of hard chastisement.   
     
    51   And when We show favor to man, he turns aside and withdraws himself; and when evil touches him, he makes lengthy supplications.   
     
    52   Say: Tell me if it is from Allah; then you disbelieve in it, who is in greater error than he who is in a prolonged opposition?   
     
    53   We will soon show them Our signs in the Universe and in their own souls, until it will become quite clear to them that it is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things?   
     
    54   Now surely they are in doubt as to the meeting of their Lord; now surely He encompasses all things.

    so what do we do with those 54 statements of that surah??  I normally go and cut them in to pieces as passages..   let me do that in the next post

    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Reading Quran And Inquiring in to Prophet Muhammad's Life from Quran
     Reply #250 - September 22, 2018, 03:18 PM

    My way of  reading Quran chapter 41

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    verses 1 to 8

    Ha Mim!  

     A revelation from the Beneficent, the Merciful Allah:  
     
    A Book of which the verses are made plain, an Arabic Quran for a people who know:  

    A herald of good news and a warner, but most of them turn aside so they hear not.  

    And they say: Our hearts are under coverings from that to which you call us, and there is a heaviness in our ears, and a veil hangs between us and you, so work, we too are working.  

     Say: I am only a mortal like you; it is revealed to me that your Allah is one Allah, therefore follow the right way to Him and ask His forgiveness; and woe to the polytheists;  

      (To) those who do not give poor-rate and they are unbelievers in the hereafter.  

     (As for) those who believe and do good, they shall surely have a reward never to be cut off.  


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    Verses 9 to 12  

    Say: What! do you indeed disbelieve in Him Who created the earth in two periods, and do you set up equals with Him? That is the Lord of the Worlds.  
     
     And He made in it mountains above its surface, and He blessed therein and made therein its foods, in four periods: alike for the seekers.  
     
    Then He directed Himself to the heaven and it is a vapor, so He said to it and to the earth: Come both, willingly or unwillingly. They both said: We come willingly.  
     
     So He ordained them seven heavens in two periods, and revealed in every heaven its affair; and We adorned the lower heaven with brilliant stars and (made it) to guard; that is the decree of the Mighty, the Knowing.  
     


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    Verses 13 to  21  

    But if they turn aside, then say: I have warned you of a scourge like the scourge of Ad and Samood.  
     
     When their apostles came to them from before them and from behind them, saying, Serve nothing but Allah, they said: If our Lord had pleased He would certainly have sent down angels, so we are surely unbelievers in that with which you are sent.  
     
     Then as to Ad, they were unjustly proud in the land, and they said: Who is mightier in strength than we? Did they not see that Allah Who created them was mightier than they in strength, and they denied Our communications?  
     
     So We sent on them a furious wind in unlucky days, that We may make them taste the chastisement of abasement in this world's life; and certainly the chastisement of the hereafter is much more abasing, and they shall not be helped.  
     
     And as to Samood, We showed them the right way, but they chose error above guidance, so there overtook them the scourge of an abasing chastisement for what they earned.  
     
     And We delivered those who believed and guarded (against evil).  
     
     And on the day that the enemies of Allah shall be brought together to the fire, then they shall be formed into groups.  
     
     Until when they come to it, their ears and their eyes and their skins shall bear witness against them as to what they did.  
     
     And they shall say to their skins: Why have you borne witness against us? They shall say: Allah Who makes everything speak has made us speak, and He created you at first, and to Him you shall be brought back.


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    Verses 22 to  29

      And you did not veil yourselves lest your ears and your eyes and your skins should bear witness against you, but you thought that Allah did not know most of what you did.  
     
     And that was your (evil) thought which you entertained about your Lord that has tumbled you down into perdition, so are you become of the lost ones.  
     
     Then if they will endure, still the fire is their abode, and if they ask for goodwill, then are they not of those who shall be granted goodwill.  
     
     And We have appointed for them comrades so they have made fair-seeming to them what is before them and what is behind them, and the word proved true against them-- among the nations of the jinn and the men that have passed away before them-- that they shall surely be losers.  
     
     And those who disbelieve say: Do not listen to this Quran and make noise therein, perhaps you may overcome.  
     
     Therefore We will most certainly make those who disbelieve taste a severe punishment, and We will most certainly reward them for the evil deeds they used to do.  
     
     That is the reward of the enemies of Allah-- the fire; for them therein shall be the house of long abiding; a reward for their denying Our communications.  
     
     And those who disbelieve will say: Our Lord! show us those who led us astray from among the jinn and the men that we may trample them under our feet so that they may be of the lowest.  


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    Verses 30 to  39

    (As for) those who say: Our Lord is Allah, then continue in the right way, the angels descend upon them, saying: Fear not, nor be grieved, and receive good news of the garden which you were promised.  
     
    We are your guardians in this world's life and in the hereafter, and you shall have therein what your souls desire and you shall have therein what you ask for:  
     
     A provision from the Forgiving, the Merciful.  
     
    And who speaks better than he who calls to Allah while he himself does good, and says: I am surely of those who submit?  
     
    And not alike are the good and the evil. Repel (evil) with what is best, when lo! he between whom and you was enmity would be as if he were a warm friend.  
     
    And none are made to receive it but those who are patient, and none are made to receive it but those who have a mighty good fortune.  
     
    And if an interference of the Shaitan should cause you mischief, seek refuge in Allah; surely He is the Hearing, the Knowing.  
     
    And among His signs are the night and the day and the sun and the moon; do not prostrate to the sun nor to the moon; and prostrate to Allah Who created them, if Him it is that you serve.  
     
    But if they are proud, yet those with your Lord glorify Him during the night and the day, and they are not tired.  
     
    And among His signs is this, that you see the earth still, but when We send down on it the water, it stirs and swells: most surely He Who gives it life is the Giver of life to the dead; surely He has power over all things.
     

     
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    Verses 40 to  54

    Surely they who deviate from the right way concerning Our communications are not hidden from Us. What! is he then who is cast into the fire better, or he who comes safe on the day of resurrection? Do what you like, surely He sees what you do.  
     
    Surely those who disbelieve in the reminder when it comes to them, and most surely it is a Mighty Book:  
     
     Falsehood shall not come to it from before it nor from behind it; a revelation from the Wise, the Praised One.  
     
     Naught is said to you but what was said indeed to the apostles before you; surely your Lord is the Lord of forgiveness and the Lord of painful retribution.  
     
    And if We had made it a Quran in a foreign tongue, they would certainly have said: Why have not its communications been made clear? What! a foreign (tongue) and an Arabian! Say: It is to those who believe a guidance and a healing; and (as for) those who do not believe, there is a heaviness in their ears and it is obscure to them; these shall be called to from a far-off place.  
     
    And certainly We gave the Book to Musa, but it has been differed about, and had not a word already gone forth from your Lord, judgment would certainly have been given between them; and most surely they are in a disquieting doubt about it.  
     
    Whoever does good, it is for his own soul, and whoever does evil, it is against it; and your Lord is not in the least unjust to the servants.  
     
    To Him is referred the knowledge of the hour, and there come not forth any of the fruits from their coverings, nor does a female bear, nor does she give birth, but with His knowledge; and on the day when He shall call out to them, Where are (those whom you called) My associates? They shall say: We declare to Thee, none of us is a witness.  
     
    And away from them shall go what they called upon before, and they shall know for certain that there is no escape for them.  
     
    Man is never tired of praying for good, and if evil touch him, then he is despairing, hopeless.  
     
    And if We make him taste mercy from Us after distress that has touched him, he would most certainly say: This is of me, and I do not think the hour will come to pass, and if I am sent back to my Lord, I shall have with Him sure good; but We will most certainly inform those who disbelieved of what they did, and We will most certainly make them taste of hard chastisement.  
     
    And when We show favor to man, he turns aside and withdraws himself; and when evil touches him, he makes lengthy supplications.  
     
    Say: Tell me if it is from Allah; then you disbelieve in it, who is in greater error than he who is in a prolonged opposition?  
     
    We will soon show them Our signs in the Universe and in their own souls, until it will become quite clear to them that it is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things?  
     
    Now surely they are in doubt as to the meeting of their Lord; now surely He encompasses all things
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    well that 54 verses of that surah and I wanted our friend curious-lurker to read whole surah instead of picking on single verse 41:41

    The point is that it doesn’t tell us what happens. Reading the whole surah doesn’t change anything. The verse is similar to saying something:

    Yeezevee is a...And indeed it is a mighty Book.

    Reading the surrounding verses won’t tell us the missing content.

     
    So again I argue with curious-lurker  "Read Quran with open mind and open heart WITHOUT GETTING UPSET WITH QURAN AND WITHOUT LOSING THAT BLOOD AND HEMOGLOBIN  which carries oxygen to brain and  heart . And one must read it as Passages/songs/sonnets .. and please do not read A SINGLES VERSE from it and make silly stories out of that verse which I often see/hear from BABOONS OF ISLAM

    And  I must agree here with  C-Lurker., he  does have  point in saying " that   verse is indeed has "missing content"

    but so what if it is missing?

    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Reading Quran And Inquiring in to Prophet Muhammad's Life from Quran
     Reply #251 - February 09, 2019, 01:54 PM

    well  on this folder  the forum warning says 

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    and that is my life...  anyway let me add this link of my good friend  website

    corpus quran.com

    i often read and learn from my good friend  Abdul Rahman


    Yap  .. so much to read ..  sooo  much to write and very little time...

    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Reading Quran And Inquiring in to Prophet Muhammad's Life from Quran
     Reply #252 - February 11, 2019, 11:25 PM

    well that is what I wrote way back in October 18, 2017, 05:12 PM., Indeed there is wisdom in some Quran verses but there is very little about history of early Islam  and identity of Prophet of Islam., anyway  let me read next  chapter and that is CHAPTER-52  and that is chapter11 in the book.. It is HUD., is it about Prophet Hud?? Nah.. who is HUD? whoever.. whatever... we don't care .. we just read Quran .. Book of allah...   that  Chapter 52 "HUD" has 123 verses  allegedly revealed in Mecca

    that is what HUD says .. well let us get some nuggets out of it and find out whether we have any thing about Prophet of Islam "Muhammad"


    that is what i said some time ago on  August 15, 2018, ...  and after six months later  i am reading the next surah .,  The Surah 53  ., 

    So it is published as surah 12  in the book  and its name is Surh    Yousuf and it has    111  verses and it allegedly reveled to the alleged Prophet of Islam in Macca., that is what we know ... So let us read some 30 verses from it..

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    1   Alif Lam Ra. These are the verses of the Book that makes (things) manifest.   
     
    2   Surely We have revealed it-- an Arabic Quran-- that you may understand.   
     
    3   We narrate to you the best of narratives, by Our revealing to you this Quran, though before this you were certainly one of those who did not know.   
     
    4   When Yusuf said to his father: O my father! surely I saw eleven stars and the sun and the moon-- I saw them making obeisance to me.   
     
    5   He said: O my son! do not relate your vision to your brothers, lest they devise a plan against you; surely the Shaitan is an open enemy to man.   
     
    6   And thus will your Lord choose you and teach you the interpretation of sayings and make His favor complete to you and to the children of Yaqoub, as He made it complete before to your fathers, Ibrahim and Ishaq; surely your Lord is Knowing, Wise.   
     
    7   Certainly in Yusuf and his brothers there are signs for the inquirers.   
     
    8   When they said: Certainly Yusuf and his brother are dearer to our father than we, though we are a (stronger) company; most surely our father is in manifest error:   
     
    9   Slay Yusuf or cast him (forth) into some land, so that your father's regard may be exclusively for you, and after that you may be a righteous people.   
     
    10   A speaker from among them said: Do not slay Yusuf, and cast him down into the bottom of the pit if you must do (it), (so that) some of the travellers may pick him up.   
     
    11   They said: O our father! what reason have you that you do not trust in us with respect to Yusuf? And most surely we are his sincere well-wishers:   
     
    12   Send him with us tomorrow that he may enjoy himself and sport, and surely we will guard him well.   
     
    13   He said: Surely it grieves me that you should take him off, and I fear lest the wolf devour him while you are heedless of him.   
     
    14   They said: Surely if the wolf should devour him notwithstanding that we are a (strong) company, we should then certainly be losers.   
     
    15   So when they had gone off with him and agreed that they should put him down at the bottom of the pit, and We revealed to him: You will most certainly inform them of this their affair while they do not perceive.   
     
    16   And they came to their father at nightfall, weeping.   
     
    17   They said: O our father! surely we went off racing and left Yusuf by our goods, so the wolf devoured him, and you will not believe us though we are truthful.   
     
    18   And they brought his shirt with false blood upon it. He said: Nay, your souls have made the matter light for you, but patience is good and Allah is He Whose help is sought for against what you describe.   
     
    19   And there came travellers and they sent their water-drawer and he let down his bucket. He said: O good news! this is a youth; and they concealed him as an article of merchandise, and Allah knew what they did.   
     
    20   And they sold him for a small price, a few pieces of silver, and they showed no desire for him.   
     
    21   And the Egyptian who bought him said to his wife: Give him an honorable abode, maybe he will be useful to us, or we may adopt him as a son. And thus did We establish Yusuf in the land and that We might teach him the interpretation of sayings; and Allah is the master of His affair, but most people do not know.   
     
    22   And when he had attained his maturity, We gave him wisdom and knowledge: and thus do We reward those who do good.   
     
    23   And she in whose house he was sought to make himself yield (to her), and she made fast the doors and said: Come forward. He said: I seek Allah's refuge, surely my Lord made good my abode: Surely the unjust do not prosper.   
     
    24   And certainly she made for him, and he would have made for her, were it not that he had seen the manifest evidence of his Lord; thus (it was) that We might turn away from him evil and indecency, surely he was one of Our sincere servants.   
     
    25   And they both hastened to the door, and she rent his shirt from behind and they met her husband at the door. She said: What is the punishment of him who intends evil to your wife except imprisonment or a painful chastisement?   
     
    26   He said: She sought to make me yield (to her); and a witness of her own family bore witness: If his shirt is rent from front, she speaks the truth and he is one of the liars:   
     
    27   And if his shirt is rent from behind, she tells a lie and he is one of the truthful.   
     
    28   So when he saw his shirt rent from behind, he said: Surely it is a guile of you women; surely your guile is great:   
     
    29   O Yusuf! turn aside from this; and (O my wife)! ask forgiveness for your fault, surely you are one of the wrong-doers.   
     
    30   And women in the city said: The chiefs wife seeks her slave to yield himself (to her), surely he has affected her deeply with (his) love; most surely we see her in manifest error.   
     
    31   So when she heard of their sly talk she sent for them and prepared for them a repast, and gave each of them a knife, and said (to Yusuf): Come forth to them. So when they saw him, they deemed him great, and cut their hands (in amazement), and said: Remote is Allah (from imperfection); this is not a mortal; this is but a noble angel.   
     
    32   She said: This is he with respect to whom you blamed me, and certainly I sought his yielding himself (to me), but he abstained, and if he does not do what I bid him, he shall certainly be imprisoned, and he shall certainly be of those who are in a state of ignominy.   
     
    33   He said: My Lord! the prison house is dearer to me than that to which they invite me; and if Thou turn not away their device from me, I will yearn towards them and become (one) of the ignorant.   
     
    34   Thereupon his Lord accepted his prayer and turned away their guile from him; surely He is the Hearing, the Knowing.   
     
    35   Then it occurred to them after they had seen the signs that they should imprison him till a time.   
     
    36   And two youths entered the prison with him. One of them said: I saw myself pressing wine. And the other said: I saw myself carrying bread on my head, of which birds ate. Inform us of its interpretation; surely we see you to be of the doers of good.   
     
    37   He said: There shall not come to you the food with which you are fed, but I will inform you both of its interpretation before it comes to you; this is of what my Lord has taught me; surely I have forsaken the religion of a people who do not believe in Allah, and they are deniers of the hereafter:   
     
    38   And I follow the religion of my fathers, Ibrahim and Ishaq and Yaqoub; it beseems us not that we should associate aught with Allah; this is by Allah's grace upon us and on mankind, but most people do not give thanks:   
     
    39   O my two mates of the prison! are sundry lords better or Allah the One, the Supreme?   
     
    40   You do not serve besides Him but names which you have named, you and your fathers; Allah has not sent down any authority for them; judgment is only Allah's; He has commanded that you shall not serve aught but Him; this is the right religion but most people do not know:   
     
    41   O my two mates of the prison! as for one of you, he shall give his lord to drink wine; and as for the other, he shall be crucified, so that the birds shall eat from his head, the matter is decreed concerning which you inquired.   
     
    42   And he said to him whom he knew would be delivered of the two: Remember me with your lord; but the Shaitan caused him to forget mentioning (it) to his lord, so he remained in the prison a few years.   
     
    43   And the king said: Surely I see seven fat kine which seven lean ones devoured; and seven green ears and (seven) others dry: O chiefs! explain to me my dream, if you can interpret the dream.   
     
    44   They said: Confused dreams, and we do not know the interpretation of dreams.   
     
    45   And of the two (prisoners) he who had found deliverance and remembered after a long time said: I will inform you of its interpretation, so let me go:   
     
    46   Yusuf! O truthful one! explain to us seven fat kine which seven lean ones devoured, and seven green ears and (seven) others dry, that I may go back to the people so that they may know.   
     
    47   He said: You shall sow for seven years continuously, then what you reap leave it in its ear except a little of which you eat.   
     
    48   Then there shall come after that seven years of hardship which shall eat away all that you have beforehand laid up in store for them, except a little of what you shall have preserved:   
     
    49   Then there will come after that a year in which people shall have rain and in which they shall press (grapes).   
     
    50   And the king said: Bring him to me. So when the messenger came to him, he said: Go back to your lord and ask him, what is the case of the women who cut their hands; surely my Lord knows their guile.   
     
    51   He said: How was your affair when you sought Yusuf to yield himself (to you)? They said: Remote is Allah (from imperfection), we knew of no evil on his part. The chief's wife said: Now has the truth become established: I sought him to yield himself (to me), and he is most surely of the truthful ones.   
     
    52   This is that he might know that I have not been unfaithful to him in secret and that Allah does not guide the device of the unfaithful.   
     
    53   And I do not declare myself free, most surely (man's) self is wont to command (him to do) evil, except such as my Lord has had mercy on, surely my Lord is Forgiving, Merciful.   
     
    54   And the king said: Bring him to me, I will choose him for myself. So when he had spoken with him, he said: Surely you are in our presence today an honorable, a faithful one.   
     
    55   He said: Place me (in authority) over the treasures of the land, surely I am a good keeper, knowing well.   
     
    56   And thus did We give to Yusuf power in the land-- he had mastery in it wherever he liked; We send down Our mercy on whom We please, and We do not waste the reward of those who do good.   
     
    57   And certainly the reward of the hereafter is much better for those who believe and guard (against evil).   
     
    58   And Yusuf's brothers came and went in to him, and he knew them, while they did not recognize him.   
     
    59   And when he furnished them with their provision, he said: Bring to me a brother of yours from your father; do you not see that I give full measure and that I am the best of hosts?   
     
    60   But if you do not bring him to me, you shall have no measure (of corn) from me, nor shall you come near me.   
     
    61   They said: We will strive to make his father yield in respect of him, and we are sure to do (it).   
     
    62   And he said to his servants: Put their money into their bags that they may recognize it when they go back to their family, so that they may come back.   
     
    63   So when they returned to their father, they said: O our father, the measure is withheld from us, therefore send with us our brother, (so that) we may get the measure, and we will most surely guard him.   
     
    64   He said: I cannot trust in you with respect to him, except as I trusted in you with respect to his brother before; but Allah is the best Keeper, and He is the most Merciful of the merciful ones.   
     
    65   And when they opened their goods, they found their money returned to them. They said: O our father! what (more) can we desire? This is our property returned to us, and we will bring corn for our family and guard our brother, and will have in addition the measure of a camel (load); this is an easy measure.   
     
    66   He said: I will by no means send him with you until you give me a firm covenant in Allah's name that you will most certainly bring him back to me, unless you are completely surrounded. And when they gave him their covenant, he said: Allah is the One in Whom trust is placed as regards what we say.   
     
    67   And he said: O my sons! do not (all) enter by one gate and enter by different gates and I cannot avail you aught against Allah; judgment is only Allah's; on Him do I rely, and on Him let those who are reliant rely.   
     
    68   And when they had entered as their father had bidden them, it did not avail them aught against Allah, but (it was only) a desire in the soul of Yaqoub which he satisfied; and surely he was possessed of knowledge because We had given him knowledge, but most people do not know.   
     
    69   And when they went in to Yusuf. he lodged his brother with himself, saying: I am your brother, therefore grieve not at what they do.   
     
    70   So when he furnished them with their provisions, (someone) placed the drinking cup in his brother's bag. Then a crier cried out: O caravan! you are most surely thieves.   
     
    71   They said while they were facing them: What is it that you miss?   
     
    72   They said: We miss the king's drinking cup, and he who shall bring it shall have a camel-load and I am responsible for it.   
     
    73   They said: By Allah! you know for certain that we have not come to make mischief in the land, and we are not thieves.   
     
    74   They said: But what shall be the requital of this, if you are liars?   
     
    75   They said: The requital of this is that the person in whose bag it is found shall himself be (held for) the satisfaction thereof; thus do we punish the wrongdoers.   
     
    76   So he began with their sacks before the sack of his brother, then he brought it out from his brother's sack. Thus did We plan for the sake of Yusuf; it was not (lawful) that he should take his brother under the king's law unless Allah pleased; We raise the degrees of whomsoever We please, and above every one possessed of knowledge is the All-knowing one.   
     
    77   They said: If he steal, a brother of his did indeed steal before; but Yusuf kept it secret in his heart and did not disclose it to them. He said: You are in an evil condition and Allah knows best what you state.   
     
    78   They said: O chief! he has a father, a very old man, therefore retain one of us in his stead; surely we see you to be of the doers of good.   
     
    79   He said: Allah protect us that we should seize other than him with whom we found our property, for then most surely we would be unjust.   
     
    80   Then when they despaired of him, they retired, conferring privately together. The eldest of them said: Do you not know that your father took from you a covenant in Allah's name, and how you fell short of your duty with respect to Yusuf before? Therefore I will by no means depart from this land until my father permits me or Allah decides for me, and He is the best of the judges:   
     
    81   Go back to your father and say: O our father! surely your son committed theft, and we do not bear witness except to what we have known, and we could not keep watch over the unseen:   
     
    82   And inquire in the town in which we were and the caravan with which we proceeded, and most surely we are truthful.   
     
    83   He (Yaqoub) said: Nay, your souls have made a matter light for you, so patience is good; maybe Allah will bring them all together to me; surely He is the Knowing, the Wise.   
     
    84   And he turned away from them, and said: O my sorrow for Yusuf! and his eyes became white on account of the grief, and he was a repressor (of grief).   
     
    85   They said: By Allah! you will not cease to remember Yusuf until you are a prey to constant disease or (until) you are of those who perish.   
     
    86   He said: I only complain of my grief and sorrow to Allah, and I know from Allah what you do not know.   
     
    87   O my sons! Go and inquire respecting Yusuf and his brother, and despair not of Allah's mercy; surely none despairs of Allah's mercy except the unbelieving people.   
     
    88   So when they came in to him, they said: O chief! distress has afflicted us and our family and we have brought scanty money, so give us full measure and be charitable to us; surely Allah rewards the charitable.   
     
    89   He said: Do you know how you treated Yusuf and his brother when you were ignorant?   
     
    90   They said: Are you indeed Yusuf? He said: I am Yusuf and this is my brother; Allah has indeed been gracious to us; surely he who guards (against evil) and is patient (is rewarded) for surely Allah does not waste the reward of those who do good.   
     
    91   They said: By Allah! now has Allah certainly chosen you over us, and we were certainly sinners.   
     
    92   He said: (There shall be) no reproof against you this day; Allah may forgive you, and He is the most Merciful of the merciful.   
     
    93   Take this my shirt and cast it on my father's face, he will (again) be able to see, and come to me with all your families.   
     
    94   And when the caravan had departed, their father said: Most surely I perceive the greatness of Yusuf, unless you pronounce me to be weak in judgment.   
     
    95   They said: By Allah, you are most surely in your old error.   
     
    96   So when the bearer of good news came he cast it on his face, so forthwith he regained his sight. He said: Did I not say to you that I know from Allah what you do not know?   
     
    97   They said: O our father! ask forgiveness of our faults for us, surely we were sinners.   
     
    98   He said: I will ask for you forgiveness from my Lord; surely He is the Forgiving, the Merciful.   
     
    99   Then when they came in to Yusuf, he took his parents to lodge with him and said: Enter safe into Egypt, if Allah please.   
     
    100   And he raised his parents upon the throne and they fell down in prostration before him, and he said: O my father! this is the significance of my vision of old; my Lord has indeed made it to be true; and He was indeed kind to me when He brought me forth from the prison and brought you from the desert after the Shaitan had sown dissensions between me and my brothers, surely my Lord is benignant to whom He pleases; surely He is the Knowing, the Wise.   
     
    101   My Lord! Thou hast given me of the kingdom and taught me of the interpretation of sayings: Originator of the heavens and the earth! Thou art my guardian in this world and the hereafter; make me die a muslim and join me with the good.   
     
    102   This is of the announcements relating to the unseen (which) We reveal to you, and you were not with them when they resolved upon their affair, and they were devising plans.   
     
    103   And most men will not believe though you desire it eagerly.   
     
    104   And you do not ask them for a reward for this; it is nothing but a reminder for all mankind.   
     
    105   And how many a sign in the heavens and the earth which they pass by, yet they turn aside from it.   
     
    106   And most of them do not believe in Allah without associating others (with Him).   
     
    107   Do they then feel secure that there may come to them an extensive chastisement from Allah or (that) the hour may come to them suddenly while they do not perceive?   
     
    108   Say: This is my way: I call to Allah, I and those who follow me being certain, and glory be to Allah, and I am not one of the polytheists.   
     
    109   And We have not sent before you but men from (among) the people of the towns, to whom We sent revelations. Have they not then travelled in the land and seen what was the end of those before them? And certainly the abode of the hereafter is best for those who guard (against evil); do you not then understand?   
     
    110   Until when the apostles despaired and the people became sure that they were indeed told a lie, Our help came to them and whom We pleased was delivered; and Our punishment is not averted from the guilty people.   
     
    111   In their histories there is certainly a lesson for men of understanding. It is not a narrative which could be forged, but a verification of what is before it and a distinct explanation of all things and a guide and a mercy to a people who believe.

     So  just to remind myself.,  i am reading Quran in this folder for specific purpose.,  and that to figure out what it says about Prophet of Islam? Can we get some historical facts from it on or about geographical/ or about people of its time....  well  i will read all of the chapter again some 20 to 30  verses at a time.. 


    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Reading Quran And Inquiring in to Prophet Muhammad's Life from Quran
     Reply #253 - February 13, 2019, 02:30 PM

    So in that   above post I said 
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        i am reading the next surah .,  The Surah 53  .,   So it is published as surah 12  in the book  and its name is Surh    Yousuf and it has    111  verses and it allegedly reveled to the alleged Prophet of Islam in Macca., that is what we know ..

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    So  just to remind myself.,  i am reading Quran in this folder for specific purpose.,  and that to figure out what it says about Prophet of Islam? Can we get some historical facts from it on or about geographical/ or about people of its time....  well i will read all of the chapter again some 20 to 30  verses at a time.. 


    well reading 20-30 verses at time IS NOT necessary for this surah., This is one of those very unique surahs of Quran that has only a story of ISLAMIC NARRATIVE  on Prophet  Yusuf  or Joseph or that  Biblical narrative Story of Joseph., It is essentially a story for Muslim children on Biblical prophets and My favorite Islamic site Al-islam.org  tells much better story than you can get from reading those 111 verses..

    So again these 111  verses having nothing to do with Alleged Prophet of Islam   and any sect of Abrahamic  faith/s  WILL TELL YOU THE SAME STORY TO CHILDREN  on that Prophet Joseph.

    But there is an interesting side story to this surah  in the present times with reference to analyzing it to figure out the Author who wrote  this story in to Quran  in  early Islam using  that  Stylometric analysis of Quran   It is one of those  good chapters  to do such analysis as it contains only THE STORY OF YUSUF and nothing else ..

    So let me do that Stylometric  experiment on this surah.,   It has 111 verses ., out of which the following verses   1 to 3 and   101 to 111 are irrelevant because they can be added to any surah or to any story or to any faith book as FAITH REINFORCING STATEMENTS .
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    1   Alif Lam Ra. These are the verses of the Book that makes (things) manifest.   
     
    2   Surely We have revealed it-- an Arabic Quran-- that you may understand.   
     
    3   We narrate to you the best of narratives, by Our revealing to you this Quran, though before this you were certainly one of those who did not know.


    101   My Lord! Thou hast given me of the kingdom and taught me of the interpretation of sayings: Originator of the heavens and the earth! Thou art my guardian in this world and the hereafter; make me die a muslim and join me with the good.   
     
    102   This is of the announcements relating to the unseen (which) We reveal to you, and you were not with them when they resolved upon their affair, and they were devising plans.   
     
    103   And most men will not believe though you desire it eagerly.   
     
    104   And you do not ask them for a reward for this; it is nothing but a reminder for all mankind.   
     
    105   And how many a sign in the heavens and the earth which they pass by, yet they turn aside from it.   
     
    106   And most of them do not believe in Allah without associating others (with Him).   
     
    107   Do they then feel secure that there may come to them an extensive chastisement from Allah or (that) the hour may come to them suddenly while they do not perceive?   
     
    108   Say: This is my way: I call to Allah, I and those who follow me being certain, and glory be to Allah, and I am not one of the polytheists.   
     
    109   And We have not sent before you but men from (among) the people of the towns, to whom We sent revelations. Have they not then travelled in the land and seen what was the end of those before them? And certainly the abode of the hereafter is best for those who guard (against evil); do you not then understand?   
     
    110   Until when the apostles despaired and the people became sure that they were indeed told a lie, Our help came to them and whom We pleased was delivered; and Our punishment is not averted from the guilty people.   
     
    111   In their histories there is certainly a lesson for men of understanding. It is not a narrative which could be forged, but a verification of what is before it and a distinct explanation of all things and a guide and a mercy to a people who believe.
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     So I will remove those 14  or  so  verses from that stylometric   analysis of this surah

    Some references on that stylometric   analysis of Quran   by others I am reading.....
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    1). Behnam Sadeghi ., 2011    The Chronology of the Qurān: A Stylometric Research Program .,  Arabica 58(3-4):210-299 ·   

    2).  Sayoud, H., Author discrimination between the Holy Quran and Prophet's statements .,   Literary and Linguistic Computing  27(4):427-444

    3).  Alqurneh, A & Mustapha, Aida & Murad, Masrah & Sharef, Nurfadhlina. ((2014).  Stylometric model for detecting oath expressions: A case study for Quranic texts. Digital Scholarship in the Humanities.  31. 10.1093/llc/fqu038.   

    4). Sayoud, H. ((2015).   A Visual Analytics based Investigation on the Authorship of the Holy Quran. IVAPP 2015 - 6th International Conference on Information Visualization Theory and Applications; VISIGRAPP, Proceedings. 177-181. 10.5220/0005355601770181.

    Maha Al-Yahya, (2018) "Stylometric analysis of classical Arabic texts for genre detection", The Electronic Library, Vol. 36 Issue: 5, pp.842-855,



    Do not let silence become your legacy  
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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