wonderful post on early history of Islam from Zaotar ..
It's not a question of hard dates because it was an extraordinarily slow and involved process that took place at multiple levels --- texts were slowly created, combined, edited, revised, and then variants were weeded out, qira'at settled upon, and orthography made more specific. Not all in that order.
So basically your Islamic early history falls between 400AD to 700 AD roughly beginning of Umayyad caliphate., Well, when you say "it was an extraordinarily slow and involved process that took place at multiple levels --- texts were slowly created,"
That goes not only to Islam but almost all of the religious scriptures/ pre-medieval literature/books., exception may by that "Analects of Confucius"
So you think the book "Quran" we see today has been modified for 300 years by various guys? And when it became a book they messed up all this so-called of order of revelation? or YOU THINK THAT THERE WAS NO REVELATION?? whole thing is bogus
if you look at this Opening post of this thread
., that order of alleged revelation is also not the right one?? If that is wrong, what sort of order do you suggest for those 114 chapters?
If I were to give a rough chronology by my estimates though ..... here's my rough guess at a crude chronology.
400-600 AD, general monotheistic and Christian texts and polemic circulating throughout the Arabian areas that bordered on Palestine and Mesopotamia. Much of the material that was later incorporated into the Qur'an was originally formulated around this time.
622-634 AD, Arab militants take power following the Byzantine and Sassanian collapses. Among those taking power, one of the Arab leaders is Mohammed, who preached militant apocalyptic monotheism centered on Palestine.
Here is the question..was "Muhammad" the present assumed alleged Prophet of Islam., was he alive during that time? or was he dead way before the year 622??
I guess what you were writing below is the story of Islam after Muhammad
634 to 660-680ish, the crucial era. Mohammed's followers, the Believers, are disappointed by his death ---
Approximately 660-680 AD -- one of the Arab states in the region, and it is not clear which, sponsors a project to collect together and compile all the narratives of the Arabian prophet.
690-695 -- victorious over the Zubayrid caliphate, Abd al Malik makes Mohammed the centerpiece of a new religion of the Arabs,
700 and onward -- the Umayyad caliphate takes a direct interest in the Qur'an, and with Al Hajj and others begins to try to stamp out variations and standardize the text.
So basically, if I understand your post correctly, You are saying
1). Quran is nothing to do with allah god.,
2). very little of it is from "Muhammad
3). Most of what we have in Quran is either stories of Before Muhammad or writings/stories of some scribes after the death of Muhammad
Did I get that right there? Now Out of this 114 chapters 6300 or so verses of Quran, which verses you consider came from Muhammad? And do you think Muhammad's Idea was to start a new religion in line of OT/NT scriptures or he was just a preacher didn't like that Arab Paganism of that time around him?
As to what Mohammed was teaching, it seems to be a mix of militant struggle, righteous living, hellfire for the non-believers, and inheritance of the lands to the North, combined with Mohammed being just another bringer of Allah's message, i.e. essentially a preacher who was compatible with Christian and Jewish scriptures.
I may not agree with that ., We have very little or nothing on Muhammad, UNLESS YOU CONSIDER THE STORY OF MUHAMMAD OF HADITH
Again wonderful analysis Zaotar . It would be nice if you could read through these links.http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=16106.msg445330#msg445330http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=22184.0
and add your opinions?corrections..
with best regards