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     Reply #6480 - Yesterday at 11:15 AM

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    Altara .. Hi Altara.. what happened ??  I read your response to me .. and I was reading my good friend Akay  and by the time I was trying to respond to you your response to me has been deleted.. Why?  there was NOTHING WRONG  in what you said along with few yawns 

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    It is true it is NOT there in "RABBINICAL JUDAISM " or In Islam or in that Zoroastrianism


    Of course.

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    were there any Jewish sects that were practicing  some sort of Monasticism or Monastic way of life with in Jewish faith of that time .say between 1st century AD to 5th century??


    Nope.  One does not know Jewish sects with this feature. Because after 70, there is not  (known) Jewish sect that one might call them "sect"  apart Rabbanism. Qumran  is not "monastic" place ( in fact, nobody knows what is Qumran...). Is the movement of Jesus (born before 70) a Jewish sect? Yes it is. But what one calls Monasticism or Monastic way of life is a Christian (maybe influenced by contemporary Gnosticism) feature.
    Yet, Gnosticism is a Jewish before Jesus (I think...) invention which has developed traits that can be found in the monastic life developed by Christianity.
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     Reply #6481 - Yesterday at 03:46 PM

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    Yes, Karaism is an interesting thing. Somehow, it could be very tempting to see it in relation with the Quran. But it seems appears after the 7th c. I think Dye thought about it.


    I think the example of Karaism can be useful to show what kind of sects (secretive or not) could be formed in Late Antiquity. Out of what exactly originated Karaism, we can only guess. Just as we can only guess what the origins of proto-Islam were. But we do have an ealy text (Quran) and generals behaving in a novel way showing some people had the idea of merging Christian with Jewish material.

    Yeez, I think your question of Jewish monasticism is relevant. Apparently there was quite some reticence towards monasticism although there are records of desert preachers (eg St John the Baptist) that fit quite well in the tradition later on developed in Christianity.

    So we have both contrasting elements in the Quran: 1/ praising the monks  2/ Jewish style marriage promotion above all.

    A sign to indeed look at a sect that was formed by intellectuals coming from both traditions?
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     Reply #6482 - Yesterday at 11:51 PM

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    Out of what exactly originated , we can only guess


    Internal sectarian struggle : Karaism vs Rabbanism

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    there are records of desert preachers (eg St John the Baptist) that fit quite well in the tradition later on developed in Christianity.


    No need of John. Jesus is sufficient.
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    A sign to indeed look at a sect that was formed by intellectuals coming from both traditions?


    https://www.academia.edu/38143375/Jewish_Christianity_the_Qur_%C4%81n_and_Early_Islam_Some_Methodological_Caveats  (yawn...)
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