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  • Top_10_Controversial_Verses_in_the_Qur'an
     OP - May 23, 2011, 09:54 AM

    http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Top_10_Controversial_Verses_in_the_Qur%27an
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    Top 10 Controversial Verses in the Qur'an

    As the title suggests, this page lists the top 10 most controversial verses found within the Qur'an. This page is simply an overview, it does not deal with the apologetic objections that have been brought forth in recent times by a minority number of Western apologists. Articles dealing with any such objections are linked below their corresponding verses.
    [edit] 10. "Beat Them"

    This verse advises men to beat their wives if they don't obey them:
    "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."
    Qur'an 4:34
    Qur'an 5:38 orders cutting of hands of a thief.

    See related: Wife Beating in Islam and Beat your wives or "separate from them"? (Quran 4-34)


    [edit] 9. "Cut off their hands"

    This verse orders a gruesome irreversible punishment for thieves, robbing them of a chance to rehabilitate, improve as human beings and become a productive member of society later on. As an example, Terrence Barkley got arrested on his 16th birthday for stealing cars but interestingly that resulted in him getting out of gangs and into college to study criminal justice at the University of Central Missouri.[1] If Terrence's hands and feet had been cut off according to Islamic laws, none of this would have been possble.
    As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands. It is the reward of their own deeds, an exemplary punishment from Allah. Allah is Mighty, Wise."
    Qur'an 5:38

    Sura 5:33 orders the cutting off of the hands and feet of those who wage war against Allah and his Messenger.
    The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
    Qur'an 5:33

    See related: Amputation. For other punishments in Islam, see: Punishments


    [edit] 8. A man may marry four wives

    This verse allows a man to marry up to four wives:
    If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.
    Qur'an 4:3

    Polygamy is highly controversial and not socially accepted in most parts of the modern world. See related: Polygamy


    [edit] 7. A man can marry a girl who hasn't reached puberty

    This highly controversial Qur'anic verse prescribes the waiting period of a female who has not yet reached puberty thereby permitting men to have sex with girls who have not reached puberty:
    "Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy."
    Qur'an 65:4

    Read the detailed analysis of this verse in our article: Pedophilia in the Qur'an


    [edit] 6. A man can have sex with prisoners of war

    This verse allows men to have sex with women who are prisoners of war:
    "O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
    Qur'an 33:50

    See related: Rape in Islam
    Qur'an 2:65 mentions that Jews who broke the Sabbath were turned into Apes.


    [edit] 5. Turned into Apes

    People who broke the Sabbath were turned into apes:
    "And you know well the story of those among you who broke Sabbath. We said to them: "Be apes—despised and hated by all. Thus We made their end a warning to the people of their time and succeeding generation, and an admonition for God-fearing people."
    Qur'an 2:65

    See related: Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Islamic Silliness and Islamic Antisemitism


    [edit] 4. A man may marry the wife of his adopted son

    Muhammad married Zaynab, the wife of his adopted son. This verse suggests that the adopter may marry the wife of his adopted son and vice-versa:
    "Allah has not made for any man two hearts within him; nor has He made your wives whose backs you liken to the backs of your mothers as your mothers, nor has He made those whom you assert to be your sons your real sons; these are the words of your mouths; and Allah speaks the truth and He guides to the way."
    Qur'an 33:4

    See related: Concerns with Islam: Adoption
    2:282 and Qur'an 4:11 declare that a woman is only half the worth of a man in terms of witness and inheritance.


    [edit] 3. A woman's witness testimony is half of that of a man's

    This verse says the witness testimony of one man is equivalent to the witness testimony of two women:
    "O you who believe! when you deal with each other in contracting a debt for a fixed time, then write it down; and let a scribe write it down between you with fairness; and the scribe should not refuse to write as Allah has taught him, so he should write; and let him who owes the debt dictate, and he should be careful of (his duty to) Allah, his Lord, and not diminish anything from it; but if he who owes the debt is unsound in understanding, or weak, or (if) he is not able to dictate himself, let his guardian dictate with fairness; and call in to witness from among your men two witnesses; but if there are not two men, then one man and two women from among those whom you choose to be witnesses, so that if one of the two errs, the second of the two may remind the other; and the witnesses should not refuse when they are summoned; and be not averse to writing it (whether it is) small or large, with the time of its falling due; this is more equitable in the sight of Allah and assures greater accuracy in testimony, and the nearest (way) that you may not entertain doubts (afterwards), except when it is ready merchandise which you give and take among yourselves from hand to hand, then there is no blame on you in not writing it down; and have witnesses when you barter with one another, and let no harm be done to the scribe or to the witness; and if you do (it) then surely it will be a transgression in you, and be careful of (your duty) to Allah, Allah teaches you, and Allah knows all things."
    Qur'an 2:282

    Related to this verse is Muhammad saying that women are deficient in intelligence


    [edit] 2. A woman inherits half of what a man inherits

    This verse says that a woman inherits half of what a man inherits:
    "Allah enjoins you concerning your children: The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females; then if they are more than two females, they shall have two-thirds of what the deceased has left, and if there is one, she shall have the half; and as for his parents, each of them shall have the sixth of what he has left if he has a child, but if he has no child and (only) his two parents inherit him, then his mother shall have the third; but if he has brothers, then his mother shall have the sixth after (the payment of) a bequest he may have bequeathed or a debt; your parents and your children, you know not which of them is the nearer to you in usefulness; this is an ordinance from Allah: Surely Allah is Knowing, Wise."
    Qur'an 4:11
    Qur'an 9:29 This is just one of many verses found in the Qur'an which encourages Islamic terrorism.


    [edit] 1. Fight non-Muslims

    This widely known verse orders Muslims to fight non-Muslims simply because they dont believe in the same God that Muslims do:
    "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."
    Qur'an 9:29

    This is just one of the verses in the Qur'an which encourages Islamic terrorism. This verse, together with verse 9:5 (the "Verse of the Sword"), has abrogated 122 peaceful verses.[2] See related: Terrorism


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  • Re: Top_10_Controversial_Verses_in_the_Qur'an
     Reply #1 - May 23, 2011, 02:20 PM

    I see what you mean by hitting a brick wall sometimes. What we need perhaps is a 'like' button on here, so that people wouldn't feel that some of their posts are falling on deaf ears. Sometimes, ppl have nothing to add, but appreciate and agree with what has been written nonetheless.

    Do you agree with this selection? Are there any verses that have been missed, that you feel are worthy of being on this list?


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  • Re: Top_10_Controversial_Verses_in_the_Qur'an
     Reply #2 - May 23, 2011, 02:33 PM

    There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN QURAN that is useful for 21st century., And THERE IS NOTHING IN QURAN THAT IS HUMANE which is not there in every religion/religious scriptures  that were there before the birth of Islam.

    "Hence Islam/Muslim can only be useful as a cultural identity NOT NATIONAL..NOT POLITICAL AND NOT A RELIGIOUS IDENTITY".  Muslim must integrate with other religions, other families which are not Islamic and other cultures and other religious scriptures to find out the commonalities and leave and bury that political international Ummah rubbish in the 7th century Arabian sands...

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  • Re: Top_10_Controversial_Verses_in_the_Qur'an
     Reply #3 - May 23, 2011, 03:31 PM

    Surely Mo had one or two original thoughts, that are still relevant and humane? I can't think of any. But surely?

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  • Re: Top_10_Controversial_Verses_in_the_Qur'an
     Reply #4 - May 23, 2011, 05:02 PM

    No, I genuinely think no Musivore, you're just wishful thinking.

    Mo was nothing but a perverted, bigoted, racist, sexist & schizophrenic 7th century Arabian.
  • Re: Top_10_Controversial_Verses_in_the_Qur'an
     Reply #5 - May 23, 2011, 05:45 PM

    Muslims need to reform Islam, so it can be more tolerant, peaceful and humane. What I find weird is that muslims just don't get that their societies are a mess BECAUSE of the Quran, and not despite of the Quran, ie not following it correctly, and therefore being "punished" and all that crap.
  • Re: Top_10_Controversial_Verses_in_the_Qur'an
     Reply #6 - May 23, 2011, 05:54 PM


    Who's behind Wikislam, IsLame?

    I read a demolition of Zakir Naik's speech post-modern comedy routine about Darwin on there yesterday.
  • Re: Top_10_Controversial_Verses_in_the_Qur'an
     Reply #7 - May 23, 2011, 06:07 PM

    Muslims need to reform Islam, so it can be more tolerant, peaceful and humane. What I find weird is that muslims just don't get that their societies are a mess BECAUSE of the Quran, and not despite of the Quran, ie not following it correctly, and therefore being "punished" and all that crap.


    I tried to convince myself that for over 6 years. "Islam can be reformed, islam SHOULD be reformed".  But it doesnt work like that. Islam can never be reformed  since its a religion which is considered to be "perfected" (verse 5:3) and its also considered to be a reform and "correction" of Judaism and Christianity.

    No my fellow Infidel. Islam shouldnt be reformed - but thrown in to the garbage bin for ever.

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  • Re: Top_10_Controversial_Verses_in_the_Qur'an
     Reply #8 - May 23, 2011, 06:08 PM

    There's no way Islam can be reformed. Even if the moderate Muslim mindset came to have some sort of influence, the idea that Islam is meant to be applied throughout any time period is still prevalent. Besides, I doubt that male Muslims with positions of importance wouldn't just let the power they have slip out of their hands like that. One ruling and you'd get billions of Muslims to practice Islam this way or that way. Yeah, no, I don't see that happening any time soon.

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  • Re: Top_10_Controversial_Verses_in_the_Qur'an
     Reply #9 - May 23, 2011, 06:12 PM

    Who's behind Wikislam, IsLame?

    I read a demolition of Zakir Naik's speech post-modern comedy routine about Darwin on there yesterday.

    FFI.  imo Its still the best resource for exmuslim material under one roof out there once you cut through the one-sided bias.  Perfect just used for sources & quote-mining, I always use it as a quick reference tool & to hear the other side of the arguement.

    I see what you mean by hitting a brick wall sometimes. What we need perhaps is a 'like' button on here, so that people wouldn't feel that some of their posts are falling on deaf ears. Sometimes, ppl have nothing to add, but appreciate and agree with what has been written nonetheless.

    Do you agree with this selection? Are there any verses that have been missed, that you feel are worthy of being on this list?

    What did you say?

    I see what you mean by hitting a brick wall sometimes. What we need perhaps is a 'like' button on here, so that people wouldn't feel that some of their posts are falling on deaf ears.

    Been discussed already.. http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=15240.0

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     Reply #10 - May 23, 2011, 06:32 PM

    There's no way Islam can be reformed. Even if the moderate Muslim mindset came to have some sort of influence, the idea that Islam is meant to be applied throughout any time period is still prevalent. Besides, I doubt that male Muslims with positions of importance wouldn't just let the power they have slip out of their hands like that. One ruling and you'd get billions of Muslims to practice Islam this way or that way. Yeah, no, I don't see that happening any time soon.


    I tried to convince myself that for over 6 years. "Islam can be reformed, islam SHOULD be reformed".  But it doesnt work like that. Islam can never be reformed  since its a religion which is considered to be "perfected" (verse 5:3) and its also considered to be a reform and "correction" of Judaism and Christianity.

    No my fellow Infidel. Islam shouldnt be reformed - but thrown in to the garbage bin for ever.


    Well, I opt to remain optimistic, because reformation is the only (somewhat) peaceful solution. Muslims totally discarding Islam, is sadly just not going to happen, ever. I also think Islam can be reformed, because of globalization, and several muslims acknowledging how islam in its current form is actual a part (the biggest part of course) of the problem, and not a part of the solution, in their highly problematic societies.

    Where I live, there are several moderate muslims who have formed organizations, and are trying to distance themselves from the barbaric ways of the conservative muslims. IMO supporting such muslims is the way to go, because I just don't see muslims ever discarding islam totally.

    Christianity succeeded, even if it took centuries, so I think islam can too. Slowly but surely, the muslims can get to a point, where islam is not what dictates their lives, but rather rationality and good old logic.
  • Re: Top_10_Controversial_Verses_in_the_Qur'an
     Reply #11 - May 24, 2011, 01:16 PM

    once you cut through the one-sided bias.

    They present an irrefutable case then give apologists the opportunity to dismiss it by being openly biased.

    Idiotic. The facts they present are eloquent enough.
  • Re: Top_10_Controversial_Verses_in_the_Qur'an
     Reply #12 - May 24, 2011, 03:03 PM

    Do you agree with this selection? Are there any verses that have been missed, that you feel are worthy of being on this list?

    What did you say?


    I meant do you personally agree with the selection of top 10 controversial verses presented above?

    Well, I opt to remain optimistic, because reformation is the only (somewhat) peaceful solution. Muslims totally discarding Islam, is sadly just not going to happen, ever. I also think Islam can be reformed, because of globalization, and several muslims acknowledging how islam in its current form is actual a part (the biggest part of course) of the problem, and not a part of the solution, in their highly problematic societies.

    Where I live, there are several moderate muslims who have formed organizations, and are trying to distance themselves from the barbaric ways of the conservative muslims. IMO supporting such muslims is the way to go, because I just don't see muslims ever discarding islam totally.

    Christianity succeeded, even if it took centuries, so I think islam can too. Slowly but surely, the muslims can get to a point, where islam is not what dictates their lives, but rather rationality and good old logic.


    I like what you’re saying and I hope that this is the future for Islam also.

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  • Re: Top_10_Controversial_Verses_in_the_Qur'an
     Reply #13 - May 24, 2011, 04:05 PM

    I meant do you personally agree with the selection of top 10 controversial verses presented above?

    "WWwwhuush" it went as it flew over his head..

    They present an irrefutable case then give apologists the opportunity to dismiss it by being openly biased.

    Idiotic. The facts they present are eloquent enough.

    Yep, the facts are great & a crying shame it has a heavy militant feel to it - aziz started a council of exmuslim wiki, but I think that project has been abondoned now...

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     Reply #14 - May 24, 2011, 04:10 PM

     Cheesy

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     Reply #15 - May 24, 2011, 04:35 PM

    Well, I opt to remain optimistic, because reformation is the only (somewhat) peaceful solution. Muslims totally discarding Islam, is sadly just not going to happen, ever. I also think Islam can be reformed, because of globalization, and several muslims acknowledging how islam in its current form is actual a part (the biggest part of course) of the problem, and not a part of the solution, in their highly problematic societies.

    Where I live, there are several moderate muslims who have formed organizations, and are trying to distance themselves from the barbaric ways of the conservative muslims. IMO supporting such muslims is the way to go, because I just don't see muslims ever discarding islam totally.

    Christianity succeeded, even if it took centuries, so I think islam can too. Slowly but surely, the muslims can get to a point, where islam is not what dictates their lives, but rather rationality and good old logic.



    I don't have any problem with supporting genuine internal reformists of Islam, even when I do disagree with them. The only thing though is that those internal reformists should not then marginalise outright dissenters and those that have left Islam, as far as being a voice to be listened to. They should not be delegitimised, because internal reformists get 'priority', because to use the comparison with Christianity that you made; Christianity was de-fanged and castrated and put in the kennel over time because of multiple pressures, including the clearing of space for the most rigourous and absolute criticism, including complete rejection, dissent and 'apostacy'.

    So its very important to bear this in mind.

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  • Re: Top_10_Controversial_Verses_in_the_Qur'an
     Reply #16 - May 24, 2011, 05:04 PM

    +1 Billy

    I agree, for Islam to have a prospective future it must alter its beliefs. Muslims need to be open to criticism and possible outcomes and interpretations, and this we all know very well, isn't going to be happening any soon. In fact i think most religions are not going to last much in the future, they will surely be replaced by something just as mindless as Islam and other abrahamic religions. Although i feel as if i am repeating what has already been said, I genuinely feel the lifelines for most religions is coming to its end, Islam being the first.
  • Re: Top_10_Controversial_Verses_in_the_Qur'an
     Reply #17 - May 28, 2011, 06:44 PM

    Hehe, ever tried to convince muslims that they should have a more humane view on the world and life in general, and at the same time claiming that you are a muslim as well? They will try to kill all your points, by using the Quran to prove how it tells them to be barbaric, and obviously the Quran can not be wrong. But since its in the Quran, its obviously not barbaric and backwards, its just Allahs laws.  015

    I wonder why there are even anti-islam organisations. Many muslims are more than capable of showing non muslims how barbaric their religion is.
  • Re: Top_10_Controversial_Verses_in_the_Qur'an
     Reply #18 - June 08, 2011, 02:05 AM

    Interesting thread. I hadn't noticed #7 and #9 before. I'll read into it more. Need to see all sides of the story.
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