Louis Theroux - America's most hated family in crisis

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Re: Louis Theroux - America's most hated family in crisis
Reply #30 - April 07, 2011, 12:06 AM

Quote from: billy on April 07, 2011, 12:00 AM
Vile, but I felt a degree of sympathy for them, just like the young lads, they will have been groomed in this cult basically from when they were babies. No support system to escape, a whole world they've been taught is evil and loathsome and will destroy them, and for those who do escape being disowned forever by their families for 'betrayal'.

It's unreal though. My senses reject them. It's like they have no humanity at all. Terrifying really.

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Re: Louis Theroux - America's most hated family in crisis
Reply #31 - April 07, 2011, 12:07 AM

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How can you admire someone who thinks it is the ne plus ultra of moral offence to bad mouth the Quran?

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Reply #32 - April 07, 2011, 12:11 AM

Quote from: Ishina on April 07, 2011, 12:06 AM
It's unreal though. My senses reject them. It's like they have no humanity at all. Terrifying really.

If I hadn't seen the other two young ladies that had escaped and were suffering I probably wouldn't find that sympathy for them. But you're right, instinctively you recoil from them, completely.

I guess it goes like this though. Plenty of people here have known, or been themselves, in a mind-state of delusion and prejudice because of religious conditioning, and recovered, so as long as there is the slightest glimpse of a rope-ladder out of the pit being in their sight, I can't help but reserve a decimal point of sympathy for them. I don't always feel that way, and if I hadn't seen the fullest context of their family life and the atmospherics they are subject to and the escape of their friends from the church I might not feel that at all.

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Reply #33 - April 07, 2011, 12:12 AM

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Wanna go to America and bash them?

I'd pull the trigger on Fred.

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Reply #34 - April 07, 2011, 12:17 AM

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Reply #35 - April 07, 2011, 12:18 AM

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Reply #36 - April 07, 2011, 12:19 AM

Quote from: billy on April 07, 2011, 12:11 AM
I guess it goes like this though. Plenty of people here have known, or been themselves, in a mind-state of delusion and prejudice because of religious conditioning, and recovered, so as long as there is the slightest glimpse of a rope-ladder out of the pit being in their sight, I can't help but reserve a decimal point of sympathy for them. I don't always feel that way, and if I hadn't seen the fullest context of their family life and the atmospherics they are subject to and the escape of their friends from the church I might not feel that at all.

I feel a tinge of sympathy for the idea that they were once children and potential human beings.

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Reply #37 - April 07, 2011, 01:03 AM

Quote from: Ishina on April 07, 2011, 12:06 AM
It's unreal though. My senses reject them. It's like they have no humanity at all. Terrifying really.

What about Fred, Jr.? He's the only one I truly felt sympathetic towards because he seemed to me to be the only one who let his guard down for a minute, and seemed like a genuinely friendly person rather than the disturbingly bubbly Stepford Wives and that utterly obnoxious former filmmaker.

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Reply #38 - April 07, 2011, 01:14 AM

Quote from: Ishina on April 07, 2011, 12:19 AM
I feel a tinge of sympathy for the idea that they were once children and potential human beings.

they still are, they are just shrouded in a veil atm. We were all like that to some degree or other as theists - they just took it ten steps further. Thats what makes religion so evil & annoys me so much

Like Steven Weinberg said..

“Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion”.

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Re: Louis Theroux - America's most hated family in crisis
Reply #39 - April 07, 2011, 01:42 AM

Lets not lose sight of what the reality is though. These people are not just unfortunate victims, they are immoral bastards that actually go out and hurt people, and the possibility that they might change or might not have turned out that way does not lessen the damage they do. At the least they should be fully condemned and held responsible for their actions. You may feel sympathy because you are a good person and see potential good in them, but they are not good people.

I might have believed in a desert phantom once upon a time, but I never went out for some organised funeral crashing and mourner abusing. Those girls are old enough to own their words and actions. Evil is evil, no matter how it is made.

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Reply #40 - April 07, 2011, 04:16 AM

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That topic is better left out of the hands of KT.

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Reply #41 - April 07, 2011, 04:17 AM

Quote from: Zebedee on April 07, 2011, 12:05 AM
Wanna go to America and bash them?

Better idea. The redhead is legal. Seduce her with your Sufi mystic Grateful Dead ways, lay her, and then after your done tell her she is going to hell. Nothing worse then suffering in a self built prison imo.

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Re: Louis Theroux - America's most hated family in crisis
Reply #42 - April 07, 2011, 08:31 AM

Quote from: King Tut on April 06, 2011, 11:53 PM
Fallacy, of Begging the question.

it's a loaded question, not begging the question. begging the question is where a statement to be proven is assumed to be true during such a proof. billy's question of 'why do you beat your wife' has only assumed that MAB beats his wife, and there's no indication in such a question of him setting out to prove that with his question(as it asks why, not whether he does).
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Re: Louis Theroux - America's most hated family in crisis
Reply #43 - April 07, 2011, 09:27 AM

Quote from: Ishina on April 07, 2011, 01:42 AM
Lets not lose sight of what the reality is though. These people are not just unfortunate victims, they are immoral bastards that actually go out and hurt people, and the possibility that they might change or might not have turned out that way does not lessen the damage they do. At the least they should be fully condemned and held responsible for their actions. You may feel sympathy because you are a good person and see potential good in them, but they are not good people.

I might have believed in a desert phantom once upon a time, but I never went out for some organised funeral crashing and mourner abusing. Those girls are old enough to own their words and actions. Evil is evil, no matter how it is made.

You say that they are evil almost like its an inherent birth trait, but its not a coincidence that they all display it.

The axioms with which they view this world, make decisions, morality, share, criticise are based on an entirely different set of standards.

Its based on their Gods word. They simply have no choice about whether they should be anti-'fag' or against skimpy clothing. They were sent on this planet for this planet for this reason only. To make us see the err of their ways & save us from eternal fire. They are the real heroes. They are the only ones who are caring enough to be honest.

Deluded yes, evil not so sure.

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Re: Louis Theroux - America's most hated family in crisis
Reply #44 - April 07, 2011, 09:42 AM

I hate how super brainwashed these children are. it saddens me deeply
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Reply #45 - April 07, 2011, 11:58 AM

Quote from: IsLame on April 07, 2011, 09:27 AM
You say that they are evil almost like its an inherent birth trait

I don't know how you have drawn that conclusion.

Quote from: IsLame on April 07, 2011, 09:27 AM
Deluded yes, evil not so sure.

I disagree. Lament their lost humanity as much as you like, but it doesn’t change what they have actually gone out and done.

They might very well be deluded, about many things. Delusion may very well compel their speech and manner. But they have acted upon it. Their actions are evil. Picketing a funeral is evil. Laughing afterwards is evil. Enjoying it is evil. These are things that I consider evil. Unnecessary evil. It’s one thing to be deluded, or be pathologically inclined to commit evil, it’s another thing to act upon it. That's what I'm taking measure of when I call them evil, their actions.

By their fruits, ye shall know them.

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Re: Louis Theroux - America's most hated family in crisis
Reply #46 - April 07, 2011, 12:08 PM

In that case please forgive me - its just that this whole concept of black & white/good vs evil are notions that I am currently evaluating in my own head.

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