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  • Re: Islamic Scholar Attacks Pakistan's Blasphemy Laws
     Reply #60 - January 21, 2011, 09:03 PM
    The army in Pakistan is distinguished by how deep its talons go into society. Other armies stay in their barracks. Other armies don't set up bands of holy warriors to use for their own ends.That policy has directly heightened the extremism level in society to terrible levels.

     It warps the entire economy and society with a grip that other armies don't have. The 'threat' of India is the best thing for the army to maintain its power and financial strength. And besides, India is an existential threat, its a pathology for the Pakistani army.

     
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  • Re: Islamic Scholar Attacks Pakistan's Blasphemy Laws
     Reply #61 - January 21, 2011, 09:42 PM
    Forgot to address this.

    Quote from: billy on January 21, 2011, 06:09 PM

    Yeah and how did the Taliban ending the bloodshed work out precisely? You're naive. Pakistan wanted to put Afghanistan back in the stone age with Taliban rule so it could be controlled easier for her own strategic, like lobotomising a child and keeping him on a chain all the better to whip him and keep him in line.


    General Zia and the army mainlining jehadism and Islamic laws into Pakistan's blood supply like a serum. Amongst other things.




    The areas they controlled were relatively peaceful. Were their laws backward and inhumane? Yes. But anything is better than civil war. No Pakistan wanted a pro-pak govt. if karzai was pro-pak there'd be less assassination attempts on him, its got nothing to do with keeping Afghanistan in a "stone age"
  • Re: Islamic Scholar Attacks Pakistan's Blasphemy Laws
     Reply #62 - January 21, 2011, 09:46 PM
    Lobotomise a nation, subject them to a stone age fiefdom that is pliant to your desires, and prop them up and claim that they were keeping the peace - the ways of bullying imperial Pakistani hegemony over its neighbour are very full of double-speak.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: Islamic Scholar Attacks Pakistan's Blasphemy Laws
     Reply #63 - January 21, 2011, 09:47 PM
    Quote from: billy on January 21, 2011, 09:03 PM
    The army in Pakistan is distinguished by how deep its talons go into society. Other armies stay in their barracks. Other armies don't set up bands of holy warriors to use for their own ends.That policy has directly heightened the extremism level in society to terrible levels.

     It warps the entire economy and society with a grip that other armies don't have. The 'threat' of India is the best thing for the army to maintain its power and financial strength. And besides, India is an existential threat, its a pathology for the Pakistani army.

     


    Not all armies do. The Turkish army has probably been involved in politics probably as much as the pak army has! Those "holy warriors" would have done their thing with or without assistance, but yeh Pakistan did assist them and is paying the price for being Pro-US today.
  • Re: Islamic Scholar Attacks Pakistan's Blasphemy Laws
     Reply #64 - January 21, 2011, 09:53 PM

    Turkey's history is different. I'm not a big fan of the Turkish army, but their influence was different. They secularised the country. Pakistan's army Islamicised it.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
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  • Re: Islamic Scholar Attacks Pakistan's Blasphemy Laws
     Reply #65 - January 21, 2011, 10:54 PM
    Yeah, still doesn't make it ok.

    Recently the turkish military has been getting closer to the pak military, maybe some of the secularism will rub off on them lol

  • Re: Islamic Scholar Attacks Pakistan's Blasphemy Laws
     Reply #66 - January 21, 2011, 11:07 PM
    Quote from: Aphrodite on January 21, 2011, 09:47 PM
    Those "holy warriors" would have done their thing with or without assistance, but yeh Pakistan did assist them and is paying the price for being Pro-US today.

    You mean pro-US in terms of supporting the resistance against the Soviets or pro-US in general?
  • Re: Islamic Scholar Attacks Pakistan's Blasphemy Laws
     Reply #67 - January 21, 2011, 11:21 PM
    Quote from: billy on January 21, 2011, 04:53 PM
    Cumming must knock out your braincells.


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  • Re: Islamic Scholar Attacks Pakistan's Blasphemy Laws
     Reply #68 - January 21, 2011, 11:48 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on January 21, 2011, 11:07 PM
    You mean pro-US in terms of supporting the resistance against the Soviets or pro-US in general?


    Being Pro-US today. They knew what these monsters are capable of yet carried on supporting them.

    Btw, I noticed how you refer to the the people who fought the soviets as 'resistance' , I was wondering do you regard the people fighting there today as 'resistance' as well? If no, why not?
  • Re: Islamic Scholar Attacks Pakistan's Blasphemy Laws
     Reply #69 - January 22, 2011, 12:01 AM
    never thought i'd say this, but in purely power terms, gotta give credit to the pakistani army for punching far above its weight and standing up to the indian one. the nukes def have raised the stakes so high so that its virtually certain pakistan won't ever be run over by an indian army. sucking up to US and China has proven useful. Indira had made plans to run over and disband the pakistan army in 1971, got saved by nixon then. China supplied the nukes later.

    not sure continued jihadization post soviet war was a smart thing though.
  • Re: Islamic Scholar Attacks Pakistan's Blasphemy Laws
     Reply #70 - January 22, 2011, 12:04 AM
    Quote from: Aphrodite on January 21, 2011, 11:48 PM
    Being Pro-US today.

    A lot of countries are cooperating with US without any major issues. Even today. Besides conflating term "US" with US imperialism is too simplistic imo.

    Quote from: Aphrodite on January 21, 2011, 11:48 PM
    Btw, I noticed how you refer to the the people who fought the soviets as 'resistance' , I was wondering do you regard the people fighting there today as 'resistance' as well? If no, why not?

    I meant "resistance" in a direct way as in a force that is opposing another force. No qualification of the term was involved - intentionally. Because its a minefield.

    Are you asking me if I find resistance against US imperialism problematic? In principle no. However I do not sympathize with reactionary Islamists at all. That is not to say that I do not understand why Palestinians would support Hamas for example.
  • Re: Islamic Scholar Attacks Pakistan's Blasphemy Laws
     Reply #71 - January 22, 2011, 12:24 AM
     Let us hear from a professional,who would know more about  nuclear weapons.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K57q_914QAU


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  • Re: Islamic Scholar Attacks Pakistan's Blasphemy Laws
     Reply #72 - January 22, 2011, 12:59 AM
    Quote from: Kenan on January 22, 2011, 12:04 AM
    A lot of countries are cooperating with US without any major issues. Even today. Besides conflating term "US" with US imperialism is too simplistic imo.
    I meant "resistance" in a direct way as in a force that is opposing another force. No qualification of the term was involved - intentionally. Because its a minefield.

    Are you asking me if I find resistance against US imperialism problematic? In principle no. However I do not sympathize with reactionary Islamists at all. That is not to say that I do not understand why Palestinians would support Hamas for example.


    I don't think any of those countries is quite like Pakistan. And yes it can be a minefield. Ahh ok  Smiley
  • Re: Islamic Scholar Attacks Pakistan's Blasphemy Laws
     Reply #73 - January 22, 2011, 01:03 AM
    Quote from: hypocrucifier on January 22, 2011, 12:24 AM
    Let us hear from a professional,who would know more about  nuclear weapons.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K57q_914QAU


    He was in the PAF decades ago, I doubt he knows much about nuclear weapons. I agree with him that using 1 nuke would result in Pakistan being destroyed (no country can use them without causing WW3) and yes people are starving and it would be better if less was spent on the military and more on the people in terms of food, health care, education etc. but that isn't going to happen with corruption like it is in Pakistan.
  • Re: Islamic Scholar Attacks Pakistan's Blasphemy Laws
     Reply #74 - January 22, 2011, 08:01 AM
    This was in response to s12345 's assertion,implied or otherwise, that India is obsessed with over running Pakistan.No, 'they haven't punched far above their weight', but have been very stupid about getting their priorities wrong.Real life is not like a school playground where you get orgasms posturing and flexing your muscles.
    The percipience and the wisdom of the person in the video is in stark contrast to the general schizophrenia.
    Just imagine! if the amount of money Pakistan has spent on its defence  had been spent on its infrastructure,the economic situation would have been totally different.
    But delusions about leading the Caliphate and fighting imaginary enemies of Islam are far more important issues I guess!
    I think if anything, Pakistan's mass insanity is more dangerous than it's actual nuclear strength.
    We need more people like Air Marshal Asghar Khan desperately.


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  • Re: Islamic Scholar Attacks Pakistan's Blasphemy Laws
     Reply #75 - January 22, 2011, 08:10 AM
    Quote from: Aphrodite on January 22, 2011, 12:59 AM
    I don't think any of those countries is quite like Pakistan.

    Well, they are nothing like Pakistan tbh. Do you think that a conclusion could be extracted from this?
  • Re: Islamic Scholar Attacks Pakistan's Blasphemy Laws
     Reply #76 - January 22, 2011, 09:34 AM
    Quote from: Aphrodite on January 21, 2011, 09:42 PM
    Forgot to address this.

    The areas they controlled were relatively peaceful. Were their laws backward and inhumane? Yes. But anything is better than civil war. No Pakistan wanted a pro-pak govt. if karzai was pro-pak there'd be less assassination attempts on him, its got nothing to do with keeping Afghanistan in a "stone age"


    It just takes the right kind of imperialism.  
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
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  • Re: Islamic Scholar Attacks Pakistan's Blasphemy Laws
     Reply #77 - January 22, 2011, 09:39 AM
    .
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
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  • Re: Islamic Scholar Attacks Pakistan's Blasphemy Laws
     Reply #78 - January 22, 2011, 10:28 AM
    Quote from: deusvult on January 22, 2011, 09:34 AM
    It just takes the right kind of imperialism.

    What exactly do you mean by that?

    @Aphrodite

    You do realize that resistance is not necessarily a physically violent thing. What talibans are doing in Afghanistan is not resisting US imperialism - they are actually enforcing it. What talibans are really fighting for is for their "right" to oppress others.

  • Re: Islamic Scholar Attacks Pakistan's Blasphemy Laws
     Reply #79 - January 22, 2011, 02:19 PM
    Quote from: muddy on January 21, 2011, 03:40 PM
    They all sound like same as madarsa students in Pakistan and teachers sounded like moulvi's. Also dressed like hard core madarsa people. Anyways, when he took further interst and tried to understand what they were actually doing other then reciting quran and hadiths, they were being trained to become mullahs. Any they were all actually white Britishers. And they can easily taken as someone from Northern Pakistan if they lead prayers in Pakistani mosque. They were trained to have full knowledge of accents. What their ultimate goal was to keep muslims busy with prayers and hadiths (not even quran), so that they don't find much time for intellegent activities.

    Load of bollocks. A european can't pass for a pathan. And if there really was some controversy they wouldn't have allowed this random guy in there.
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=L2pk
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  • Re: Islamic Scholar Attacks Pakistan's Blasphemy Laws
     Reply #80 - January 22, 2011, 02:22 PM
    Quote from: Aphrodite on January 21, 2011, 04:08 PM
    I'm surprised at the level of violence in Pakistan, not the number of fundies there. My family come from 1 of the most conservative regions of Pakistan (Azad Kashmir) yet there is none of this suicide bombings and stuff there, so it does make me wonder............

    Who told you azad kashmir is the most conservative? Try punjab.
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  • Re: Islamic Scholar Attacks Pakistan's Blasphemy Laws
     Reply #81 - January 22, 2011, 04:31 PM
    Quote from: hypocrucifier on January 22, 2011, 08:01 AM
    Just imagine! if the amount of money Pakistan has spent on its defence  had been spent on its infrastructure,the economic situation would have been totally different.



    I agree, but its kinda hard to do that with scum like zardari. Fuck such politicians and such 'democracy' !!!
  • Re: Islamic Scholar Attacks Pakistan's Blasphemy Laws
     Reply #82 - January 22, 2011, 04:38 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on January 22, 2011, 08:10 AM
    Well, they are nothing like Pakistan tbh. Do you think that a conclusion could be extracted from this?


    Yes. Pakistan is a fucked up country  Cry

    Quote from: Kenan on January 22, 2011, 10:28 AM

    @Aphrodite

    You do realize that resistance is not necessarily a physically violent thing. What talibans are doing in Afghanistan is not resisting US imperialism - they are actually enforcing it. What talibans are really fighting for is for their "right" to oppress others.




    Yes I know, Afghans have recently been protesting more and more against the occupation and the protests will only get louder. Lol enforcing it by defeating it? right  Roll Eyes Btw, a lot of the 'taliban' footsoldiers aren't interested in some holy war against the US, protecting Osama or anything. They just want to get rid of the people who do stuff like this, and good luck to them.

    http://www.rawa.org/rawa/2009/05/07/lets-rise-against-the-war-crimes-of-us-and-its-fundamentalist-lackeys.html
  • Re: Islamic Scholar Attacks Pakistan's Blasphemy Laws
     Reply #83 - January 22, 2011, 04:39 PM
    Quote from: donatelo on January 22, 2011, 02:22 PM
    Who told you azad kashmir is the most conservative? Try punjab.


    Some areas of punjab are liberal like Lahore. In most areas of azad kashmir I went to I never once saw a girl with her scarf even on her shoulders, rural mirpuris  Roll Eyes
  • Re: Islamic Scholar Attacks Pakistan's Blasphemy Laws
     Reply #84 - January 22, 2011, 04:42 PM
    Quote from: donatelo on January 22, 2011, 02:19 PM
    Load of bollocks. A european can't pass for a pathan. And if there really was some controversy they wouldn't have allowed this random guy in there.


     Afro
  • Re: Islamic Scholar Attacks Pakistan's Blasphemy Laws
     Reply #85 - January 22, 2011, 04:54 PM
    Quote from: Aphrodite on January 22, 2011, 04:38 PM
    Lol enforcing it by defeating it? right  Roll Eyes

    Why do you think I would claim something like that? Would you say that my posts are often unsubstantiated? That I often claim something that is clearly conflicted with reality?
  • Re: Islamic Scholar Attacks Pakistan's Blasphemy Laws
     Reply #86 - January 22, 2011, 04:56 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on January 22, 2011, 10:28 AM
    What exactly do you mean by that?




    The moral relativism comes with tribalism that people think that other forms of imperialism are bad, but theirs is right and justified.  Apparently the invasion of a country by a foreign trained and armed group to oppress a country to satisfy a host nation's strategic policy isn't bad, depending on whose doing it.   An army that trains terrorists to kill civilians as a matter of course, that gets respect. They are defending the homeland at all.  

     
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
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  • Re: Islamic Scholar Attacks Pakistan's Blasphemy Laws
     Reply #87 - January 22, 2011, 06:15 PM
    Oh yes, I pointed out the same paradox back when we had that thread about Israel.

  • Re: Islamic Scholar Attacks Pakistan's Blasphemy Laws
     Reply #88 - January 23, 2011, 12:22 AM
    Quote from: Kenan on January 22, 2011, 04:54 PM
    Why do you think I would claim something like that? Would you say that my posts are often unsubstantiated? That I often claim something that is clearly conflicted with reality?


    That is what you said:

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    What talibans are doing in Afghanistan is not resisting US imperialism - they are actually enforcing it.



    I don't see how militarily defeating NATO (meaning they withdraw--they will soon) is enforcing it. Hmmmm no, I understand your valid points but I just disagree with some of them that's all.
  • Re: Islamic Scholar Attacks Pakistan's Blasphemy Laws
     Reply #89 - January 23, 2011, 03:34 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on January 21, 2011, 02:47 PM
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/20/islam-ghamidi-pakistan-blasphemy-laws

    Islamic scholar attacks Pakistan's blasphemy laws

    Ghamidi was also the only progressive Islamic scholar in Pakistan who was prepared to discuss Islam with the antagonistic Sina.

    I stuck it up the entire discussion on my scribd channel (http://www.scribd.com/doc/24488219/Ghamdi-vs-Sina-Debate-muslim-vs-ex-muslim-debate)for anyone who hasnt read this electric debate.  Its long but I at least strongly recommend skimming through it if anyone hasnt read it yet.

    Shame to see what the eventual outcome was to the last of the progressive mullahs (i.e. supporting the repeal of the blasphemy laws) in Pakistan. 
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