"Revert" or "convert"?

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Re: "Revert" or "convert"?
Reply #60 - January 23, 2011, 10:16 PM

Quote from: IsLame on January 23, 2011, 09:59 PM
Aba - it appears that you might be making an assumption that most of us believe in a human soul, it is in fact the opposite.

Like the Abrahmic God, most of us believe the soul is another ancient attempt to fill in the blanks. Before you make any attempt to talk about what the soul may or many not be naturally inclined to believe, I suggest taking a step back and explaining to us why you believe their is a soul, other than the fact that it says so in the Quran.

Problem is that all of us believe the Quran is manmade, so using it as evidence of such claims is not such a good idea. Same applies to devils, Djinns, Allah etc.

I understand that, and that's why I haven't come to debate. This is a split topic due to the fact that someone took issue with the word "revert" and suddenly a new topic was made for me to justify my beliefs. I am only using quotes of the Quran to show where I am getting my opinions from, to show that they have an islamic ground, and not that I am inventing them myself.
Not as proof per se, but proof that my opinions are valid islamically.

As for why I believe in a soul, this is something that would take up an entire thread.
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Reply #61 - January 23, 2011, 10:20 PM

Quote from: Hassan on January 23, 2011, 10:11 PM
That's not true - but I understand what you are saying. Actually I see this in a different way. I see it as a statement about the nature of man and his desperate plight in a world that is often cruel and harsh. When one is so desperate and frightened and alone - with no hope and no way out - one will turn to the sky and plead for help from a god one hopes dearly is there.

Of course it in no way indicates the existence of such a supernatural - but only indicates the plight of man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pxRXP3w-sQ

Well we can agree to disagree atleast, I hope.
You said that you see this in a different way, and so do I.
I have a very personal story about this subject that I would love to share with you all sometime.
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Reply #62 - January 23, 2011, 10:37 PM

well as for the statement that there are no atheists in fox holes, i will say that i also have a personal story about this subject in a "i am sure i will be killed" situation, and even though still young (at the time i already had realized that the Kuran can't be Divine), god didn't come in my mind whatsoever.... It was the first time i was high(didn't feel the pain) and only thing i was thinking of was my short life (flashes of experiences)....

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Reply #63 - January 23, 2011, 11:26 PM

Quote from: AbaAbdillah on January 23, 2011, 10:16 PM
I understand that, and that's why I haven't come to debate. This is a split topic due to the fact that someone took issue with the word "revert" and suddenly a new topic was made for me to justify my beliefs. I am only using quotes of the Quran to show where I am getting my opinions from, to show that they have an islamic ground, and not that I am inventing them myself.
Not as proof per se, but proof that my opinions are valid islamically.

As for why I believe in a soul, this is something that would take up an entire thread.

Quote from: AbaAbdillah on January 23, 2011, 10:20 PM
Well we can agree to disagree atleast, I hope.
You said that you see this in a different way, and so do I.
I have a very personal story about this subject that I would love to share with you all sometime.

Get posting then!

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Reply #64 - January 24, 2011, 01:58 PM

Religions are legacy of human evolution. No matter how retarded they are, we are stuck with them for a good amount of time.

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Reply #65 - January 26, 2011, 06:47 PM

Muddy, why you think so little of mankind? Or do you think that you and I are so special and so much better than most of the peasants, for whom you prescribe opium of the masses? I believe every human deserves the light of atheism in foreseeable future.

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Reply #66 - January 26, 2011, 07:33 PM

Sometimes you talk like a muslim. Why is that?

Anyways, we aren't special, but I do want people to critically analyze the literature they believe in with against science and real facts.

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Reply #67 - January 26, 2011, 09:35 PM

Give me an example, then maybe I can explain. I have no idea what you mean, by saying I sometimes talk like a Muslim.

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Reply #68 - January 26, 2011, 09:36 PM

I will publicly kiss you, muddy, if there's any doubt about my kufr

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Reply #69 - January 26, 2011, 09:38 PM

AbaAbdillah, give me a link to your intro/story, please - I want to learn why you think that Quran, Hadith, and Islamic scholars can not give you all the answers you need.

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