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  • Awkward questions to ask "moderate" Christians
     OP - January 20, 2011, 06:27 PM
    Updated List:
    Quote
    1. Were animals created before (Genesis 1:25-27) or after humans (Genesis 2:18-19)
    2. Tell us more about foreskins of 200 philistines.
    3. How long can a man survive in a whale's belly? Is whale's belly hollow? (Refer Jonah surviving 3 days. Scientifically no one can for even a minute)
    4. Were there lions and tigers in Noah's ark? Who did they eat? Were there woodpeckers? What about chipmunks?


    I think we need this collection too. My boss is Christian, and we are a group of a few hindus, few atheists and few christians by name only. I want a bunch of questions ready for next week..Tongue

    Anyways, a hindu girl nicely raised a good question.

    "After the world was created, Adam and Eve were the only two humans. And we are all their children. How come they all follow different religions".

    My boss's reply:

    "Lets go back to 6 ancestors back of yours, and traverse through their whole tree until now. How many people do you personally know?"

    Me:

    "I completely agree that it is not necessarily possible that they are all following same religion. But there is reason for it, and that is environmental factors and peer pressures. But if you go back to Adam and Eve's time, they were two people, one religion. Where did all the other religions come from?"
    ====
    The End, and topic changed.. Tongue
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  • Re: Awkward questions to ask "moderate" Christians
     Reply #1 - January 20, 2011, 06:44 PM
    many of the difficult questions regarding Islam, can be immediately applied to christianity without changing a bit
  • Re: Awkward questions to ask "moderate" Christians
     Reply #2 - January 20, 2011, 06:49 PM
    Not really! I tried it but failed!

    The reason is he does not believe Bible to be literal word of God. All the things are metaphorical and written by humans. Also there isn't too much violent parts I know that apply to christianity.
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    Islam's Last Stand (page)
    Islam's Last Stand (group)
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  • Re: Awkward questions to ask "moderate" Christians
     Reply #3 - January 20, 2011, 06:55 PM
    Quote from: muddy on January 20, 2011, 06:49 PM
    The reason is he does not believe Bible to be literal word of God. All the things are metaphorical and written by humans.

    That's excellent!

    What sort of Christian is he?
  • Re: Awkward questions to ask "moderate" Christians
     Reply #4 - January 20, 2011, 07:02 PM
    I haven't asked him, but he talks about Israel alot as he had been there. He was talking about wars. I told him that is what religion does to people. He answered, "depends on what religion".

    He is Republican but his wife is Democrat. So he is a bit open minded, but not a lot.
    Admin of following facebook pages and groups:
    Islam's Last Stand (page)
    Islam's Last Stand (group)
    and many others...
  • Re: Awkward questions to ask "moderate" Christians
     Reply #5 - January 20, 2011, 08:02 PM
    Christianity has been so modernised, reformed and turned on it's head that there's not much that will make them awkward.

    Only the Christian Fundies/Evangelicals can be made to look like the idiots they are - and you can use many of the same questions used for Islam with some modifications.
  • Re: Awkward questions to ask "moderate" Christians
     Reply #6 - January 20, 2011, 08:11 PM
    This video has been posted here before, but Imma post it here because it has some excellent points. Plus this guy is megahot Tongue

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvRPbsXBVBo
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Awkward questions to ask "moderate" Christians
     Reply #7 - January 20, 2011, 08:19 PM
    Muddy, ask him if he understands the metaphorical meaning of Jesus' death on the cross considering the fact that god-the father is inseparable from god-the son?
  • Re: Awkward questions to ask "moderate" Christians
     Reply #8 - January 20, 2011, 08:21 PM
    Quote from: allat on January 20, 2011, 08:11 PM
    This video has been posted here before, but Imma post it here because it has some excellent points. Plus this guy is megahot Tongue

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvRPbsXBVBo


    This video contains all you need to make a Christian - or Muslim - feel awkward.

    If they have an ounce of compassion and intelligence that is.
  • Re: Awkward questions to ask "moderate" Christians
     Reply #9 - January 20, 2011, 08:26 PM
    I'm all for going after the "moderates" (who shield to the whackos), but this seems like a lost cause and will only end up in animosity. Like Hassan said, Christianity is for most people nothing but a watered down version of its former state. I mean...even certain interpretations of Islam are following that path and turning into stricly identitarian and/or ethnic.

    The best way is to require him to back up his extraordinary claims with extraordinary evidence. Ask him also why this god of his allows children to die slow painful death.
  • Re: Awkward questions to ask "moderate" Christians
     Reply #10 - January 20, 2011, 08:37 PM
    Thanks guys! But remember, he is my boss. I would only choose to ask light questions.
    Admin of following facebook pages and groups:
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  • Re: Awkward questions to ask "moderate" Christians
     Reply #11 - January 20, 2011, 08:52 PM
    Best question to ask Christians: "Exactly, what did Jesus lose in his so called sacrifice, in order for it to be a sacrifice?"

    And, according to their denomination, different kind of lulz scenarios will ensure.

    Some think Jesus is "God the Son" and he knew about it, so they will have no real answer and will just struggle.
    Some think Jesus is "God the Son" but he did not know about it, so they will realize they end up saying that Jesus had an "apparent sacrifice" (cause he thought he was really going to lose something) and in reality they end up saying that Jesus had no clue what he was saying/doing (which is lulz).
    A few rare non-trinitarian will claim that Jesus lost "his mortal life", but the above still applies: either he was 100% sure humans effectively have an immortal soul (in which case he lost nothing: if i knew i were immortal i'd kill myself daily just out of curiosity) or he had no clue what he was doing/saying ^_^
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Awkward questions to ask "moderate" Christians
     Reply #12 - January 20, 2011, 08:55 PM
    And that is, in my opinion, the best argument against Christianity because it attacks the core belief that is the common theme of every brand of Christianity out there.
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Awkward questions to ask "moderate" Christians
     Reply #13 - October 02, 2011, 12:21 AM
    Here's a good one to ask them: Why does God abort babies?
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Awkward questions to ask "moderate" Christians
     Reply #14 - October 02, 2011, 02:22 AM
    Ask him if he believes in Hell.

    Ask him if he believes in the accounts of the wars in the Old Testament.

    If he answers yes to both ask him why (1) God, being all-powerful and all-knowing would create human beings he knew would sin against him then he would torture his own creations for all eternity, isn't that like having a kid you know will be a psychopath before you create him, so you can be justified in repeatedly beating him, and (2) why an all-good God orders his followers to commit acts that would today be considered genocide at worst and heinous war crimes at best?

    As for (1) QueenIsabel has been unable to answer that, and neither has my Muslim brother (well he has but he's resorted to heterodoxy/borderline heresy in claiming that although God is all-powerful, he's not all-knowing, and almost everyone gets into heaven anyways so it's not a big deal).
    fuck you
  • Re: Awkward questions to ask "moderate" Christians
     Reply #15 - October 02, 2011, 10:10 AM
    How do you know the Bible is true?
  • Re: Awkward questions to ask "moderate" Christians
     Reply #16 - October 03, 2011, 07:01 AM
    How was it moral for god to order the Israelites to kill everyone except the young virgin females?

    (Usual response: It's moral because god said so)

    If humans have no understanding of morality without god then how do you know that god is not lying to us in the bible?
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Awkward questions to ask "moderate" Christians
     Reply #17 - October 03, 2011, 10:14 PM
    lynna

    im sure in christianity you are eternally damned to hell if u ever deny the existence of the holy spirit...that's the only unforgivable sin..

     
  • Re: Awkward questions to ask "moderate" Christians
     Reply #18 - October 03, 2011, 10:40 PM
    Quote from: muddy on January 20, 2011, 08:37 PM
    Thanks guys! But remember, he is my boss. I would only choose to ask light questions.


    I prefer to keep religion out of all work related scenarios, especially when it's a boss. Plus, it would be really hard to pin him down since everything would be 'metaphorical'. The Bible has some pretty vile stuff in it, but you'd have to bring up some tough questions, which will probably start to annoy him.
  • Re: Awkward questions to ask "moderate" Christians
     Reply #19 - October 05, 2011, 01:22 PM
    Importantly though, if the verse which says not to stone the woman accused of adultery was added by a human hundreds of years after the fact, then surely Christians should still be stoning adulterers?
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Awkward questions to ask "moderate" Christians
     Reply #20 - October 09, 2011, 06:59 AM
    Sorry, but I am still confused.

    So the only laws Christians need to now abide by are
    1: Love god
    2: Love your neighbour as yourself

    What about not killing, or stealing, or committing adultery, or coveting your neighbours ox?  Are you now allowed to work on the Sabbath? Are you allowed to eat Bacon and shell fish?

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Awkward questions to ask "moderate" Christians
     Reply #21 - October 09, 2011, 06:50 PM
    No, it really has not been a help at all.

    People could not eat shrimps or bacon, then Jesus died and now they can - whilst at work on the Sabbath.  How does that make sense?  Why would the death of Jesus have *any* impact on whether or not you can eat a bacon sandwich?  How does a pig go from being unclean to being clean?  Why wouldn't god just make pigs clean to start with rather than putting them into a group of constraints which means that Jesus needs to die in order to make it possible to eat them?
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Awkward questions to ask "moderate" Christians
     Reply #22 - October 10, 2011, 08:11 AM
    I am trying to understand the point.  The bible said that pigs were "unclean."  So how did Jesus dying on a cross make them clean?  Either the pigs were clean to start with, or they are unclean now.  Jesus dying on a cross didn't alter the genetic makeup of pigs, or change their life styles.
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Awkward questions to ask "moderate" Christians
     Reply #23 - October 10, 2011, 04:04 PM
    why are all three abrahamic religions so engrossed
    in emotionalism?  AND!!!

    Why does god need humans to defend him, even kill, and
    make war in his name?  I mean, isnt god a big boy, and
    can take care of himself? 
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Awkward questions to ask "moderate" Christians
     Reply #24 - October 12, 2011, 03:01 PM
    Quote from: Lynna on October 12, 2011, 02:58 PM
    Homosexuality and sex outside of marriage are not allowed because they do contradict love God with your whole heart, soul and mind. 


    So sex is synonymous with love? You can't have the latter without the former?
  • Re: Awkward questions to ask "moderate" Christians
     Reply #25 - October 12, 2011, 05:59 PM
    Quote from: Lynna on October 12, 2011, 05:41 PM
    If you love some one, in this case God, you wouldn't want to do something that made you displeasing or even revolting to that person.


    I think that the act of homosexuality being revolting was in the old law system, and that Jesus made it all better.  But what about sex outside of marriage? God didn't say that was revolting did he?
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Awkward questions to ask "moderate" Christians
     Reply #26 - October 12, 2011, 06:46 PM
    You are trying to avoid my question.  Do you think it is acceptable for a man and woman to have sex outside of marriage, and if not then why not?
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Awkward questions to ask "moderate" Christians
     Reply #27 - October 15, 2011, 09:37 PM
    But what about the ones who are, say, more female, but
    are a male "soul"?  Why would they choose to remain single?
    Because genetics and/or GOD mutated their genes?  Every baby in the womb
    are the same sex for up to the first six to eight weeks.  Its only after
    that their sexual organs are formed.  One person in 2,000 have ambiguous
    genitalia.  Then there are the hermaphrodites who have both parts,
    are half and half.  So lets say you have one with breasts, but they
    also have a penis, but also have an ovary and a menstral cycle. 
    You condone the removal of his/her penis?  One "person" had
    a vagina and a womb, but she did not have ovaries, but testicles
    instead, and no breasts.  What does this person do?  Especially
    when they develop and start growing a beard and hair on the
    body?  Then their voice changes, as well.

    The LORD instructed Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply.
    Does this only apply to full females and full males?  So anyone
    BORN OF GOD who has is intersexed, the simplest answer is for them
    to remain single, never to have a fulfilling relationship with another
    human being?  Are you SURE thats what god wants for them?

    And still waiting on the scriptural referenct to

    love God with your whole heart, soul and mind.

    thanks   Smiley 




    Another thing are those with XXY chromosones.  Their "body" is
    anotomically correct, but their psychological being is the opposite
    of
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Awkward questions to ask "moderate" Christians
     Reply #28 - October 16, 2011, 03:10 PM
    So WHO/WHAT created evil?  If god didnt, who or what did?
    I thought god was the only one who could create ANYTHING?

    Lamentations 3:38
    Is it not from the mouth of the Most High
    That both good and ill go forth?

    Isaiah 45:7
    I form the light and create darkness,
    I bring prosperity and create disaster;
    I, the Lord, do all these things.

    Quote
    A person might choose to remain single if there is no clear resolution to their problem because a wrong choice could put them in the position of displeasing God


    Quote
    God did not mutate them or their genes. God does not try us with evil things.

    so all that Job was tried with, were good things?  Jonah had it pretty good as well, but
    will save that one for another day.

    So if god didnt create them, who/what did?  so god allowed them to have
    screwed up bodies so they would be deprived of the most basic of human
    needs?  Love, acceptance, and the opportunity to have a family?  This is not
    limited to hermaphrodites, but also the physically handicap, mental retardation,
    and a host of other coditions.

    You think they are all evil?  you think people with ambiguous genitalia are
    evil? or their condition is evil?  And then, no rectifacation for this evil?  Other
    than remaining celibate for their entire lives.  I bet that makes them feel
    really good about themselves that god ALLOWED evil to make them who
    they are.  Must really do their mental health and spirituality a world of good! 

    Also, still waiting on the scriptural reference I requested.

    thanks   Smiley
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Awkward questions to ask "moderate" Christians
     Reply #29 - October 24, 2011, 01:48 PM
    Quote from: Lynna on October 24, 2011, 05:42 AM
    What I said was "There is absolutely no proof that God causes birth defects and accidents,"

    Meaning that god is not in charge.

    But I thought that he is the alpha and the omega, that nothing happens without his approval?
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