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  • Re: comments on prince v freesoul007
     Reply #30 - January 13, 2011, 10:29 AM

    I am actually really pissed off that you're misrepresenting Darwin as a racist, Freesoul007. Shame on you.


    Darwin was a racist Grin

    (Maybe he meant Darwin was Islamophobic  Roll Eyes)

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  • Re: comments on prince v freesoul007
     Reply #31 - January 13, 2011, 03:34 PM

    I suppose we ought not mention to freesoul that Darwin's body of work completely abolishes the notion of superiority of any one race, and that it was largely his creationist opponents who were clinging on to the idea of non whites being savages.

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  • Re: comments on prince v freesoul007
     Reply #32 - January 13, 2011, 03:39 PM

    Darwin also defended the intelligence of Africans and other non whites ...

    Darwinism is even more radical than that. Correct me if I am wrong but (white) skin colour is a mutation - we are all Africans. It's just a question of how far back one is willing to look.
  • Re: comments on prince v freesoul007
     Reply #33 - January 13, 2011, 03:48 PM

    However, more to the point, as prince's algorithm shows, there is a perfectly computable system to evolution, not blind luck.


    Yep, if it were just blind luck and chance, species wouldn't evolve at all, and drift in some form of limbo, going back and forth through beneficial and detrimental change.

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  • Re: comments on prince v freesoul007
     Reply #34 - January 13, 2011, 04:09 PM

    Darwinism is even more radical than that. Correct me if I am wrong but (white) skin colour is a mutation - we are all Africans. It's just a question of how far back one is willing to look.

    Yep. It's all in The Decent of Man.

    Darwin may not have had modern knowledge and advancement in the sciences to back up his theories, but he accurately predicted a common descent from African origins.

    "In each great region of the world the living mammals are closely related to the extinct species of the same region. It is therefore probably that Africa was formerly inhabited by extinct apes closely allied to the gorilla and chimpanzee; and as these two species are now man’s nearest allies, it is somewhat more probable that our early progenitors lived on the African continent than elsewhere."
    ~ Darwin, The Descent of Man

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  • Re: comments on prince v freesoul007
     Reply #35 - January 13, 2011, 04:14 PM

    "In each great region of the world the living mammals are closely related to the extinct species of the same region. It is therefore probably that Africa was formerly inhabited by extinct apes closely allied to the gorilla and chimpanzee; and as these two species are now man’s nearest allies, it is somewhat more probable that our early progenitors lived on the African continent than elsewhere."
    ~ Darwin, The Descent of Man

    Not that I disagree with what he said as he was proven to be right, more surprised by his knowledge over a hundred years ago.  How on earth did he know our early gorilla ancestors were not from Paris or Bosnia?

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  • Re: comments on prince v freesoul007
     Reply #36 - January 13, 2011, 04:19 PM

    We didn't have gorilla ancestors...

    Gorillas live in Africa and not Paris. "In each great region of the world the living mammals are closely related to the extinct species of the same region." That's how he knew our ancestors were African.
  • Re: comments on prince v freesoul007
     Reply #37 - January 13, 2011, 04:29 PM

    Not that I disagree with what he said as he was proven to be right, more surprised by his knowledge over a hundred years ago. How on earth did he know our early gorilla ancestors were not from Paris or Bosnia?


    There was no evidence at the time. He put the pieces of the puzzle together through directly observing the world, extensive travelling and study, compiling ideas that were counter-intuitive, confusing, shouldn't fit but did, ideas that were even blasphemous, directly challenging the status quo and challenging his own faith.

    It's what is most compelling about the work of Darwin. You can follow his journey, almost feel the moments of realisation as they arrive in his mind, gradually collecting and crystallising into solid theories.

    And yeah, gorillas are not our ancestors, but I know what you meant.

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  • Re: comments on prince v freesoul007
     Reply #38 - January 13, 2011, 04:40 PM

    It's also worth pointing out that Darwin himself didn't have much faith in the fossil record anyway, which at the time was sparse, mostly unverified and full of hoaxes.

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  • Re: comments on prince v freesoul007
     Reply #39 - January 13, 2011, 04:46 PM

    Creationists are too hung up on the fossil record. There is far more interesting evidence to discuss.
  • Re: comments on prince v freesoul007
     Reply #40 - January 13, 2011, 09:35 PM

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    Correct me if I am wrong but (white) skin colour is a mutation


    So i am a Mutant ha??? Don't call me a mutant buddy!!!

    Just look at the sun and the moon, rotating around the earth perfectly! Out of all the never ending space in the universe, the sun and moon ended up close to earth rotating around it perfectly.!!

  • Re: comments on prince v freesoul007
     Reply #41 - January 13, 2011, 09:46 PM

    So i am a Mutant ha??? Don't call me a mutant buddy!!!

    you mutant white hominid, you

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  • Re: comments on prince v freesoul007
     Reply #42 - January 13, 2011, 09:49 PM

     Over react

    Just look at the sun and the moon, rotating around the earth perfectly! Out of all the never ending space in the universe, the sun and moon ended up close to earth rotating around it perfectly.!!

  • Re: comments on prince v freesoul007
     Reply #43 - January 13, 2011, 10:20 PM

    If evolution is false the whole bio-medical industry and all medicine available should also be false. All genetic mapping, allelic determination of diseases, SNP's and molecular cellular knowledge is based on evolutionary "theory".


    Actually this isn't the best way of putting it. None of these things generally depend/have depended on the knowledge we gain/have gained from evolution theory, rather we learn about these things from experiments done by molecular biologists/biochemists/cell biologists in the lab and then these things have been used to provide supporting evidence for evolution. In fact I'm pretty sure that even if the theory of evolution was never proposed yet we would still have achieved all the things you mention above - these are all things we have learnt about through biochemistry/molecular biology/genetics in the lab and have not depended on what evolution theory has proposed. On the other hand it is rather cool that these things have all turned out to be able to provide positive supporting evidence for evolution.

    I accept evolution but I just don't generally like it when claims like these are made - although sometimes it gets me accused of being a creationist  Roll Eyes - but you would be very hard-pressed to find a molecular biologist who disagrees with what I said above.

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  • Re: comments on prince v freesoul007
     Reply #44 - January 13, 2011, 10:31 PM

    I accept evolution

    Since when?  What was the turning point? 

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  • Re: comments on prince v freesoul007
     Reply #45 - January 13, 2011, 10:33 PM

    i never said that evolution was false  Huh? although I have argued many times regarding the accuracy of arguments to support it

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  • Re: comments on prince v freesoul007
     Reply #46 - January 13, 2011, 10:36 PM

    No, that isn't what I meant. I mean these models of understanding in different fields of science, (not just medicine), rely on the same principles, concepts, vectors that the evolutionary fields of science do. If evolution is false, these also must be false, since they share the same base principles, are intrinsic with each other, run parallel with each other, compliment each other.

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  • Re: comments on prince v freesoul007
     Reply #47 - January 13, 2011, 10:42 PM

    i never said that evolution was false  Huh?

    No you never did, you always questioned it.  But here you appear to accept it, so I was wondering what new evidence/thoughts made you see it this way?   Did you read Dawkins Greatest Show on Earth?

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  • Re: comments on prince v freesoul007
     Reply #48 - January 13, 2011, 10:58 PM

    no, it wasn't really a question of evidence really - i guess it was the Islam in me that always made me question apsects of it (although even as a Muslim I stated many times that I accept evolution as fact) - but that fog has since lifted  Smiley

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  • Re: comments on prince v freesoul007
     Reply #49 - January 13, 2011, 11:02 PM

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  • Re: comments on prince v freesoul007
     Reply #50 - January 13, 2011, 11:40 PM

    (although even as a Muslim I stated many times that I accept evolution as fact)

    I thought that was only during the latter part, prior to that you were open to the suggestion but not convinced by the evidence.

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  • Re: comments on prince v freesoul007
     Reply #51 - January 13, 2011, 11:55 PM

    i guess there always have been and probably always will be things that are not adequately explained during my lifetime in the required detail (i've discussed these many times before so won't discuss it here) - but i guess these days i'm more willing to take it on faith that evolution was solely responsible  Tongue

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  • Re: comments on prince v freesoul007
     Reply #52 - January 14, 2011, 02:04 AM

    Darwinism is even more radical than that. Correct me if I am wrong but (white) skin colour is a mutation - we are all Africans. It's just a question of how far back one is willing to look.

    You're spot on about that.
  • Re: comments on prince v freesoul007
     Reply #53 - January 14, 2011, 04:29 AM

    http://www.harunyahya.com/ says hi, PS.

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
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  • Re: comments on prince v freesoul007
     Reply #54 - January 14, 2011, 04:34 AM

    Harun Yahya, great intellect. 
  • Re: comments on prince v freesoul007
     Reply #55 - January 14, 2011, 04:36 AM

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    Evolutionary paleontologists portray different Homo erectus, Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, and archaic Homo sapiens human fossils as indicating different species or subspecies on the evolutionary path. They base this on the differences between these fossil skulls. However, these differences actually consist of variations among different human races that have existed, some of which have become extinct or have been assimilated. These differences have grown less pronounced as human races have intermixed over time.


    Copied word to word from:
    http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/origin_of_man_11.html

    Shame really.
  • Re: comments on prince v freesoul007
     Reply #56 - January 14, 2011, 04:38 AM

    shh... put it in the ring side section.  You'll see that I did. 

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: comments on prince v freesoul007
     Reply #57 - January 14, 2011, 04:39 AM

    Harun Yahya, great intellect. 

     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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  • Re: comments on prince v freesoul007
     Reply #58 - January 14, 2011, 04:40 AM

    Btw, those skulls posted as 'middle aged  bengali' and everything are so obviously fake  Cheesy Cheesy
  • Re: comments on prince v freesoul007
     Reply #59 - January 14, 2011, 04:41 AM

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    Do you also believe Animal's like Tiger's for example have evolved?

    You should have had this in the bag by now, you have a head-start by mile's off, considering that you have studied this topic long ago and am learning about it as we debate.


    You're not learning everything. You're just copy/pasting from creationist sites.

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