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  • I need some help
     OP - January 02, 2011, 02:24 AM

    I have been discussing Islam and atheism on an Iraqi forum and I need the number of the verses from the Quran that:

    1-condemn Jews as pigs and apes
    2-allow Muslim soldiers to take women POWs as slaves and have forced sex with them

    I'm sure Aya no.1 exists but not sure about the 2nd one. If there isn't, is there a Hadith that is along the same lines?
  • Re: I need some help
     Reply #1 - January 02, 2011, 02:32 AM

    Verse 6 of surah Al-Mu'minun.

    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Re: I need some help
     Reply #2 - January 02, 2011, 03:03 AM

    Thanks for the reply

    The verse you're referring to only mentions having sex with your slaves in general but not specifically about slaves who were taken as POWs after Muslim invasion.

  • Re: I need some help
     Reply #3 - January 02, 2011, 03:11 AM

    A google search of "quran jews pigs apes" result in following link:

    http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/jew_apes.htm

    Admin of following facebook pages and groups:
    Islam's Last Stand (page)
    Islam's Last Stand (group)
    and many others...
  • Re: I need some help
     Reply #4 - January 02, 2011, 03:12 AM

    Anyways, whatever you do, do not quote any text directly from that website, because they will abandon it right away saying its a work of shaitaan.

    Admin of following facebook pages and groups:
    Islam's Last Stand (page)
    Islam's Last Stand (group)
    and many others...
  • Re: I need some help
     Reply #5 - January 02, 2011, 03:31 AM

    when it comes to sex and prophet I find the following funny, ironical, logical and informative

    http://forums.ratedesi.com/showpost.php?p=12099354&postcount=105

    "Religion is the purposeful suspension of critical thinking" Bill Maher
  • Re: I need some help
     Reply #6 - January 02, 2011, 05:05 AM

    عزيزي ملحد عراقي..
    لا توجد آية في القرآن تصف اليهود بأنهم قردة وخنازير، إلا هناك توصيفاً إسلامياً لليهود بأنهم إخوة القردة والخنازير، وهذا التوصيف مبني على عقاب الله لأصحاب السبت بأن مسخهم قردة وخنازيرلأنهم خالفوا أوامر الله بعدم صيد الحيتان يوم السبت
    وَلَقَدْ عَلِمْتُمُ الَّذِينَ اعْتَدَوْا مِنْكُمْ فِي السَّبْتِ فَقُلْنَا لَهُمْ كُونُوا قِرَدَةً خَاسِئِينَ (65) البقرة
    قُلْ هَلْ أُنَبِّئُكُمْ بِشَرٍّ مِنْ ذَلِكَ مَثُوبَةً عِنْدَ اللَّهِ مَنْ لَعَنَهُ اللَّهُ وَغَضِبَ عَلَيْهِ وَجَعَلَ مِنْهُمُ الْقِرَدَةَ وَالْخَنَازِيرَ وَعَبَدَ الطَّاغُوتَ أُولَئِكَ شَرٌّ مَكَانًا وَأَضَلُّ عَنْ سَوَاءِ السَّبِيلِ (60)  المائدة

    وتعبير "إخوة القردة والخنازير" قد استخدمه محمد وزوجته عائشة.


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    بيد أنِّي أميل إلى أن يُطْلَقَ عليهم بأنَّهم :(إخوان القردة والخنازير) اقتداء برسول الله ـ صلَّى الله عليه وسلَّم ـ حين قال لهم ذلك ، و لمشابهتهم للذين مسخوا في العناد والتمرد على الله وعلى أنبيائه بغير الحق، فاستحقوا ذلكم النعت
    وهذا اللفظ أطلقته عائشة ـ رضي الله عنها ـ عـلى اليهود أمام رسول الله ـ صلَّى الله عليه وسلَّم ـ ، ولم يعاتبها رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم عليه، كما في حديث أنس بن مالك ـ رضي الله عنه ـ أن اليهود دخلوا على النبي ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ فقالوا السام عليك فقال النبي ـ صلَّى الله عليه وسلم ـ السام عليكم فقالت عائشة السام عليكم يا إخوان القردة والخنازير ولعنة الله وغضبه فقال : يا عائشة مه فقالت : يا رسول الله أما سمعت ما قالوا قال أو ما سمعت ما رددت عليهم يا عائشة لم يدخلالرفق في شيء إلا زانه ولم ينزع من شيء إلا شانه.


    والحديث أخرجه الإمام أحمد في المسند ( 3 / 241 ) من حديث أنس بن مالك ـ رضي الله عنه ـ وقال الألباني: (إسناده رجاله ثقات على شرط مسلم غير مؤمَّل وهو ابن اسماعيل البصري صدوق سيء الحفظ) (إرواء الغليل 5/118).
    وقد ثبت أنَّه ـ عليه الصلاة والسلام ـ قال لليهود وهو مشرف على حصون بني قريظة وقد حاصرهم :( يا إخوان القردة والخنازير ، هل أخزاكم الله وأنزل بكم نقمته)وقد ناداهم بذلك ؛ لكفرهم ونقضهم العهود التي كانت بينهم وبين الرسول ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ وموالاتهم الأحزاب عليه ، ولشتمهم إيَّاه .(الطبري(2/252) تحقيق الشيخ أحمد شاكر، وذكره ابن كثير بتحقيق الوادعي:(1/207) ووردت في ( إمتاع الأسماع ‏صـ 243‏)‏ بنص‏:‏"يا إخوان القردة والخنازير وعبدة الطواغيت ، أتشتمونني؟!" بل ذكر الإمام ابن كثير في تفسيره لآية76 من سورة البقرة نقلاً عن مجاهد قال : قام رسول الله ـ صلَّى الله عليه وسلَّم ـ يوم قريظة تحت حصونهم فقال:(يا إخوان القردة والخنازير ، يا عبدة الطاغوت).


    http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vb/showthread.php?t=94585

    بالنسبة لقضية اغتصاب أسيرات الحرب، فلا يوجد نص قرآني يذكر "أسيرات الحرب" صراحة، فهن مشمولات بـ "ما ملكت أيمانكم"، ولكن يمكن إثبات هذا الأمر بسهولة بالغة عبر الأحاديث وسيرة الرسول وخلفائه، فهى حافلة بالأخبار عن أن أسيرات الحرب هن ملك يمين، ولعل أفضل حديث يمكن أن أسوقه لك هو سبب نزول آية من القرآن تبيح اغتصاب ملك اليمين حتى لو كانت متزوجة قبل سبيها.
    صحيح مسلم حديث رقم 3681
    عَنْ أَبِى سَعِيدٍ الْخُدْرِىِّ أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ -صلى الله عليه وسلم- يَوْمَ حُنَيْنٍ بَعَثَ جَيْشًا إِلَى أَوْطَاسٍ فَلَقُوا عَدُوًّا فَقَاتَلُوهُمْ فَظَهَرُوا عَلَيْهِمْ وَأَصَابُوا لَهُمْ سَبَايَا فَكَأَنَّ نَاسًا مِنْ أَصْحَابِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ -صلى الله عليه وسلم- تَحَرَّجُوا مِنْ غِشْيَانِهِنَّ مِنْ أَجْلِ أَزْوَاجِهِنَّ مِنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ فَأَنْزَلَ اللَّهُ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ فِى ذَلِكَ ( وَالْمُحْصَنَاتُ مِنَ النِّسَاءِ إِلاَّ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ) أَىْ فَهُنَّ لَكُمْ حَلاَلٌ إِذَا انْقَضَتْ عِدَّتُهُنَّ.

    تحياتي
  • Re: I need some help
     Reply #7 - January 02, 2011, 05:11 AM

    جزيل الشكر اخ سالم على هذه الاجابه المفصلة

    جزاك الله خيرا ومنحك حسن العاقبة  grin12
  • Re: I need some help
     Reply #8 - January 02, 2011, 05:37 PM

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    Jews as pigs and apes

    well in these modern times when these words are drilled in to Muslim kids from 2 to 30years of age  on televisions  day in and day out.,  even if it is not mentioned in Quran directly, what do we expect??  millions of Muslims will grow up with that idea..
     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQERHieZHcg

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxU7HEsS2V0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NvybWC6qic

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhbHVEGnYD8

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNzA1N77FZc

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hpc_-5WsXI

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    005.060
    YUSUFALI: Say: "Shall I point out to you something much worse than this, (as judged) by the treatment it received from Allah? those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, those of whom some He transformed into apes and swine, those who worshipped evil;- these are (many times) worse in rank, and far more astray from the even path!"
    PICKTHAL: Shall I tell thee of a worse (case) than theirs for retribution with Allah? (Worse is the case of him) whom Allah hath cursed, him on whom His wrath hath fallen and of whose sort Allah hath turned some to apes and swine, and who serveth idols. Such are in worse plight and further astray from the plain road.
    SHAKIR: Say: Shall I inform you of (him who is) worse than this in retribution from Allah? (Worse is he) whom Allah has cursed and brought His wrath upon, and of whom He made apes and swine, and he who served the Shaitan; these are worse in place and more erring from the straight path.


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: I need some help
     Reply #9 - January 02, 2011, 05:47 PM

    I have been discussing Islam and atheism on an Iraqi forum and I need the number of the verses from the Quran that:

    1-condemn Jews as pigs and apes
    2-allow Muslim soldiers to take women POWs as slaves and have forced sex with them

    I'm sure Aya no.1 exists but not sure about the 2nd one. If there isn't, is there a Hadith that is along the same lines?

    search for pigs & war in my blog for the sources

    My Book     news002       
    My Blog  pccoffee
  • Re: I need some help
     Reply #10 - January 02, 2011, 05:53 PM

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    2-allow Muslim soldiers to take women POWs as slaves and have forced sex with them


    Quote
    023.006
    YUSUFALI: Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame,
    PICKTHAL: Save from their wives or the (slaves) that their right hands possess, for then they are not blameworthy,
    SHAKIR: Except before their mates or those whom their right hands possess, for they surely are not blameable,


    Quote
    033.050
    YUSUFALI: O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
    PICKTHAL: O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war, and the daughters of thine uncle on the father's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the father's side, and the daughters of thine uncle on the mother's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the mother's side who emigrated with thee, and a believing woman if she give herself unto the Prophet and the Prophet desire to ask her in marriage - a privilege for thee only, not for the (rest of) believers - We are Aware of that which We enjoined upon them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess - that thou mayst be free from blame, for Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.
    SHAKIR: O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her-- specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

    Quote
    070.030
    YUSUFALI: Except with their wives and the (captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (then) they are not to be blamed,
    PICKTHAL: Save with their wives and those whom their right hands possess, for thus they are not blameworthy;
    SHAKIR: Except in the case of their wives or those whom their right hands possess-- for these surely are not to be blamed,


    STUPID JUNK., repeatedly thrown around wherever they like.. The book has NO head and NO tail..  never ending junk...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: I need some help
     Reply #11 - January 02, 2011, 10:36 PM

    Thanks for your input everyone.  Smiley
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