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  • Re: The Astronomy Thread
     Reply #30 - January 21, 2011, 03:18 PM

    Does that mean even people on equator can't see the ring?

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  • Re: The Astronomy Thread
     Reply #31 - January 21, 2011, 03:21 PM

    Yup. That is assuming anyone could actually survive there. The gravity is way more than ours, the atmospheric pressure is crushing, and there's no actual surface as such untill you get way down.

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  • Re: The Astronomy Thread
     Reply #32 - January 21, 2011, 05:20 PM

    The gravity is way more than ours.


    The gravity on Saturn is less than the gravity here on Earth. Saturn's is gravity is almost 92% that of Earth. So, if a person weighs a 100 kg here on Earth, they'd weigh 92 kg on Saturn. Sure, it has way more mass than Earth, ~95 times more than Earth, but its radius is larger, too.
  • Re: The Astronomy Thread
     Reply #33 - January 21, 2011, 05:31 PM

    someone 100 kg on earth will remain 100 kg everywhere, because it is actually mass not weight.. Smiley

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  • Re: The Astronomy Thread
     Reply #34 - January 21, 2011, 05:38 PM

    I never said the quantity of mass will change. I was trying to make an analogy of how the gravitational pull of Saturn is different than that of Earth.
  • Re: The Astronomy Thread
     Reply #35 - January 21, 2011, 05:39 PM

    The gravity on Saturn is less than the gravity here on Earth. Saturn's is gravity is almost 92% that of Earth. So, if a person weighs a 100 kg here on Earth, they'd weigh 92 kg on Saturn. Sure, it has way more mass than Earth, ~95 times more than Earth, but its radius is larger, too.

    Depends where you are. If you're down on the solid surface, which is a long way down...................

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  • Re: The Astronomy Thread
     Reply #36 - January 21, 2011, 05:39 PM

    I never said the quantity of mass will change. I was trying to make an analogy of how the gravitational pull of Saturn is different than that of Earth.

    Smiley Don't worry, I was just pulling your leg..

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  • Re: The Astronomy Thread
     Reply #37 - January 21, 2011, 07:25 PM

    Depends where you are. If you're down on the solid surface, which is a long way down...................


    A long way down doesn't have much to do with it. If anything the gravitational force decreases as you get closer to the centre of mass. There would be tremendous pressure the further you go down, but there wouldn't be much increase in the force of gravity. It is a rather complicated thing.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpOHZc6cDIw&feature=player_embedded

    So, Earth is like that black hole. And Saturn is like that star on the right.
  • Re: The Astronomy Thread
     Reply #38 - January 26, 2011, 05:47 PM

    Hubble Finds Most Distant Object Ever Seen in Universe

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8Q698X03W0

    Astronomers have pushed NASA's Hubble Space Telescope to its limits by finding what they believe is the most distant, ancient object ever seen in the universe. Its light traveled 13.2 billion years to reach Hubble, roughly 150 million years longer than the previous record holder. The age of the universe is 13.7 billion years. The dim object is a tiny, compact galaxy of blue stars that existed 480 million years after the big bang, only four percent of the universe's current age. It is so small, more than one hundred similarly-sized mini-galaxies would be needed to make up our Milky Way.

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  • Re: The Astronomy Thread
     Reply #39 - January 26, 2011, 07:15 PM

    Hubble Finds Most Distant Object Ever Seen in Universe

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8Q698X03W0

    Astronomers have pushed NASA's Hubble Space Telescope to its limits by finding what they believe is the most distant, ancient object ever seen in the universe. Its light traveled 13.2 billion years to reach Hubble, roughly 150 million years longer than the previous record holder. The age of the universe is 13.7 billion years. The dim object is a tiny, compact galaxy of blue stars that existed 480 million years after the big bang, only four percent of the universe's current age. It is so small, more than one hundred similarly-sized mini-galaxies would be needed to make up our Milky Way.


    That's awesome! Hubble is amazing. It's pushing back the time we think the first galaxies were being born further and further. All of this fits nicely into our standard cosmological model. They compared the previous record holder with this one, it showed that the rate of star formation increased in just 150 million years. Both of the galaxies were found in the Hubble Ultra Deep Field. So there's a lot of science coming from just one amazing picture.

    Just wait till JWST gets here. It can see right through reionistaion era. It will tell us more about such galaxies and it just might see the first stars that were born. http://www.nasa.gov/externalflash/webb_hubble/ grin12
  • Re: The Astronomy Thread
     Reply #40 - January 26, 2011, 08:01 PM

    That's awesome! Hubble is amazing.

    +1 its like a window into our universe

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  • Re: The Astronomy Thread
     Reply #41 - January 26, 2011, 11:36 PM

    this is freaking awesome!!

    http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/01/solar-sail-unfurls/

    After a month and a half trapped in its mothership, NASA’s NanoSail-D spacecraft has finally unfurled the first solar sail to circle the Earth.

    Solar sails, gossamer-thin sheets that feel the pressure of the solar wind, have been suggested as a best hope for propelling spacecraft between the stars. They’re the only known method of space travel that doesn’t require carrying heavy fuel on the journey.

    But solar sails have had a checkered history. Only one has ever actually worked: the Japanese IKAROS spacecraft, which launched in 2009 and flew by Venus in 2010.

    NanoSail-D looked set to be another heartbreak. It launched aboard the Fastsat (Fast, Affordable Science and Technology SATellite) in November 2010, along with five other experiments. A spring was supposed to push the breadbox-sized NanoSail-D probe into its own orbit. But when the time came, the probe got stuck.


    To everyone’s surprise, NanoSail-D spontaneously ejected itself on Jan. 17. Engineers still don’t entirely know why.

    Three days later, on Jan. 20 at 10 p.m. EST, the free-flying spacecraft unfurled its silvery sail. An onboard timer activated a wire burner, which cut a 50-pound fishing line holding the spacecraft’s panels closed. Within seconds, the thin polymer sheet unrolled into a sail 10 square meters in area.

    “This is tremendous news and the first time NASA has deployed a solar sail in low-Earth orbit,” said NASA engineer Dean Alhorn in a press release. “To get to this point is an incredible accomplishment for our small team.”

    The successful unfurling was confirmed from the ground with the help of amateur ham radio enthusiasts, who continue to track NanoSail-D.

    Rather than soar between the stars, NanoSail-D was designed to help clean up space junk. As the sail orbits, it skims the top of the atmosphere, experiencing enough drag to pull the sail back to Earth in 70 to 120 days.

    If it works to clean up the clutter in low-Earth orbit, drag sails might become a standard issue on future satellites, pulling them out of the sky to disintegrate harmlessly in the atmosphere.

    Skywatchers should be able to track and photograph NanoSail-D before it returns to Earth. Stay tuned for details.

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  • Re: The Astronomy Thread
     Reply #42 - February 03, 2011, 05:31 AM

    Kepler has found more than 700 exoplanets, but the results were held last year to confirm many of the discovered bodies. That set of data will be released later this year.


    KEPLER RELEASES FIRST LARGE DATA SET!

    They have finally released the dataset I was talking about. I'll break it down now. grin12

    First, a little about the mission, The Kepler spacecraft is a mission launched in March 2009 which was designed to search for small exoplanets by measuring almost constantly the brightness of more than 156,000 stars in a small patch of the sky. The 0.95m-telescope is able to detect a dip in the light coming from the host stars which could be due to the transit of an exoplanet passing between its star and us, like the Moon passes between the Earth and the Sun during a solar eclipse. When this happens it can give us a direct estimate of the size and orbit of the eoxplanet.

    The Kepler mission has released 1,200 exoplanet candidates from data collected with the Kepler spacecraft around 150 days of observation time. This marks a new age in astronomy, there will be before and after Kepler era.  

    The Kepler team released the data from the first 150 or so days of operation. A careful statistical analysis done by the team concludes that 80-90% of these candidates are probably real. The total count of explanets currently contains 519 exoplanets which were discovered over 15 years of observations. In almost 4 months of operation, the Kepler mission has found 1,200 exoplanets!

    Many of these exoplanets orbit around smaller and cooler stars than our Sun. The surface temperature of the exoplanets could allow liquid water to exist on these planets. In their paper, the Kepler team lists ~60 candidates with sizes ranging from Earth-size to larger than that of Jupiter which are in the Habitability Zone of their host star. This is one of the most extraordinary results of this survey! If we wish to find Earth-like planets with water on them, we need to look for exoplanets in the Habitability Zone, an area which isn't too hot or too cold for water to exist on the surface of these exoplanets. This zone is also called the Goldilocks Zone.

    With these results, we can now say that stars in the Milky Way galaxy are more likely to have small exoplanets since 70% of the exoplanets discovered are smaller than Neptune, with a peak of exoplanets only 2-3 times larger than Earth. Using model predictions the team calculated that 6% of the stars in our Milky Way have Earth and super-Earth size exoplanets. Since the Milky Way has around ~200 billion stas, that makes it ~12,000,000,000 stars with Earth-like planets!

    The Kepler mission is still in operation and collecting new data. In a few years time, we can expect to have a more accurate and complete catalogue, which might contain smaller exoplanets, exoplanets orbiting further from their host star and even the exomoons of these exoplanets. Different groups of astronomers are now going to go through the catalogue and study the vast variety of worlds found. We can expect a lot of exciting news in the coming weeks. To start it off, here's a very cool mini solar system [http://tinyurl.com/6jwqdtb], with a lot more still to come.

    If you go out tonight, take the time out to look at the sky and think that among the 2,500 stars that you can see with the naked eye, a third of them may have an exoplanet. Worlds which might be very different or very similar to ours, what kind of worlds can you think of? There are a lot of interesting worlds out there, now we just need to explore them.

  • Re: The Astronomy Thread
     Reply #43 - February 16, 2011, 06:10 PM

    So J whats your opinon on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyche_%28planet%29




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  • Re: The Astronomy Thread
     Reply #44 - February 17, 2011, 12:06 AM

    There's not much to say about this, the idea of a planet orbiting in the Oort cloud isn't new. The data supporting the existence of this particular planet is inconclusive at the moment. What would confirm the existence of such a planet is a direct observation. If a planet exists that far out in the Solar System, chances are that it might be warm and emit light in infrared.

    WISE (Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer) just completed its survey of the entire Solar System, so if such a planet exists and it's warm, then it's possible that it will show up in the data collected with WISE. It's possible that it might exist and it's too dim to be seen by WISE. If it's seen by WISE then, it exists. If not, then it narrows down the areas we should be searching in and puts an upper limit to what the planet might be like.

    Right now, we just don't know if such a planet exists. Having read their paper, I think data supporting this planet is weak and inconclusive. The evidence is there, but it's not significant enough to say that such a planet exists. If it does exist, the astronomers say in their paper that it should be seen in the WISE data. So, we'll have to wait for that until we can say anything about this planet.

    One more thing, it isn't related to any of that 2012 nonsense. If confirmed, such a planet poses no significant danger to Earth.
  • Re: The Astronomy Thread
     Reply #45 - February 17, 2011, 12:37 AM

    There's not much to say about this, the idea of a planet orbiting in the Oort cloud isn't new. The data supporting the existence of this particular planet is inconclusive at the moment. What would confirm the existence of such a planet is a direct observation. If a planet exists that far out in the Solar System, chances are that it might be warm and emit light in infrared.

    WISE (Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer) just completed its survey of the entire Solar System, so if such a planet exists and it's warm, then it's possible that it will show up in the data collected with WISE. It's possible that it might exist and it's too dim to be seen by WISE. If it's seen by WISE then, it exists. If not, then it narrows down the areas we should be searching in and puts an upper limit to what the planet might be like.

    Right now, we just don't know if such a planet exists. Having read their paper, I think data supporting this planet is weak and inconclusive. The evidence is there, but it's not significant enough to say that such a planet exists. If it does exist, the astronomers say in their paper that it should be seen in the WISE data. So, we'll have to wait for that until we can say anything about this planet.

    One more thing, it isn't related to any of that 2012 nonsense. If confirmed, such a planet poses no significant danger to Earth.



    speaking of if which it amazes how so many people beleive in that bullshit. Sereiously even our physics teacher beleives in it >__>.

    Also since your in pakistan you might be getting the same responce but has there been time where you were asked what's your hobby or what you like to do ? and your awnser was astronomy and then the person asks cool tell me whats my lucky number?
    So many people confuse astronomy with astrology here :/.




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  • Re: The Astronomy Thread
     Reply #46 - March 05, 2011, 01:39 PM


    Click the image to see in high-res.

    Here is a nice picture of M63, it's 37 million light years away. This picture is taken in infrared by the Spitzer Space Telescope. Dust shines better in infrared than stars. So all you can see of the galaxy is just dust, almost all of the stars are filtered out. It's just pure cosmic dust.
  • Re: The Astronomy Thread
     Reply #47 - March 05, 2011, 03:34 PM

    someone 100 kg on earth will remain 100 kg everywhere, because it is actually mass not weight.. Smiley

    Ah the good old physics principles that used to hurt my brain lol. Remind me why that is so again, Muddy?

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  • Re: The Astronomy Thread
     Reply #48 - March 05, 2011, 04:16 PM

    w = mg
    (weight) = (mass) x (gravity)

    gravity on earth is 9.8 meters per second.

    On weighing scales, it shows you the mass, although it does measure your weight and show you the mass according to the gravity of earth. But you take the same weighing scale and use it on the moon, it will give different result.

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  • Re: The Astronomy Thread
     Reply #49 - March 30, 2011, 01:04 PM

    Almost 2 weeks ago MESSENGER — which stands for MErcury Surface, Space ENvironment, GEochemistry and Ranging — became the first spacecraft to orbit Mercury, and now it's sent back the first image it took since it started orbiting the dinky planet.


    To see the full res picture, click here.

    I love this image!  grin12

    The surface is beautifully marked with small impact craters. The scale of this picture is 2.7km per pixel. Unlike Earth, Mercury isn't protected by a thick atmosphere, so even the tiniest space junk can easily make it to the surface.

    The dominant rayed crater in the upper portion of the image is Debussy, and the smaller crater Matabei with unusual dark rays is visible to the west of Debussy. The bottom portion of this image near Mercury’s south pole is new territory, with MESSENGER being the first spacecraft to image this region of Mercury.

    MESSENGER has taken 363 additional images which are being sent back to Earth right now.

    Not much is known about Mercury, MESSSENGER is the first spacecraft designed to study Mercury in detail. MESSENGER will continue to unlock the secrets of Mercury in the coming years.
  • Re: The Astronomy Thread
     Reply #50 - March 30, 2011, 07:20 PM

    Awesome.

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  • Re: The Astronomy Thread
     Reply #51 - March 30, 2011, 07:21 PM

    The amazing thing about this spacecraft is that its orbit and its orientation has to be so precise that certain parts of the space craft can never face the sun. If they do they burn and the spacecraft is useless. Allah Hu At Mars !

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  • Re: The Astronomy Thread
     Reply #52 - March 30, 2011, 07:55 PM

    Hey GHD,
    I've just noticed the quote you have by Carl Sagan. I'm currently reading Cosmos and am quite enjoying the read. Can you recommend anything similar/better for when I finish this?

    Hi
  • Re: The Astronomy Thread
     Reply #53 - March 30, 2011, 08:01 PM

    Pale Blue Dot, same author ^
  • Re: The Astronomy Thread
     Reply #54 - March 30, 2011, 08:02 PM

    Hey GHD,
    I've just noticed the quote you have by Carl Sagan. I'm currently reading Cosmos and am quite enjoying the read. Can you recommend anything similar/better for when I finish this?

    What are you reading that for - you should be rote learning The God Delusion for arguments with the Miss Cheesy   (also have you  had a check of my attached blog, that has some stuff you could bring up too)

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  • Re: The Astronomy Thread
     Reply #55 - March 30, 2011, 08:05 PM

    Pale Blue Dot, same author ^




    The spacecraft was a long way from home. I thought it might be a good idea, just after Saturn, to have them take one last glance homeward. From Saturn, the Earth would appear too small for Voyager to make out any detail... our planet would just be a point of light, a lonely 'pixel'. Hardly distinguishable from the many other points of light Voyager would see: nearby planets, far-off suns. But precisely because of the obscurity of our world thus revealed... such a picture might be worth having.

    It had been well-understood by the scientists and philosophers of classical antiquity that the Earth was a mere point in a vast, encompassing cosmos. But no one had ever seen it as such -- here was our first chance, and perhaps also our last, for decades to come.

    So, here they are -- a mosaic of squares laid down on top of the planets, and a background smattering of more distant stars. Because of the reflection of sunlight off the spacecraft the Earth seems to be sitting in a beam of light. As if there was some special significance to this small world... but it's just an accident of geometry and optics.

    There is no sign of humans in this picture. Not our re-working of the Earth's surface, not our machines, not our selves. From this vantage point our obsession with nationalism is nowhere in evidence. We are too small on the scale of worlds; humans are inconsequential, a thin film of life on an obscure and solitary lump of rock and metal.

    Consider again that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us.

    On it, everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "supreme leader", every "superstar", every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there--- on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.

    The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena.

    Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner... how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot.

    Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.

    Like it or not, for the moment, the Earth is where we make our stand.

    It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. It underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the only home we've ever known.

    The pale blue dot.

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  • Re: The Astronomy Thread
     Reply #56 - March 30, 2011, 08:09 PM

    Thanks prince and islame.

    Islame, will check your blog. Have been meaning to look into yours, hassan & Rats stuff for a while now, but keep getting distracted by porn and football. Btw, I'm still struggling to cope with yesterdays revelation that you actually wore platforms at one stage.

    Hi
  • Re: The Astronomy Thread
     Reply #57 - March 30, 2011, 08:25 PM

    Thanks prince and islame.

    Islame, will check your blog. Have been meaning to look into yours, hassan & Rats stuff for a while now, but keep getting distracted by porn and football.


    You really should  get through all of that sstuff, your wife wont know what hit her.  She will not be able to answer,  & although she may not agree with your position, she will gain a new found respect for it.  Are you both on speaking terms atm


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    I'm still struggling to cope with yesterdays revelation that you actually wore platforms at one stage.

    Huh? Come again?


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  • Re: The Astronomy Thread
     Reply #58 - March 30, 2011, 08:38 PM

    I think I already know too much for her to handle. Thanks, btw, your pionter to humanism 6 months ago really helped. Even though she didn't admit it, I could see that she respected the fact that I wasn't an immoral anarchist just because I didn't follow allah's rules.

    I thought you mentioned platforms when you commented on the smiths song yesterday. Must have misread. Thank god.

    Enough digression? Cheetah will be storming in here soon, telling us off, if I keep talking about my wife during astronomy class.

    Hi
  • Re: The Astronomy Thread
     Reply #59 - March 30, 2011, 08:58 PM

    the depressing smiths song about Bangali in Platforms, song about a Bangladeshi Immigrant  in the UK waiting at a train station - perhaps you havent heard it

    I think I already know too much for her to handle.

    to make any headway its always good to have actual stuff from Quran & Quranic literature - provided youve got that, then thats cool

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